Carrying spare on roofrack

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Hi wondering how people get there spare on top of roofrack and then get down .Dam heavy things 17inch rims with AT tyres.Also whats the safest way of tying them down .I have steel cage style pretty heavy duty very solid ..cheers
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Reply By: Top End Az - Sunday, Jan 24, 2016 at 15:32

Sunday, Jan 24, 2016 at 15:32
I have a ute, canopy and roof rack. The 17 inch is a heavy hugger. I drop my tailgate, lift it on there, and then standing on the tailgate I then lift it from there to the rack. This is followed by a visit to the chiropractor.
I secure it with a j-bolt which hooks and catches onto the rack, and the bolt threads through one of the wheel nut holes. I think it cost about $25 at TJM.
I have never had the spare come loose on a couple of 8-11,000km trips both on and offroad. In my opinion they are better than ratchets although there is nothing wrong with this approach either. Just remember to tension it occasionally as they do work loose sometimes on rough tracks
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Follow Up By: The Explorer - Sunday, Jan 24, 2016 at 16:36

Sunday, Jan 24, 2016 at 16:36
Yeah that's what I more or less do - lift it onto the top of the spare tyre on back door of the Prado then more of less slide it up and onto the roof rack from there i.e. I dont lift it the entire way. So if you can get it up there in stages so as not to blow a valve.

I also use a "J" bolt (Rhino Rack version). Has never come close to working loose. Use to zip tie the wing nut so it couldn't work loose but last few times haven't bothered - just tighten it properly the first time.

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Reply By: Bob Y. - Qld - Sunday, Jan 24, 2016 at 15:33

Sunday, Jan 24, 2016 at 15:33
If you Google "roof rack tyre mounts", Steve, there's a number of photos to give you an idea.

I like the idea of the strap below. Light, and no risk of spare getting out from under the straps. Seen them advertised somewhere.........think they wanted at least one kidney for it.



There's a number of others, utilising a 'J' bolt and a fastener, which might be cheaper, but perhaps not as reliable, on rougher roads.

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Follow Up By: Gramps - Sunday, Jan 24, 2016 at 15:51

Sunday, Jan 24, 2016 at 15:51
Bob,


This might be a cheaper alternative

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Follow Up By: Bob Y. - Qld - Sunday, Jan 24, 2016 at 15:56

Sunday, Jan 24, 2016 at 15:56
Now that's the duck's nuts, Gramps. Think that other one was close to $100!!!

Might have to head back to Bunnings myself. :-)
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Follow Up By: Gramps - Sunday, Jan 24, 2016 at 15:58

Sunday, Jan 24, 2016 at 15:58
Hahaha yep, it's been my experience that Rhino products are well named.

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Follow Up By: gbc - Sunday, Jan 24, 2016 at 17:36

Sunday, Jan 24, 2016 at 17:36
Buy some tyre pliers and just carry a carcass.
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Follow Up By: Stephen F2 - Sunday, Jan 24, 2016 at 20:03

Sunday, Jan 24, 2016 at 20:03
Thought of that too but how much extra weight is that gear be worth lookiing into be easy putting tyre up without rim just chuck it up ha ha ha
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Follow Up By: Member - John - Sunday, Jan 24, 2016 at 21:29

Sunday, Jan 24, 2016 at 21:29
G'day, if only carrying a tyre put a tube inside and inflate, keeps the dust and rubbish out. Cheers, John
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Follow Up By: Allan B (Member, SunCoast) - Sunday, Jan 24, 2016 at 23:09

Sunday, Jan 24, 2016 at 23:09
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I use one of those 3 point ratchet straps that Bob showed. Easy to attach and very secure.
Think it came from ARB some years ago.
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Follow Up By: Member - Ups and Downs - Monday, Jan 25, 2016 at 09:11

Monday, Jan 25, 2016 at 09:11
I carried a tube, but not inside the tyre.
The garden hose coiled up nicely in there.
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Follow Up By: Les - PK Ranger - Wednesday, Jan 27, 2016 at 10:51

Wednesday, Jan 27, 2016 at 10:51
Getting back to Bobs post about the three way straps by Rhino.
I have used one of these for numerous trips now, VERY relibale and straps are evenly set for spare wheels, unlike the Grunt (which might be worth a look if very cheap and adaptable).
However, the Rhinow spare wheel strap is way under $100, in fact they are $48 and well worth it . . .
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Follow Up By: Allan B (Member, SunCoast) - Wednesday, Jan 27, 2016 at 11:14

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Mine is made by Just Straps and listed at $35.
Just Straps have a large range of errr, just straps. lol

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Reply By: Mikee5 - Sunday, Jan 24, 2016 at 17:59

Sunday, Jan 24, 2016 at 17:59
Why do you want to?
It raises centre of gravity
it is hard to get up there
if you drop it off the roof it may bounce back into the car (seen that happen)
it is in full sun exposed to uv reducing tyre life
it is hard to check pressure
it puts loading on roof over corrugations
windage increases fuel consumption
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Follow Up By: Member - DingoBlue(WA) - Sunday, Jan 24, 2016 at 19:44

Sunday, Jan 24, 2016 at 19:44
Agree with Mike,
Just fit a dual rear wheel carrier. Why make life difficult?
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Follow Up By: Stephen F2 - Sunday, Jan 24, 2016 at 20:11

Sunday, Jan 24, 2016 at 20:11
Agree but its just a second spare tyre not a new one.Wind resistance fuel usage I not sure it would make that much difference .Fittting wheel carrier on back is not cheap and would not be great for suspension as very heavy plus the wheel.I not like idea of anything on roof but thats my last resort as every soace taken up by othrr gear.The old Landrovers used to have spare on bonnet ..chheers respect what you saying .Its harder travelling with 3 people before on my own stuck spate upright beh8nd passenger seat coup0le occy straps
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Follow Up By: Member - DingoBlue(WA) - Sunday, Jan 24, 2016 at 20:31

Sunday, Jan 24, 2016 at 20:31
It's really irrelevant whether the tyre is new or not, still weigh about the same.
Dual rear wheel carrier and rear bumper fitted approx. $ 1500.00.
Wind resistance and lower fuel economy will be negligible with tyre on roof.
UV exposure will also occur when mounted on rear, probably worse, as top exposed more than bottom. Rubbish bag wheel cover solves the problem.
Load on suspension will be much the same whether on roof or on rear.
How often do you need to check tyre pressure on your spares?
Most 4wd roofs are certified for 200kg loads. Agreed that the less weight on top the less load there will be over corrugations. I regularly carry 100lt water and 100lt fuel on top with recovery gear in Al toolbox with no issues. Vehicle has never fallen over and roof has never collapsed!
Simpson desert, Gunbarrel, CSR, Gibb River, Anne Beadell, Connie Sue and Cape York all from Perth.
You just need to drive to the vehicles capabilities.
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Follow Up By: Stephen F2 - Sunday, Jan 24, 2016 at 21:49

Sunday, Jan 24, 2016 at 21:49
Hiya DingoBlue agree with everything .What 4x4 you driving..I was always Landcriuser fan as worked with them in Simpson.Did Tanami and GRR and Bungle Bungles and Coburg Peninsula with 60 series and 80series Cleb Track and Strezlecki track.All were petrol no mods .Could not afford Diesel.But after driving 2wheel drive Hilux in remote northern Thailand I like the Lux so bought a SR5 .So organising a trip is all new on it .Had in down pay in L.Cruisers and was on my own .Now got son and wife and can n9t take back seats out and ise passenger seat for all my camera gear and clothes.Roofrack only option .Got offered rear wheel carrier for 1400 same guy sold me brand new ARB draw sysrem for 800 should have made deal with him but already got a bloody bargain .Cheers Hope I can emjoy the tracks as seems since 1997 many things have changed far as camping for free especially up the Kimberleys cheers
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Follow Up By: Member - DingoBlue(WA) - Sunday, Jan 24, 2016 at 22:16

Sunday, Jan 24, 2016 at 22:16
,Hi Stephen,
Early travels in 60 series diesel Sahara. Mid life crisis and had to trade the old girl in for a later model.
Now pilot a 105 series diesel with aftermarket turbo and front and rear auto lockers.
Goes anywhere, bit heavy on fuel but good solid tourer.
Kimberley is still ok for free camping. You don't need to listen to the armchair experts, just get your research done before you go.
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Follow Up By: Stephen F2 - Sunday, Jan 24, 2016 at 23:20

Sunday, Jan 24, 2016 at 23:20
So Kimberelys still ok not over run by nice 4x4s.Heard Jacks Waterhole closed that was my favourite co only 5bucks and free kayaks .Also is Mitchell Fslls now NP. When I was there freecamping and some dude setup shonky camp ground up coast from Kalumbaru ,I remember extension cords everywhere some people had huge freezers on back of trailers .I got asked why I not fish I said because it will let some fish live.They were catching many rare species of fish and freezing them .. beautiful.area loved it ...
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Follow Up By: Member - DingoBlue(WA) - Monday, Jan 25, 2016 at 12:51

Monday, Jan 25, 2016 at 12:51
Just pop into the tourist traps and camp elsewhere. Mitchell Falls is a problem as they have a captive market althogh you can sneak off the track along the way.
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Follow Up By: maurice b - Monday, Jan 25, 2016 at 21:41

Monday, Jan 25, 2016 at 21:41
When i helped fit a MCC rear bar to my mates HZJ105 'Same Vehicle as mine'.We weighted the components before hand , 75kg rear bar, 12kg each arms , 52kg each nitto trail grapplers 285x75x16 .tyre on gxl rims and @10 kg codan autotune and mount, total 213 kg . Thats a hell of a lot of weight hanging over the tail end considering we both have the 190litre l/ranger aux tanks /drawers fitted at the rear. In my case even with the gvm upgrade it would put me well overweight when loaded for a remote trip. I will stick to my single kaymar on standard plastic bar and my 2nd 285 x16 fits nicely behind front passenger seat. Image the stress on my chassis with a dual carrier replacement heading to Geosurveys Hill from the colson track
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Follow Up By: Member - DingoBlue(WA) - Monday, Jan 25, 2016 at 22:03

Monday, Jan 25, 2016 at 22:03
Maurice,
Do whatever makes you happy.My experience with dual wheel carriers on both my 60 series and the 105 is that there is absolutely no issues with the chassis, having travelled numerous outback tracks over the past 20 years.
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Reply By: kgarn - Sunday, Jan 24, 2016 at 18:16

Sunday, Jan 24, 2016 at 18:16
The procedure I use is to tie a rope to the wheel, then using a rhino rack ladder or similar, climb up onto the roof rack and pull the wheel up to the roof using the ladder as a ramp. I use a similar process to lower the wheel to the ground. I carry two 17" steel rim spares on top.

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Reply By: Member - backtracks - Sunday, Jan 24, 2016 at 19:29

Sunday, Jan 24, 2016 at 19:29
In reply to mikee5, on trips many people have 2 spares,so the roof is logical. In fact I grimace when I see 2 spares, a jerry or two, steel rear bar an axe and a high lift jack all hanging off the back of a vehicle, but that's just me !
As for lifting on a roof, think I get my son to help, otherwise it's hernia time ,I'll worry about getting it off in the unlikely event I have 2 punctures. Tying down, I just do a bit of a rope Job, I figure as long as it's sitting on a piece of rubber, rubbing through is unlikely.
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Follow Up By: Stephen F2 - Sunday, Jan 24, 2016 at 20:00

Sunday, Jan 24, 2016 at 20:00
Too late for me I am 54 son only 5.5 and already got hernia..ha ha ha
Have to agree all that gear on the back must be hard on suspension and pain everytime you want access back of vehicle.Some also put bike too.I be scared I would back into something or somebody forgetting the extra overhang ..cheers
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Follow Up By: Kevin S - Life Member (QLD) - Sunday, Jan 24, 2016 at 21:47

Sunday, Jan 24, 2016 at 21:47
I'm 76. My son who is 45 puts the tyre, complete with wheel and with a tyre cover on it, on the pack rack for me and doesn't even draw a deep breath. I put it there myself 2 years ago but I think age is catching up a bit.

I have put a permanent floor in my pack rack using that rubber floor matting that fits together like a jigsaw puzzle, secured to the rack bars with cable ties. It also shades the roof of the wagon. I have the same material on the floor of my wagon as well and have used it in the floor of bins and cupboards in my caravan. Works well.

The tyre, secured by 2 ratchet straps, goes on the front and 4 10 litre jerry cans go across the back. All within designed weight tolerance.

I think the rounded front of the tyre probably acts as a bit of a foil to break the wind before it hits the pop top van.

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Follow Up By: Stephen F2 - Sunday, Jan 24, 2016 at 22:08

Sunday, Jan 24, 2016 at 22:08
Thanks Kevin wow good you still go traveling .My ex mum in law always said I was spring chicken compared to her.You make me feel like weak baby chook ha ha ha Like those Challengers but stuck with Toyota Landcruisers just habit.Wanted to buy Dmax but dealer an idiot so bought secondhand Hilux..so I new to them and figuring out how to carry everything to go bush .Sounds good how you did it and any shade is good when bush cheers
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Reply By: Member - backtracks - Sunday, Jan 24, 2016 at 20:12

Sunday, Jan 24, 2016 at 20:12
58 here, YOUNGEST 23 ! Feeling a little smug ! Lol ! Look, I'm a bit contrary , with a cage I would just rope through the rim down to roof rack. But I think I would stick a sheet of rubber between the metal rack and the tyre, just in case there is rubbing. Just a thought .
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Follow Up By: Top End Az - Sunday, Jan 24, 2016 at 20:35

Sunday, Jan 24, 2016 at 20:35
We only have the spare on the roof rack for trips. Around town it comes off. We havent had any rubbing on our recent 11,000 km trip.

Must correct my earlier statement and its a J bolt from Rhino. Never works loose and I mount it forward on the roof rack so it sits on top of the roof rack mounts and this places the weight in between the axles.
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Reply By: TomH - Sunday, Jan 24, 2016 at 20:56

Sunday, Jan 24, 2016 at 20:56
I took the easy way and bought a second hand Kaymar single wheel carrier.

Fitted it myself and also had the HF aerial on it. Did 50,000km and never even got 1 puncture so that was a bit of a waste.

However I sold it for more than I paid for it when we got home so was happy.

Had progressive springs in the rear and so it sat ok was only about 70kg extra including the wheel (41kg)
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Reply By: Allan B (Member, SunCoast) - Sunday, Jan 24, 2016 at 23:24

Sunday, Jan 24, 2016 at 23:24
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Getting the spare way up onto the roof of the Troopy is no mean feat.
I made up a block & tackle arrangement from yachting components. Two pulleys at one end and one at the other for a 3x purchase.
The rope is that thick soft stuff that they use for controlling sails.

Pulls the tyre up the side until it reaches the rack then tie the rope off. Before lifting I have threaded a length of webbing through the bottom of the spare and laid it over the top. By pulling on the webbing the spare rotates over the side of the rack to complete the lift.

I just toss the spare over the side to get it down, but that technique had to be learned.............
The first time the wheel was parallel to the Troopy side and it bounced all over the place. Thought it was coming back up!
Now I aim it to roll in the direction of a ditch or scrubby bush. That works OK.
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Follow Up By: Stephen F2 - Monday, Jan 25, 2016 at 00:04

Monday, Jan 25, 2016 at 00:04
Nice work .Troopy very high but big inside No room for spare inside.I used take seats out of 60 series Wagon and use occy strap behind passenger seat...
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Reply By: Sigmund - Monday, Jan 25, 2016 at 12:28

Monday, Jan 25, 2016 at 12:28
Expecting only to need to do it once or twice I opted for a minimalist solution.

Laid in a fairly lightweight alloy folding step ladder that got carried on the rack alongside the wheel. And it's also well worth making that wheel alloy rather than steel. Quite a difference.

As for the mount .. just a 2-bar roof rack with slots in the rails, then DIY T-bolts holding down a couple of x-bars made out of recycled hardwood flooring. Eye-screws on those bolts for anchors and then a couple of cheap cam-buckle tie-downs cut to length. Didn't budge over two Simpson crossings.
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Reply By: Member - mark D18 - Monday, Jan 25, 2016 at 15:19

Monday, Jan 25, 2016 at 15:19
Stephen
I use a manual boat winch set up near the front of my roof basket to get the spare on the roof of my troopie when I travel remotely. I don't use a wire cable I simply use a good quality rope.
Didn't seem that long ago I could lift it up myself !!

Works for me.

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Reply By: 2517. - Monday, Jan 25, 2016 at 21:32

Monday, Jan 25, 2016 at 21:32
Common way is to wheel it up the bonnet and windscreen then on to the roof rack depending where it is mounted.
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Follow Up By: Member - ACD 1 - Monday, Jan 25, 2016 at 21:52

Monday, Jan 25, 2016 at 21:52
Yep!

That is the way that the "Outback Guru" Russel Coight does it.

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Follow Up By: Stephen F2 - Monday, Jan 25, 2016 at 23:10

Monday, Jan 25, 2016 at 23:10
Hiya 2517 I actually thought of that but wouuld damage bonnet on Hilux ..What about repair tools are they easy to use on alloy rim.Then would only need tyre and no rim cheers
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Follow Up By: Ron N - Wednesday, Jan 27, 2016 at 10:16

Wednesday, Jan 27, 2016 at 10:16
No-one has yet outlined the simplest solution! - get the wife to put the spare up on the roof! [;-)

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Follow Up By: Stephen F2 - Wednesday, Jan 27, 2016 at 13:38

Wednesday, Jan 27, 2016 at 13:38
My first wife from Nepal maybe could have used to carry 60kg on her back.Second wife Thai do you think she could multitask phone in one hand spare tyre in other ..ha ha ha
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Follow Up By: Allan B (Member, SunCoast) - Wednesday, Jan 27, 2016 at 14:37

Wednesday, Jan 27, 2016 at 14:37
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Reply By: Malcom M - Wednesday, Jan 27, 2016 at 07:37

Wednesday, Jan 27, 2016 at 07:37
If you have to have the spare on the roof and want it with the rim fitted, do you have a winch fitted?
Throw the line over the truck and winch the wheel up. Easy enough to fit some ramps/pulleys to avoid rope rub.
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