Trailer Plugs - Round versus Flat
Submitted: Friday, Feb 05, 2016 at 18:11
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Member - mepvic
Greetings all.
About to get ourselves a brand new off road van to replace our camper trailer that has served us
well for many years. Time for a bit more comfort.
Old camper connects to the car via a 7 pin round plug. New caravan I think comes with a 7 pin flat plug although I am sure I could get a round plug fitted if necessary as I'm paying.
Is there any major advantage of one over the other? I still need to have access to a round plug system as I borrow a mates old trailer now and then.
So my options are:-
1) Have the van manufacturer fit a round pin plug to the van.
2) Have a flat pin on the van, keep my car round pin and use a round to flat adaptor for the new van. Problem with this option is if the adaptor was taken by someone who wanted it more than me, I would be left with no van brakes.
3) Permanently fix a flat pin under my round pin on the car. Wiring from one to the other is a little difficult but could be done. Would then have outlets on the car for both van and the mates trailer.
4) Replace my round pin on the car with a flat and then make up an adaptor flat to round for when I borrow the mates trailer. Trailer has no brakes so no adaptor would not be too dangerous apart from no lights if it got knocked off. Probably no chance that an adaptor would disappear however on the few occasions I borrow the trailer.
Over to the
forum for merits of flat plugs versus round plugs.
Reply By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Friday, Feb 05, 2016 at 21:27
Friday, Feb 05, 2016 at 21:27
"New caravan I think comes with a 7 pin flat plug "
New caravans these days often come with 12 pin flat plugs and more, so you better ask the question.
Mine came with 12 pin flat (with extra pins required for fridge power, plus Breaksafe system plus fridge power sensing lead, plus Breaksafe battery monitor of you live in NSW),
plus
grey anderson plug for house battery charging
plus a red anderson plug for the van's ALKO ESC
Plus a 4 pin connector for the reversing camera!
Phew!!
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Follow Up By: Roachie Silverado - Friday, Feb 05, 2016 at 21:48
Friday, Feb 05, 2016 at 21:48
Crikey Phil,
By the time you get that lot all plugged in and ready to head off, it'd be time for morning smoko break!!! hahaha
Cheers,
Roachie
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Follow Up By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Friday, Feb 05, 2016 at 23:04
Friday, Feb 05, 2016 at 23:04
Haha yes exactly the way I feel about it too - lots of gadgets but they are all boring!
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Follow Up By: Member - johntoyo - Friday, Feb 05, 2016 at 23:44
Friday, Feb 05, 2016 at 23:44
Yes for me it had to be 12 pin flat, with a 50 amp minimum Anderson to the tug batteries through 6b&s cable. 30amp breakers at the tug battery.
Current drop and poor earths if you use the tug body etc. can be an issue.
Works for me, but we all have our preferences.
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Follow Up By: gbc - Saturday, Feb 06, 2016 at 10:53
Saturday, Feb 06, 2016 at 10:53
12 flat seems to be the new 'standard' in plugs. All our new utes and trailers go that way. I don't see any reason to change and then use adapters.
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Follow Up By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Saturday, Feb 06, 2016 at 17:29
Saturday, Feb 06, 2016 at 17:29
At least with a 12pin flat socket you can plug a 7pin flat plug into it.
And the extra 5 pins are upsized to 35A so you can slip in a decent 8B&S cables (pair up the pos if you like) and you'll be adding an extra earth.
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Reply By: Member - mepvic - Saturday, Feb 06, 2016 at 07:23
Saturday, Feb 06, 2016 at 07:23
Thanks all. Round pin and Anderson plug seems to be the way to go if possible. Will need to
check with the van supplier on what they offer. I think they take power supply for the break away from the Anderson plug. Already have an Anderson plug for charging the camper batteries so will insist on this combination for the caravan if I can. My round pin has the usual trailer lights plus I've wired in a Tekonsha brake controller for the van brakes. Not used a brake controller before so it will be an interesting learning curve.
Going for an AOR Quantum Ken. Expensive but where we go and for our lifestyle will be
well worth the extra $. Had a
Kimberley Kamper for the last 11 years and have done over 120,000K with it. Fantastic unit but a little more comfort on the cold return to Victoria after 3-4 months north will make the life of a Nomad even more enjoyable for my lady and me.
Think option 1 the best. Simple, don't have to worry about piggybacking cables into my existing round pin and don't have the concern of losing an adaptor.
Thanks to all
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Follow Up By: Member - John - Saturday, Feb 06, 2016 at 09:51
Saturday, Feb 06, 2016 at 09:51
G'day, just trying to clear up in my mind the following statement, "Not used a brake controller before so it will be an interesting learning curve." all
Kimberley Kampers have brakes that need a brake controller to work and you have had one for the past 11 years, just doesn't make sense to me................
Cheers,
John
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Follow Up By: Hewy54 - Saturday, Feb 06, 2016 at 11:54
Saturday, Feb 06, 2016 at 11:54
Brake controllers are only if you have electric brakes. Many KK's have hydraulic discs, so no controller needed.
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Follow Up By: Member - John - Saturday, Feb 06, 2016 at 12:01
Saturday, Feb 06, 2016 at 12:01
Hewy, I thought they all KK came with electric brakes, either disc or mechanical.......... Cheers,
John
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Follow Up By: Member - mepvic - Saturday, Feb 06, 2016 at 12:14
Saturday, Feb 06, 2016 at 12:14
Hi
John. Is that why the
Kimberley is hard to stop.
Just kidding. Ours is 11 years old and has hydraulic discs operated manually via an over-ride cylinder. Electric wasn't an option back then. Can get either electric or over-ride on the new
Kimberley
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Follow Up By: Hewy54 - Saturday, Feb 06, 2016 at 13:01
Saturday, Feb 06, 2016 at 13:01
Bought ours in 2011 and had a choice of over ride or electric. Nowdays I think most people opt for electric.
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Follow Up By: Kenell - Saturday, Feb 06, 2016 at 17:40
Saturday, Feb 06, 2016 at 17:40
The AOR Quantum is indeed a nice unit. We have ordered a Lifestyle Reconn after 5 bloody years of relentless searching. Reckon I could have moved to the Quantum with the money I have spent on caravan and camping shows. Think we'll be happy though (at least I will). Might go up a spec next time. Enjoy your new rig.
Ken
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Reply By: Sand Man (SA) - Saturday, Feb 06, 2016 at 07:58
Saturday, Feb 06, 2016 at 07:58
Request the manufacturer to provide a 7 pin flat trailer connector with a separate Anderson connector for the van battery circuit and 12 volt supply via the vehicle alternator.
Then, use a 7 pin flat to 7 pin round adapter to connect to your existing round vehicle socket.
The adapters are readily available from motoring retail stores, like Supercheap, Repco, Autobarn, etc.
There is no real preference for round over flat, but the flat plug/socket arrangement is much easier to wire and repair and is the pseudo standard.
If you "standardised" and changed your vehicle over to a flat 7 pin socket, the adapter can still be used when you borrow your mates trailer.
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Reply By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Saturday, Feb 06, 2016 at 18:01
Saturday, Feb 06, 2016 at 18:01
If you've bought a new AOR Quantum, I'd be very surprised if they had anything except a 12 pin plug, and most likely will have an additional anderson plug just for the battery charging. If so, I don't think you'll have any choice in the matter. They will require you to have the correct wiring on your tow vehicle before they will let you leave with the van. That was the case when I bought my van last year. I asked for a wiring diagram which they happily sent, and did my own wiring.
You need to phone them up, find out and just do what they say. But 12 pin plugs are great. The 5 extra pins are 35A which is more than your large 7pin round plug, and big terminals are a waste when all the lights these days are LED and draw very little current.
There's a lot of extra wires these days on a modern van - Brakesafe, ESC, reversing camera, anderson plug, extra earthing, and maybe an IGN source for a 3-way fridge but I expect the Quantum will be compressor. Its all good, and all serves a purpose, so go with the flow.
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