Tyres for a dual cab towing a big van.

Submitted: Tuesday, Aug 23, 2016 at 21:26
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Looking at some new tyres for my Colorado Dual cab. At the moment it looks like BFG T/A K O 2 or Copper A/T 3. Both have a load rating of 120. I am reluctant to purchase either because on reading advise from consumers there are disturbing views regarding warranty from Cooper & BFG (Michelin). I would like opinions from forum members on either tyre OR another brand people towing caravans are using. The BFG's I have on at the moment have worn unevenly and show signs of chipping & are nearly down to the wear bars. The vehicle has been used in rural areas & numerous stone chips on the tub testify to that use. The vehicle has only done 51,000km so at $300+ a tyre for BFG's it is expensive motoring. I can purchase the Cooper's at $275...But nervous about Cooper. Hope to get some good views and thoughts. Thanks Robert..
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Reply By: Member - S MacSkimming - SA - Tuesday, Aug 23, 2016 at 21:58

Tuesday, Aug 23, 2016 at 21:58
Just put my 3rd set of Cooper ST's on. Never had a drama with them. Taken them over some pretty rough terrain , Anne Beadell, Simpson, Binns track etc.
Get great km's out of them but I'm pretty pedantic when it comes to pressures and rotation. Look after them and they will look after you I'm sure.
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Follow Up By: 19738662 - Thursday, Aug 25, 2016 at 11:01

Thursday, Aug 25, 2016 at 11:01
Thanks for your views . Robert
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Reply By: Gronk - Tuesday, Aug 23, 2016 at 22:03

Tuesday, Aug 23, 2016 at 22:03
Just about any major brand in L/T construction will do a good job for you.

Most warranties are not worth the paper they're written on when heading off the tar or away from major towns .

I'm running Hancook Atm's and have heard good things about Toyos, but as said, you won't have much trouble with any major brand.
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Reply By: Frank P (NSW) - Tuesday, Aug 23, 2016 at 22:11

Tuesday, Aug 23, 2016 at 22:11
I had chipping on BFG T/A KOs on my Prado and single axle off road van, but was otherwise happy with them. Always returned with the same 6 I started out with. They never let me down.

I have a new, heavier tug now, a BT50 with a lift. I put BFG T/A KO2s on it. The van still has the KOs. The KO van tyres chipped a bit in the recent 10,000km trip, but the 4 KO2s on the tug DID NOT. And they are wearing dead even.
My conclusion is the compound in the new KO2s has addressed the chipping issue in the BFGs, their main weak point. I wouldn't go past them.

Re your uneven tyre wear on your tug - have you had a suspension lift done, and if so, have you properly addressed wheel alignment issues? I had to install after market adjustable upper control arms to get a proper alignment after my suspension lift in the BT. The lift was a bit over 50mm. Is that something you need to consider?

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Follow Up By: 19738662 - Thursday, Aug 25, 2016 at 10:58

Thursday, Aug 25, 2016 at 10:58
Hi Frank, No suspension lift the vehicle is stock. It was used by the original owner as a business vehicle on farms & properties for rural work & as I mentioned stone chips on the tub & excessive wear on the tyres. I am just concerned as to what my tyre seller feller tells me about these companies & how they treat customers regarding warranty claims. I might go the Cooper A/T 3's as I can get them for $275 each $70 a tyre cheaper than the BFG's & hope I get better mileage than my current BFG's. I think I should as they won't be subjected to the same conditions as the BFG's were subjected to. Thanks again for your views. Robert.
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Follow Up By: Frank P (NSW) - Friday, Aug 26, 2016 at 18:54

Friday, Aug 26, 2016 at 18:54
You're welcome mate.
Good luck with your choice.
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Reply By: Member - Stuart and Gunny - Tuesday, Aug 23, 2016 at 23:02

Tuesday, Aug 23, 2016 at 23:02
Toyos 1300kg load rating and 10 ply plus far cheaper than the others.Based on experience with Toyos and Coopers i would never buy or touch Coopers again.
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Reply By: Member - Stephen L (Clare SA) - Wednesday, Aug 24, 2016 at 07:31

Wednesday, Aug 24, 2016 at 07:31
Hi Robert

Do not overlook the new Toyo A/T 11 Open Country LT. They also have a load rating of 120.

I have put them on my Prado after nearly 10 years of using Bridgstone LT 694 and then the LT 697's

We have only travelled 7000kms on them so far, including some very rough, rocky tracks and night a sign of any wear.

Another thing about my Prado is that it only ever is used for bush trips and not used as a daily run around vehicle.

I do have some older BFG T/A K O on our ultimate camper and on the very same tracks are chipped very badly and was the only reason why I never put them on when I changed over to the new Toyo's



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Follow Up By: Gundarooster - Wednesday, Aug 24, 2016 at 12:40

Wednesday, Aug 24, 2016 at 12:40
I just fitted a set of these Toyo's to my Patrol to replace BFG's. Too early to comment but the research I did before taking the decision was very positive. Cost $285 ea and they feel good around town, will be heading back east on Saturday so expect to have a better feel for the outcome by the time we get home.
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Reply By: gbc - Wednesday, Aug 24, 2016 at 08:50

Wednesday, Aug 24, 2016 at 08:50
I'm on my second set of yoko geolander at12's. The first set was on a Colorado (265 70 r 16). The second set are on the ranger (lt 265 75r 16). The LT's are 123/121R rated and are great for towing. I've had zero chipping from either set and after BF and Coopers it is a welcome relief. I will be buying them again. They are about the perfect tyre for me and when bob Jane has 4 for the price of 3 sales the price is great too.

20 odd pages of reviews here

http://www.yokohama.com.au/Tyres/Geolandar-ATS.aspx
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Follow Up By: 19738662 - Thursday, Aug 25, 2016 at 11:00

Thursday, Aug 25, 2016 at 11:00
Thanks for the reply. Robert
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Reply By: Member - Trevor_H - Wednesday, Aug 24, 2016 at 09:46

Wednesday, Aug 24, 2016 at 09:46
refer to ThreadID: 133184....good current info there.
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Reply By: Stevemcfallan - Wednesday, Aug 24, 2016 at 10:09

Wednesday, Aug 24, 2016 at 10:09
Hi Robert

I have a 2004 rodeo and had the coopers on for the last 150000 still on my second set. They don't get treated nice on the tracks other that making sure pressures are right but plenty of loving at home. - rotations balances...

I tow a small 2t van and have been all over qld with not so much as a single puncture. (Touch wood - I am about to head through western NSW Cameron corner/broken hill...)
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Follow Up By: 19738662 - Wednesday, Aug 24, 2016 at 11:11

Wednesday, Aug 24, 2016 at 11:11
Thanks Steve.
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Reply By: 19738662 - Wednesday, Aug 24, 2016 at 11:12

Wednesday, Aug 24, 2016 at 11:12
Thanks everyone for your comments much appreciated. Robert
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Reply By: The Bantam - Friday, Aug 26, 2016 at 18:20

Friday, Aug 26, 2016 at 18:20
There is much better value to be had outside of the heavily advertised 4wd brands.
The yoko geolanders have a good rep as do the perelli scorpions. I'm running scorpions on my 4wd at the moment .... they have been very good.

Toyo have a good following.

Maxxis make some excelent tyres ..... I've run several sets of the light truck street tyres and never been disapointed which is more than I can say for Goodyear and Dunlop

General are a lesser known US brand that have some respect.

Then you get into some other brands like the Hankook.

If you have money to spare go with the companies that have the big adds and pay the personalities to use their tyres.

otherwise there is a lot of better value to be had.

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Follow Up By: 19738662 - Saturday, Aug 27, 2016 at 09:33

Saturday, Aug 27, 2016 at 09:33
Thanks Bantam for the reply. There are numerous tyre brands out there some good some bad. What I have to decide (hence my posting & questions) which tyre will suit me towing a 2800kg van (Load rating of 118 - 121) & will handle the heat generated by hauling a heavy load & a tyre that will serve me well when not towing. Obviously the tyre seller fella will push his product so posting on forums such as this one will hopefully give me so information from people like me who are or have been towing a big van and what experiences they have had with their tyres. All the best & thanks again. Robert
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Follow Up By: The Bantam - Sunday, Aug 28, 2016 at 12:27

Sunday, Aug 28, 2016 at 12:27
The minimum load rating will be mandated on the vehicle plackard, much of the time that will be a limiting factor in your choices
Starting with tyre size, profile and load rating .... because they are mandatory requirements and often this may limit your choice.

Remember in this day and age all the tyre companies have information on line.

If you are buying reputable new tyres and running correct load for pressure heat should not ever be a problem.
You should have load for pressure tables for whatever tyre you are running and you should weigh your rig loaded.

That said some tyres do not seem to tolerate overloading and under-inflation well.
Some are prone to problems regardless.

I have no time at all for Dunlop and Goodyear light truck tyres. I have seen multiple failures in both.
I've just finished a set of goodyear light trucks that came with a vehicle and I am very much happier to be back on Maxxis on my 2wd.
I had a set of Bridgestome allterains on my current 4wd when I baught it .... unimpressive.

I have not come across anybody with a bad thing to say about the Pirelli Scorpions or the Yokahama Geolanders .... in all terain unless they have been died in the wool other brand prefeerers.

I am nearly finished a set of Scorpions and they are an excelent road tyre, and inspite of what some will tell you they work very well in a variety of conditions off road ...... every 4wd magazine tyre comparo inspite of always favoring Cooper, Micky and BFG has good things to say about both the Scorpion and the Geolander.

While I have not run Maxxis ( Cheng Shin Rubber Company been in the business since 1967) 4wd tyres , I have had about 4 sets of their UE168 light trucks and found them to drive and feel like a passenger tyre which is more than I can say for any light truck I have ever driven except the Michilin .... and not a scrap of trouble.
Maxxis are certainly capable of building a light truck carcase properly and their rubber compounding seems to be as good as any ...... their 4wd tyres seem to be well regarded.

hope this helps
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Reply By: Batt's - Sunday, Aug 28, 2016 at 13:17

Sunday, Aug 28, 2016 at 13:17
I'm currently not towing anything but I have no problem recommending Kumho KL78 A/T. My twin cab patrol is constantly over 2.6t and I have done over 110,000 km on these tyres and they are 3 - 4 mm off the wear marks due for replacement because they are getting slippery in the wet definitely replacing them with the same again. I've had several A/t's over the yrs and BFG would be my other choice they wear well as you know. Every tyre will get chips when you combine rubber and stones and depending on how the vehicle is driven etc some may chip more than others you have to expect that.
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