LC 200 Aux Battery

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As many of you I am a bit unclear on what to do for an AUXILIARY battery for a brand new LC200 V8 Diesel It does come with two batteries... so do you recommend a THIRD battery or splitting the two original ones and running a bigger one for starting. If so which capacity of OPTIMA battery will I need as starting battery ?
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Reply By: Sigmund - Wednesday, Mar 08, 2017 at 07:49

Wednesday, Mar 08, 2017 at 07:49
Do your energy budget first.

How much power do you need to run your appliances?

If you don't start with this I can guarantee you'll either waste money or run out of juice before you want to.
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Reply By: qldcamper - Wednesday, Mar 08, 2017 at 08:45

Wednesday, Mar 08, 2017 at 08:45
Yes you can operate with just one starting battery, but make it the highest CCA rating you can get, close to the combined rating of the two that are in there. Unless you operate in very cold climates a slightly smaller CCA will be ok.

Did a lot of the 100 series that way.

The vehicles are fitted with two batteries with the extremly cold countries in mind, in these countries they are fitted with a 24 volt starter motor and a series parallel solenoid to control the start/charge system.

Just seems a shame to dispose of a pair of brand new high quality batteries.
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Follow Up By: Sigmund - Wednesday, Mar 08, 2017 at 08:59

Wednesday, Mar 08, 2017 at 08:59
Would be worth finding out what kind of battery they are.

Calcium hybrids may be fitted and I gather they may be able to function as deep cyclers too.
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Follow Up By: qldcamper - Wednesday, Mar 08, 2017 at 09:16

Wednesday, Mar 08, 2017 at 09:16
Well worth the exercise but i cant see them being much of an AH capacity 80 at best at a guess.

The battery in my Hilux is 600 and something CCA but only 80 AH in a N70 size case, still going strong at 3 years. Genuine Jap batteries are a far better quality than the same brand sold in oz.

Some of the 100 series owners opted to use one of theirs as an aux but soon upgraded it. Some used just one of them as a start battery, they seem to have lasted longer as a single start battery but i would not recommend doing that.
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Follow Up By: TomH - Wednesday, Mar 08, 2017 at 09:40

Wednesday, Mar 08, 2017 at 09:40
In the 100 ser the batteries were only about 400CCA each and were coupled together. What most did was buy a couple of 650CCA and split them with a Redarc isolator . The R/h one then became the Aux battery and seemed to work for years like that.

I removed the plastic/rubber inner guard panels to give increased airflow under the bonnet to cut the heat down. Seemed to work ok.
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Follow Up By: Member - Boobook - Wednesday, Mar 08, 2017 at 09:54

Wednesday, Mar 08, 2017 at 09:54
Split the batteries, get rid of the 2 smaller factory supplied ones.

The Passengers side will be the starting battery. A century N70ZZXHD or
Supercharge Goldplus MF95D31L-810CCA will do the job. Even an Optima D31 if you like. Lots of other options.
Get something with 750CCA plus.

As to the drivers side. It will fit a D31 size 100 or 110 AH ( 330mm long, and 20mm higher)) if you attack the battery holder with a hammer to allow the extra height. Other wise a normal NZ 70 fits as is. Then a redarc isolator or BCDC 1225 DC to DC to connect the 2 batteries.

IMHO DO NOT go the 3rd battery route.
-Toyota put out a bulletin specifically recommending against it.
-It gets very very hot there
-It only allows for a 70 or less AH battery size
-You have to move a lot of electronics and the fuel filter
-If Toyota or others need to get access behind there, it adds $200 or more to a service.

IMHO the only thing it helps is ARB or Piranha's bottom line.
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Follow Up By: Allan B (Sunshine Coast) - Wednesday, Mar 08, 2017 at 10:19

Wednesday, Mar 08, 2017 at 10:19
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Oh Tony!!!!!!...... "attack the battery holder with a hammer" ???????
On a "brand new LC200"?????

Won't Toyota come and remove the Badges? LOL
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Follow Up By: Juan Esteban G - Wednesday, Mar 08, 2017 at 11:46

Wednesday, Mar 08, 2017 at 11:46
Thanks for the great answers, if it weren't for u guys I do not know what I would do as I am in South America and in my country we do not have many options to work with. But what I have decided to do is to run a Third battery as my auxiliary battery ( I tow a Caravan with a 3 way fridge), plus also run a ARB compressor. There is plenty of room on the laterals of the rear bumper. On one side I plan to build a metal box to hold the battery on the other side I will place the air tank of the compressor. The aux battery will be charged by a BCDC 1225 Redarc. By doing this I will not touch any of the original setup of the LC 200 and I will have the aux next to the back of the truck where I will be running most of my aux. needs, like the fridge. Tks again
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Follow Up By: Member - Boobook - Wednesday, Mar 08, 2017 at 13:20

Wednesday, Mar 08, 2017 at 13:20
Juan

Join LCOOL

www.lcool.org. It can take some time for the mods to get back to you. There are 1000's of 200 owners on that forum. It is very busy with 10 - 20 posts a day just on the 200. There is even a guy who made brackets for dual ARB compressors between the trim and the outer panel in the rear which he has for sale. ( make sure they are the same for LDH)

Lots lots lots.
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Reply By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Wednesday, Mar 08, 2017 at 09:51

Wednesday, Mar 08, 2017 at 09:51
The 2017 VDJ200's now come out with a single 760cca cranking battery. They have finally done away with the twin cranking batteries.

The only model that still gets twin 560cca batteries is the GX.

To split your twin batteries, just upgrade both batteries and isolate them.
The third battery tray is a poor option - it will only take a small battery and you have to move the fuel filter and there are other nice accessories that can use the extra bit of space at the back of the engine bay.

The D31 optima (75Ah 900cca) are a tight squeeze and may require a hammer to fit particularly on the passenger side. They are also 2 cm higher than the standard battery so will need a modified clamp.
The D27F (66Ah, 800cca) should slot straight in (same dimensions as the N70 size battery everyone uses) and has better placed terminals that suit the passengers side cranking battery.
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Reply By: HKB Electronics - Wednesday, Mar 08, 2017 at 10:11

Wednesday, Mar 08, 2017 at 10:11
From personal experience using Optima batteries over an 8 year period I would suggest you keep clear of them.

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Follow Up By: qldcamper - Wednesday, Mar 08, 2017 at 10:36

Wednesday, Mar 08, 2017 at 10:36
details?

According to optima they are the best battery ever produced, but then so is every other battery if you listen to their manufacturers.

An 8 year hands on observation holds more merit than all the bullshit that comes out of a salesmans mouth.

Only real experience i have had with them is in the pilbara where we were replacing the 6 N70zz's in the Busyrus haul trucks with them. The heat and vibration was killing the N70s in weeks, the optimas were lasting several months, their biggest killer was fitters putting too much tension on the hold down clamps and distorting the cases.
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Follow Up By: Member - mechpete - Wednesday, Mar 08, 2017 at 11:44

Wednesday, Mar 08, 2017 at 11:44
we used Optima years ago in Ambulances
an they failed in big numbers an guess what Optima said !!
its not the battery .its the vehicle at fault
well over 100 ambulances in the fleet then
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Follow Up By: Member - Boobook - Wednesday, Mar 08, 2017 at 13:22

Wednesday, Mar 08, 2017 at 13:22
Yes agreed. My experience is that they are over priced average batteries. Even the distributor told me they are no good for deep cycle applications.

After having a few, I won't be buying them again.
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Follow Up By: Allan B (Sunshine Coast) - Wednesday, Mar 08, 2017 at 13:57

Wednesday, Mar 08, 2017 at 13:57
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Often wondered about the Optima's. After all, they are still basically a lead-acid battery but wrapped in a cylinder rather than flat. Of course, some swear by them....... but they have paid the premium price and may need to justify it.
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Follow Up By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Wednesday, Mar 08, 2017 at 19:29

Wednesday, Mar 08, 2017 at 19:29
Bought a blue top Optima in around 2004 to recharge RC battery packs for my son's RC car racing. Charged it using a variable voltage power supply. Later used it for many years as an extra battery in the canopy of the 79series for running fridges on desert trips, and 2 years ago it got put into my daughter's Prado as the aux battery. Tested the capacity of the thing and it was still very good and runs the fridge.

It may have been the last of the Optimas built in the USA. I think manufacturing went to Mexico after that and maybe the quality suffered.
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Follow Up By: Allan B (Sunshine Coast) - Wednesday, Mar 08, 2017 at 19:34

Wednesday, Mar 08, 2017 at 19:34
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My mate put an Optima in his ute.
I wondered where the chilli smell was coming from!
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Follow Up By: HKB Electronics - Thursday, Mar 09, 2017 at 13:47

Thursday, Mar 09, 2017 at 13:47
I have had 3 D27 or over the past 8 years, no deep cycle just using them as crankers, for the first week or so they cranked much better than the original cranker after that slower.

Have a third in the car at the moment looks like it is going the way of the others, friend purchased a yellow top and a blue top he got two years out of them.

If you do some searching around different forums you'll find similar tales of wow.

Phil G's must have been the last of the good ones!

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Follow Up By: ABR - SIDEWINDER - Friday, Mar 10, 2017 at 20:36

Friday, Mar 10, 2017 at 20:36
Agreed stay away from them, I've had no luck using them either. The MRV range is still my battery of choice. Regards Derek.
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Reply By: 2517. - Thursday, Mar 09, 2017 at 21:02

Thursday, Mar 09, 2017 at 21:02
Stay a way from Redarc products they are like Toyota no other company make anything as good as them,rubbish just kept it simple ,batteries are cheap.
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Follow Up By: TomH - Thursday, Mar 09, 2017 at 23:45

Thursday, Mar 09, 2017 at 23:45
How about offering a sensible solution then, rather than just bagging a popular product without any facts to back up your spurious comment.
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Follow Up By: qldcamper - Friday, Mar 10, 2017 at 08:27

Friday, Mar 10, 2017 at 08:27
I bet you own a Jeep.
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Reply By: Member - Robert1660 - Friday, Mar 10, 2017 at 15:02

Friday, Mar 10, 2017 at 15:02
The original Toyota Panasonic batteries are excellent batteries. It is a shame to replace them before they start to show their age. Mine lasted 5 years. At that point I decided to split the batteries using the Redarc Smart Start Isolator. I then used a Projecta Fused Battery Distribution Terminal, BP950P1, on the positive terminals of each battery. These are excellent as they provide a 150A continuous /800A maximum Cal2 fused connection from the battery. There are two other fused terminals,2 x 30 Amp, in the Distribution terminal. This system allowed me to tidy up the battery "spaghetti" that comes from having numerous powered accessories and provides an insulated cover for each terminal. I had a switch installed on the dash that enables the parallel connection of both batteries should the main battery fail of if you are using a winch.
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