Redundancy – What do you do?

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You know that bloke Murphy and his Law – seemingly he strikes when you least expect it and when he does the proverbial can often “hit the fan” so to speak…

A couple of recent threads on EO had me thinking about redundancy in terms of having a back-up.

When travelling remotely I’ve always considered what items associated with the running of the vehicle or in the “kit” in the back that need to have some sort of back-up in case of failure. In many cases it is easily achieved for little cost outlay, other items require some more thought around the risk, benefit / cost analysis…

And remembering remote doesn’t mean a thousand miles from no-where, it could be within 100-kilometres from one of our major cities

For example, it might be a communications back-up, a Sat-phone is good, but what about a back-up in case that fails you, so maybe a HF Radio. And yes, this is getting into the high end cost range, but highlight the ability to communicate in an emergency is paramount, you may not want to rely on one form only. I use this as an example…

It might be an additional fuel filter in the vehicle’s fuel system, or a box of matches as back-up to your Bic-Lighter – the potential list is endless.

One that prompted me was a discussion on mounting a spare wheel or the roof rack of a vehicle. I use a ratchet strap designed for the job and it works adequately, other suggestions included a J-Bolt arrangement. The chances of either failing would be slim, but having both is an example of building redundancy. Now it could be overkill for sure, but it gives an alternate mount in case one fails or breaks and is achieved for a cost of less than thirty-bucks!

And for sure, there will be those who might take a view that you can’t bullet proof everything, I get that (just to save you posting to tell me that) – but what are some of the things you consider would benefit from a back-up by having some failure redundancy built into it, and how have you achieved this?

Noting, I’m not necessarily thinking of this as a spare item of the same kind, but an alternative to what you have currently that achieves the same outcome…

Cheers, Baz – The Landy
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Reply By: LAZYLUX16 - Friday, Apr 22, 2016 at 10:46

Friday, Apr 22, 2016 at 10:46
Good old strong coat hanger.Buy an 80 series Landcruiser...
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Follow Up By: Baz - The Landy - Friday, Apr 22, 2016 at 12:22

Friday, Apr 22, 2016 at 12:22
I like the idea, but thinking through what it might be backing up in a redundancy sense!


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Reply By: Blown4by - Friday, Apr 22, 2016 at 10:51

Friday, Apr 22, 2016 at 10:51
There is an old saying: "Plan for the worst & hope for the best" So long as you do the first part and not just the second part in isolation (no pun intended) then under most circumstances you will be OK. As you say practicality and cost restricts every eventuality being taken in to account, unless you can afford to have a second back-up vehicle or a helicopter on tap:-)
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Reply By: Frank P (NSW) - Friday, Apr 22, 2016 at 11:53

Friday, Apr 22, 2016 at 11:53
We're worried about GPS failure, so we back them up. We have eight.

One in each of our smartphones - 2
One in each of our tablets - another 2
One in the PLB, another 1
On in the spot tracker, 1 more
One in the in-vehicle navigator. 1
One bluetooth GPS for the laptop - add another.

Is this overkill?

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Follow Up By: Baz - The Landy - Friday, Apr 22, 2016 at 12:24

Friday, Apr 22, 2016 at 12:24
No Frank, but sounding like you might need redundancy in your charging system...!

Cheers, Baz
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Follow Up By: Alloy c/t - Monday, Apr 25, 2016 at 09:49

Monday, Apr 25, 2016 at 09:49
So then you have no BackUP if / when the satellites that GPS relies on fail ??
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Reply By: Ron N - Friday, Apr 22, 2016 at 12:19

Friday, Apr 22, 2016 at 12:19
My backup is the centre small drawer in my toolbox that carries all the little bits and pieces that can get you out of a jam.
Hose clips, pieces of fuel hose, dozens of fittings and adaptors, nuts and bolts and screws and washers, fuse holders, wiring, connectors of all sorts, threaded plugs, and 100 other little items that can get you going when something breaks.
Funnily enough, I've helped out numerous other people by utilising the contents of the drawer, more times than I've needed the contents myself!

Cheers, Ron.
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Follow Up By: Blown4by - Friday, Apr 22, 2016 at 12:31

Friday, Apr 22, 2016 at 12:31
Don't forget the Q Bond and JB Weld. Both cheap and light invaluable products. Oh yeah and the length of tie wire. My Mother used to call it "Cocky's Joy"
Funnily enough, I've helped out numerous other people by utilising the contents of the drawer, more times than I've needed the contents myself!
In all likelihood that is because you had already taken all possible precautions hence you rarely need that emergency first aid kit (vehicle) stuff.
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Reply By: Member - DOZER - Friday, Apr 22, 2016 at 14:16

Friday, Apr 22, 2016 at 14:16
reminds me of a landrover series 2a owner that took a spare rear diff wherever he went...and used it to repair his...due to the extra weight he carried on his std diff....
b4 you bag me out, walk a mile in my shoes, then your a mile away and have my shoes :)

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Follow Up By: Baz - The Landy - Friday, Apr 22, 2016 at 15:15

Friday, Apr 22, 2016 at 15:15
You got to like that story...!

I bought a Toyota 79 Series as redundancy for my three Defenders!

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Follow Up By: Member - ACD 1 - Saturday, Apr 23, 2016 at 17:52

Saturday, Apr 23, 2016 at 17:52
Wow! Who would have thunk it...

Having three defenders fail on you like that Baz.

that really is a run of bad luck LOL

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Reply By: Kenell - Friday, Apr 22, 2016 at 19:54

Friday, Apr 22, 2016 at 19:54
My family call me Noah because I carry 2 of everything as well as a roll of wire and lengths of rope, chain etc. I have even gone to extremes of carrying an Engel in case my Waeco should fail, 2 Coopers to back up my BFGs, and even considered a Nissan in case my Toyo let me down. Of course I am exaggerating - the originals will never let me down. Now lets see how many posts that ignites !!
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Follow Up By: Ron N - Friday, Apr 22, 2016 at 20:23

Friday, Apr 22, 2016 at 20:23
And after all that - the one thing you forgot to pack, is the item that breaks!! LOL

Bunch of mates went up the CSR in 'Cruiser traytops in 1989, and they took nearly everything but the kitchen sink!
Then one mate broke a tie-rod end on his HJ75 - and no-one had thought to pack a tie-rod end! LOL
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Reply By: Gustle - Saturday, Apr 23, 2016 at 16:08

Saturday, Apr 23, 2016 at 16:08
I figure, that being out there is the best backup for a redundant life. :)
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Follow Up By: Baz - The Landy - Sunday, Apr 24, 2016 at 09:04

Sunday, Apr 24, 2016 at 09:04
Very good!

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Reply By: AlbyNSW - Sunday, Apr 24, 2016 at 08:21

Sunday, Apr 24, 2016 at 08:21
Apart from the usual spares and assortment of odd nuts and bolts, wire Etc

I carry two smaller fridges rather than one large one.

Carry my water in two seperate tanks rather than in one big one

Have a spare front and rear shock bolted to my chassis rail

Have one of those small lightweight 2 man tents stowed away in case of main tent problems / failure

Carry a sat phone and a PLB

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Reply By: Malcom M - Monday, Apr 25, 2016 at 08:37

Monday, Apr 25, 2016 at 08:37
Maybe a better question would be to ask who has had issues that could have easily been minimised or solved by the carrying of some object.
Its easy for people to say that nothing has ever gone wrong so carry little but their tune will change when it finally does.
We carry quite a lot of spares & 'stuff' and have had occasion to use them but we have also been thoroughly in the pooh through the lack of something simple.
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Had a steering rack fail by losing all fluid. Did not have steering fluid on board so had to risk total failure of rack and steering pump and keep driving.

Also now carry a sat phone after that trip.
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Follow Up By: Baz - The Landy - Monday, Apr 25, 2016 at 11:11

Monday, Apr 25, 2016 at 11:11
Yes Malcolm, that is along the lines of my thinking here...not necessarily a "duplicate or spare" but another item that we do the same job if called upon...

Cheers, Baz
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Reply By: Member - Ian T6 - Monday, Apr 25, 2016 at 10:05

Monday, Apr 25, 2016 at 10:05
Dont ever try and take a "spare" girlfriend trust me it wont end well!

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