Geraldton WA Visitors Be Warned.

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Travelling in WA Geraldton today, as a Victorian did not expect to pay to park in a Woolworths car park did shopping ten minutes later returned to car only to find a $75 fine under wiper blades.
BE WARNED YOU HAVE TO PAY IN WOOLWORTHS CAR PARK .
Cheers happy wandering and wild flower hunting.
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Reply By: vk1dx - Tuesday, Sep 06, 2016 at 17:20

Tuesday, Sep 06, 2016 at 17:20
I just spent 30 minutes going around the car parks for Woolworths and other supermarkets etc in Geraldton with google Maps street view and I am sorry to say that the signs were quite hard to miss. Costly lesson my friend.

Phil

PS The date on Google Maps was June 2015.
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Reply By: TomH - Tuesday, Sep 06, 2016 at 17:36

Tuesday, Sep 06, 2016 at 17:36
Was like that in 2009 when we were there. Plenty of signs so no excuse The area of the park we were in had a faulty terminal so had to find another one. A local said they dont take that as an excuse either as it says to do that on the terminal.
If I remember rightly it was not a "Woolworths " exclusive park but a Shopping centre park which just happens to be closest to Woolworths and so they get blamed unfairly

It is actually the Stirling shopping Mall carpark
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Reply By: tazbaz - Tuesday, Sep 06, 2016 at 18:00

Tuesday, Sep 06, 2016 at 18:00
Yet another reason to not shop at Woolworths. Very expensive on more ways than one!
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Follow Up By: Member - ACD 1 - Tuesday, Sep 06, 2016 at 18:24

Tuesday, Sep 06, 2016 at 18:24
Unfortunately, the charging of parking fees is not controlled by the supermarkets.

It is the responsibility of the Shopping Centre Management.

Not saying I agree with it...

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Follow Up By: Nomadic Navara - Tuesday, Sep 06, 2016 at 21:59

Tuesday, Sep 06, 2016 at 21:59
"Unfortunately, the charging of parking fees is not controlled by the supermarkets."

It is exactly the same in the large cities on the eastern coast. We shop in shopping centres where the parking is controlled by the centre management and not the shops. The management is the ones controlling the parking fee.

In other places the local council controls the parking lots around the business centres. Earlier this year I was in Launceston where you pork in council open style of multi story car parks. The multi story ones have boom gates operated by toll tickets. The open parking lots have ticket machines and if you don't feed those then you cop a fine.Ten years ago when we were in Geraldton there were some parking there where we had to pay so there is nothing new about that over there.

I don't think that many posters here have any sympathy for the OP.
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Follow Up By: Member - ACD 1 - Tuesday, Sep 06, 2016 at 22:03

Tuesday, Sep 06, 2016 at 22:03
"where you pork in council open style of multi story car parks."

Geez I'm moving east - we get fined for that here LOL (and parking as well if you're the OP)

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Follow Up By: vk1dx - Wednesday, Sep 07, 2016 at 09:37

Wednesday, Sep 07, 2016 at 09:37
Westfield owns the local shopping centre that we use. 1st two hours are free and all weekend is free.

Peter - Was that pulled pork mate

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Reply By: Bob R4 - Tuesday, Sep 06, 2016 at 21:51

Tuesday, Sep 06, 2016 at 21:51
Vote with your feet.
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Follow Up By: Nomadic Navara - Tuesday, Sep 06, 2016 at 22:01

Tuesday, Sep 06, 2016 at 22:01
Yes, you can shop at IGA out in the boon docks where parking is free.
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Follow Up By: fisho64 - Tuesday, Sep 06, 2016 at 22:21

Tuesday, Sep 06, 2016 at 22:21
Funny thing is, there is Queens IGA not more than 50 meters away, bigger than Woolies and miles of free parking...
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Follow Up By: vk1dx - Wednesday, Sep 07, 2016 at 09:58

Wednesday, Sep 07, 2016 at 09:58
It's 2 hours only for free. But that should be enough to pick up some potatoes and snags.

Phil

Edit: Oops didn't realise you were the same poster as above Fisho
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Follow Up By: Member - Stephen L (Clare SA) - Friday, Sep 09, 2016 at 07:17

Friday, Sep 09, 2016 at 07:17
If we ever get the chance in a town and there is an IGA v Woolies, we always go IGA. Support locals and not Multi national, where you usually get a far wider choice of goods to buy and usually as cheap as the bigger stores and the money stays in the town and not overseas.


Support locals is out Moto



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Follow Up By: Gramps - Friday, Sep 09, 2016 at 14:42

Friday, Sep 09, 2016 at 14:42
"Support locals and not Multi national"

Since when did Woolies become multinational ?

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Follow Up By: TomH - Friday, Sep 09, 2016 at 15:27

Friday, Sep 09, 2016 at 15:27
Since the parent company is South African
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Follow Up By: Zippo - Friday, Sep 09, 2016 at 15:46

Friday, Sep 09, 2016 at 15:46
Tom, I suspect your information source is amiss.

Check here
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Follow Up By: Gramps - Friday, Sep 09, 2016 at 17:28

Friday, Sep 09, 2016 at 17:28
TomH,

Where on Earth do you get the idea that Woolies is Sth African ?

Woolies in Aust is not connected in any way to Woolworths SA, UK or USA. They may have bought out Woolies in NZ though.
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Follow Up By: TomH - Friday, Sep 09, 2016 at 19:19

Friday, Sep 09, 2016 at 19:19
Apologies Woolworth SA now own David Jones
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Follow Up By: fisho64 - Friday, Sep 09, 2016 at 19:57

Friday, Sep 09, 2016 at 19:57
Reckon if they own Woolies NZ, that would clearly make them a "multinational"?
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Follow Up By: Nomadic Navara - Friday, Sep 09, 2016 at 21:29

Friday, Sep 09, 2016 at 21:29
" They may have bought out Woolies in NZ though."

No. They started Wooolies NZ See this link.
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Follow Up By: Gramps - Friday, Sep 09, 2016 at 22:34

Friday, Sep 09, 2016 at 22:34
The original reference to "multi national" was clearly an inference to "foreign multi national" as in "the money stays in the town and not overseas". Woolworths Limited is obviously NOT a foreign multi national.

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Reply By: fisho64 - Tuesday, Sep 06, 2016 at 22:03

Tuesday, Sep 06, 2016 at 22:03
There is free parking next to Stirling Shopping Centre, and only 50 meters away Queens IGA with a massive free parking area.
While I hate to pay for the parking there and so rarely use Woolies, as said if you could miss those signs, you would also miss give way, stop, and speed signs!
Queens IGA (50 meters), Durlacher IGA (400 meters away), Coles (1km away) all have free parking.
If you could even pay for your stuff in there within 10 minutes though your doing well
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Follow Up By: vk1dx - Wednesday, Sep 07, 2016 at 09:56

Wednesday, Sep 07, 2016 at 09:56
Queens IGA has now got 2 hour free parking for customers.

We may get casual with signs when on home turf, but when somewhere new it pays to try and read them twice.

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Follow Up By: fisho64 - Wednesday, Sep 07, 2016 at 12:23

Wednesday, Sep 07, 2016 at 12:23
The difference is though that the IGA one is private and hence CGG can't/don't ticket it.
IGA could tow you away but you'd need to do something pretty extreme for that.
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Reply By: new boy - Tuesday, Sep 06, 2016 at 22:26

Tuesday, Sep 06, 2016 at 22:26
The car park accross the road from Woolies is Council controlled and therefore nothing to do with the shopping centre or it,s tennants plus it,s pretty well sign posted with a machine right at the lights. The centre,s free car park is next door to the building with good access into the shops.
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Reply By: Motherhen - Tuesday, Sep 06, 2016 at 22:53

Tuesday, Sep 06, 2016 at 22:53
I have not seen these pay for parking shoppers car parks in Geraldton, but do not find it unusual. Probably over twenty years ago when shopping in the Bunbury CBD the council car parks were all pay parking. In some towns in our travels, even street parking is pay parking (eg Devonport in Tasmania).

Now at the shopping centre in central Bunbury, car parking, including in the adjacent under cover car park is free for two hours, but you still have to display a ticket. Much better.

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Follow Up By: Murray48 - Thursday, Sep 08, 2016 at 16:49

Thursday, Sep 08, 2016 at 16:49
The carpark in question has had meters since at least the eighties.
If I recall correctly, it may have even been the first carpark in Geraldton to get them.
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Follow Up By: Member - Ups and Downs - Friday, Sep 09, 2016 at 08:48

Friday, Sep 09, 2016 at 08:48
vk1dx states 'We may get casual with signs when on home turf, but when somewhere new it pays to try and read them twice.'

So true. I collected my 1st parking fine recently at the Bunbury CBD car park.
I saw the Free for 2 hours but didn't see the reference to getting a ticket.

Literally there for 10 minutes and came back to a fine of, I think, $30.

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Reply By: marty d - Wednesday, Sep 07, 2016 at 15:05

Wednesday, Sep 07, 2016 at 15:05
The Adelaide city council , like many others practicaly abolished free parking years ago , then kept increasing the prices to a point that now if you don't have to go to the CBD you don't !. Now they are crying about lack of people/shoppers coming to town and have proposed parking happy hours/days to lure business back , to late fella's you've burnt me and theres better options !.
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Reply By: Member - Paul B (WA) - Saturday, Sep 10, 2016 at 19:39

Saturday, Sep 10, 2016 at 19:39
I'm not exactly a young fella any more at 58, but I've been paying for parking for virtually all the 41 years I've been driving. I just don't get the point of this post. Yes, we get charged for parking. We also get charged for fuel and for all sorts of things. Deal with it, move on.
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Reply By: Life Member-Doug T NSW - Sunday, Sep 11, 2016 at 08:44

Sunday, Sep 11, 2016 at 08:44
The Woolworths Supermarket car park here in Orange has a 2 hour limit, City Council inspectors will put a ticket on if you over stay the 2 hours.

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Reply By: The Bantam - Sunday, Sep 11, 2016 at 11:45

Sunday, Sep 11, 2016 at 11:45
Now this raises an interesting point ...... If this is a privately owned carpark ..... it must be noted that private individuals and companies are not legally entitled to levy fines and penalties in Australia, though many will sucessfully try it on.

It is covered by a federal act .... cant remember the name off the top of my head, but it is the xxxx sundry xxxx act, that covers the conduct of many business and government matters.

There is an argument that Local councils are not entitled to levy fines on the basis that they are not recognised as government in the constitution and are in fact private corporations ( or like) ...... but that is a more obtuse argument.

The above does not represent legal advice.

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Follow Up By: Frank P (NSW) - Tuesday, Sep 13, 2016 at 16:45

Tuesday, Sep 13, 2016 at 16:45
I like your line of thinking, Bantam, but I can't afford the lawyer I would need to pursue it. Not for a $30 fine anyway.
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Follow Up By: The Bantam - Tuesday, Sep 13, 2016 at 23:19

Tuesday, Sep 13, 2016 at 23:19
There are a lot of fines and penalties levied both by private companies and governments that would not stand up to a properly framed defence.

Those that are trying this on are depending on both ignorance and the fact that people will not persue the matter.

The whole banking industry got a heavy spanking a little while ago because they where applying punitive penalties on their customers on things like late fees and bounced cheques ..... several of the banks had to refund large sums of money.

There was a thing with towing scams a while back that hit the fan ...... people parking illegally would be towed and charged rediculous sums to get their vehicles back ..... there is still some $#!^ going on with this.

Private individuals and companies are only entitled to charge reasonable costs.

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Reply By: Dean K3 - Sunday, Sep 11, 2016 at 16:21

Sunday, Sep 11, 2016 at 16:21
quite a few shopping centres in WA do this your typically allowed 2 hrs maximum after this you must pay but you still have to obtain a ticket from vending machine.

Victoria park centro is another one I am aware of that has this policy

you probably didn't realise you had to get the ticket otherwise you be ok, ALL public hospitals in perth metro if you don't purchase a ticket its a $2000 fine defaulted to $250ish if you pay up front within 14 days of fine being presented
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Reply By: Echucan Bob - Monday, Sep 12, 2016 at 07:39

Monday, Sep 12, 2016 at 07:39
I am concerned that so many people accept being treated so poorly by so called "authorities". Parking fees are collected to pay for the land and bitumen etc. Parking fines are imposed to discourage people from freeloading. "Authorities" quickly twigged to the fact that fines are a far greater source of revenue than the fees they collect. With no oversight fines can be set at any level and are usually way out of proportion to the magnitude of the "offence". A $76 fine for not paying $1 parking fee? The "authorities" have turned into robber barons and inflict more pain on ordinary citizens than recognised criminals. And before the anal retentives come out and say "if you don't break the rules you don't have a problem" the OP is a perfect example of a person caught out through unfamiliarity with ways of the west. No harm was intended, and they weren't trying to 'save a buck', but cop a fine that would knock a large hole in most people's day. A $30 fine would be fair.
Wake up people, stop councils, state governments, banks etc shafting you. Stop defending their unconscionable, greedy actions.
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Follow Up By: The Bantam - Tuesday, Sep 13, 2016 at 23:27

Tuesday, Sep 13, 2016 at 23:27
Don't get me started ..... look at current traffic enforcement ...... speeding fines are fund raising pure and simple ...... why would anybody push the engineringly rediculous lie that "every K over is a killer" other than to justify fund raising.

If governments where realy concerned about road safety they would have police on the roads actively enforcing a wide range of offences every day ... not just the ones that are easy and cheap to enforce.

Oh yeh and anybody noticed that in QLD at least they have manipulated the penalty thresholds to maximise the return on lower range speeding.

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Reply By: Chorba - Tuesday, Sep 13, 2016 at 16:48

Tuesday, Sep 13, 2016 at 16:48
I got caught in a similar situation in Melbourne a couple of years back ?????
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Reply By: Ron N - Wednesday, Sep 14, 2016 at 22:50

Wednesday, Sep 14, 2016 at 22:50
The OP might want to study up on the information on the site below.

Private car park fines

These car park owners are straight-out rorters, pure and simple. Make their "fine" collection as difficult as possible.

You may be in breach of contract by not paying for your time in the car park, but the contract conditions must be made clear to you upon entry to the car park.

Incidentally, I am very careful of where I park nowadays.

After having been savaged more than once, by the best of the best, as far as vicious councils go (Perth City Council and Subiaco City Council) I am "once-burnt, twice shy".

My best efforts were $100 for parking in a loading zone in the CBD on late Sat afternoon, for all of 5 mins (the vultures were waiting in hiding) - and $50 (quite a few years ago), for parking on the verge at the Perth Royal Show.

Seen people regularly done for $200 for parking in a Clearway after 4:00PM. Not seeing/reading the parking signage, is no excuse.

Cheers, Ron.
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