Suzi vs. Simpson

Submitted: Monday, Apr 18, 2016 at 15:57
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Hi, all a bit new to all this, so bear with me, am contemplating a w - e simpson crossing in 17' with some friends & just wondering about the suitability of their Suzuki wagon for this, not sure of year/ model but its a fairley recent 1 with a 2in lift & soon to be rebooted with slightly bigger rubber. Thoughts?? Cheers Marty.
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Reply By: garrycol - Monday, Apr 18, 2016 at 16:02

Monday, Apr 18, 2016 at 16:02
As a base vehicle really no different than most other proper 4wds - probably a bit better as they go well in sand.

But like all other vehicles they need appropriate preparation and fitting - same aspects as any other 4wd.

Due to their smaller size and load capacity make sure it is not overloaded.

Garry
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Reply By: Member - baldy63 - Monday, Apr 18, 2016 at 16:10

Monday, Apr 18, 2016 at 16:10
Thanks for that, & yes overloading is an issue that will be carefully monitored.....
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Reply By: Tony H15 - Monday, Apr 18, 2016 at 16:45

Monday, Apr 18, 2016 at 16:45
I assume you are talking about a Vitara or Grand Vitara petrol variant. My experience with the Vitara is they like revs, have very little in the way of power and torque down low in the rev range and the low range is quite high when compared to most proper 4x4s. Suzy diesels have a reputation for problems with DPFs.
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Follow Up By: MUZBRY- Life member(Vic) - Monday, Apr 18, 2016 at 19:19

Monday, Apr 18, 2016 at 19:19
Gday Tony
Im a bit slow today, so what is a DPF
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Follow Up By: Michael H9 - Monday, Apr 18, 2016 at 19:26

Monday, Apr 18, 2016 at 19:26
Diesel particulate filter. It clogs up with gunk if you don't give the car a good run on the highway regularly. In newer diesels to do with pollution control.
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Follow Up By: MUZBRY- Life member(Vic) - Monday, Apr 18, 2016 at 20:15

Monday, Apr 18, 2016 at 20:15
Gday
Thanks Michael, i should have known that , but there are a lot of things that are new since i left that trade. Possibly needs a good dose of Add Blue. or cow piss as it was called where i used to work.
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Follow Up By: Member - baldy63 - Monday, Apr 18, 2016 at 22:40

Monday, Apr 18, 2016 at 22:40
Cheers thanks Tony. M
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Follow Up By: Sigmund - Wednesday, Apr 20, 2016 at 09:12

Wednesday, Apr 20, 2016 at 09:12
One Suzi diesel owner at Dalhousie last year said a country dealer had a novel solution to fixing his DPF. Remove and clean out with water from a garden hose!
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Reply By: cookie1 - Monday, Apr 18, 2016 at 17:28

Monday, Apr 18, 2016 at 17:28
Was chatting with the Ranger from Palm Valley many years ago, he did a Simpson Crossing - in a Suzuki so yes it can be done.

Just make sure you have all the prior preparation done including plenty of fuel water & comms and enjoy

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Follow Up By: Member - baldy63 - Monday, Apr 18, 2016 at 22:40

Monday, Apr 18, 2016 at 22:40
Cheers Thanks for that.
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Reply By: Hoyks - Monday, Apr 18, 2016 at 18:18

Monday, Apr 18, 2016 at 18:18
Finding room for enough fuel will be the biggest issue. I had a Sierra and at speed it wasn't the best on fuel, low speed stuff it was a bit better, but the tank size wasn't the best around.
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Follow Up By: Member - baldy63 - Monday, Apr 18, 2016 at 22:44

Monday, Apr 18, 2016 at 22:44
Hi, yeah i understand the fuel issue is the big 1, i'm hoping the long range tank ( 140 ltrs ) on my diesel hilux will be enough for me & i can put 40 ltrs of unleaded on my roof rack for him, maybe more, & maybe even some for me...
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Reply By: Member - Stephen L (Clare SA) - Monday, Apr 18, 2016 at 20:02

Monday, Apr 18, 2016 at 20:02
Hi Baldy

The Simpson is not a hard drive at all, and it comes down to vehicle preperation and driver response.

The Suzi will eat it, but the only issue could be the ability to have enough.

If anyone tells you it will not get through, then they have no idea of the Simpson or how to drive it correctly.

Barnesy from Birdsville Auto set up his sons vehicle for a crossing, .....a two wheel drive VW Beetle. So you can see that any experienced driver can do it when they know what they are doing.



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Follow Up By: Member - baldy63 - Monday, Apr 18, 2016 at 22:48

Monday, Apr 18, 2016 at 22:48
Hi thanks for that, yeah the fuel issue is the big 1, i'm working on my diesel hilux's long range tank ( 140 ltr's ) will be enough for me, & i can put 40 ltrs on my roof for him, maybe more.......
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Reply By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Monday, Apr 18, 2016 at 21:36

Monday, Apr 18, 2016 at 21:36
Have supported others in the past with similar vehicles, and used to take a subaru out there years ago. Issues are:
#1 Clearance - not enough means you bottom out on the centre of the track. These vehicle have independant suspension front and rear and if loaded with lots of extra fuel etc will be left with insufficient clearance. But sounds like they have addressed this with suspension and tyres.
#2 Range - 60 litres is not a lot for petrol vehicle. Need to carry 3 jerry cans, and petrol should not be carried inside the vehicle.
#3 Weight - With 2 people you'll hit the limit. Add 60litres of water, extra spare tyres (nobody carries those odd sizes outback).
The vehicles themselves can do it, but you need a driver and passenger who know how to be frugal, travel light and take a mate who can carry spare water in case you need it.
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Follow Up By: Member - baldy63 - Monday, Apr 18, 2016 at 22:54

Monday, Apr 18, 2016 at 22:54
Hi thanks for that all very usefull. I'm working on my diesel hilux's long range tank ( 140ltrs ) will be enough for me & i can put at least 40 ltrs on my roof for him.... It has been lifted 2in's & is getting slightly bigger rubber, so hoping that will mitigate the worst of its clearance issues...Theres 4 of em 2 adults, & 2 kids & they understand they have to go ultra light.... We'll see, maybe it just dosnt add up....
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Follow Up By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Monday, Apr 18, 2016 at 23:18

Monday, Apr 18, 2016 at 23:18
They will need your assistance. I made the assumption it was petrol because most are, if it was the diesel it might fare better because it will have more range. Vehicle will be packed to the hilt.
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Follow Up By: Member - baldy63 - Monday, Apr 18, 2016 at 23:27

Monday, Apr 18, 2016 at 23:27
Hi, yeah it is the unleaded Vitara, so with my partner & our 2 kids it will be interesting... maybe its just not possible.... or prudent to even try...
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Reply By: Member - John Baas (WA) - Tuesday, Apr 19, 2016 at 01:09

Tuesday, Apr 19, 2016 at 01:09
Hi Baldy.

Hope I haven't missed it in responses above but regardless of make of vehicle...

...tyre pressures are crucial - stay at 15psi, or lower, as conditions require.

Cheers.
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Reply By: HKB Electronics - Tuesday, Apr 19, 2016 at 08:41

Tuesday, Apr 19, 2016 at 08:41
I have a Kia Sportage, one of the early 4X4 models, it is a very capable car like the Suzuki's it will go places my Prado can't with one exception and that is deep ruts, if larger 4X4's have been through and created deep ruts the poor little Kia will drop down in the ruts and be left with its 4 wheels spinning.

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Follow Up By: Sigmund - Wednesday, Apr 20, 2016 at 09:16

Wednesday, Apr 20, 2016 at 09:16
Last year I didn't come across deep ruts but there were lots of moguls on the French line on the standard western approach to the sand ridges. When the sand was soft and dry momentum was needed and so there was lots of bouncing around. That's hard on everything.
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Reply By: Member - rondesron - Wednesday, Apr 20, 2016 at 12:58

Wednesday, Apr 20, 2016 at 12:58
suggest your friends contact these folks north brisbane suzuki 4x4club or the nearest suzuki club to where they live. The people there know how to pack light and still be comfortable.
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