Diesel Van Heaters at Hi Altitude & Sub Zero Temperatures
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Member - Allan L2
I recently purchased & installed a diesel heater to our van as we intended to do more winter trips & stop over’s at bush camps. We gave it a few
test runs at
home & all went
well & we were very happy with the results.
It’s the 2nd week in May & its time put it to the
test expecting o/night temperatures of approximately -3 or -4. As we planned to stay 2 nights at
Yarrangobilly Village Camp at an altitude of 1080 metres I rang the technical dept of the heater supplier re the diesel waxing up as Alpine Diesel was not yet available in our area & was advised to mix 1 part kero to 10 parts diesel to void waxing.
We arrived at the
camp site early after lunch, a lovely tidy area by the Yarrangobilly River, the cleanest long drop loo’s I’ve seen (congratulations to the Local National Parks Dept). Once the sun dropped behind the
hill so did the temperature, down to zero by 6 p.m. so cranked up the heater for a comfortable evening. We decided not to let it run all night but to turn it back on as required & attempted this after waking up cold about midnight. The heater refused to fire up & after many attempts we gave up & experienced a rather uncomfortable freezing & sleepless night. Next morning we had no hot or cold water as the pipes had frozen & when I ventured outside once the sun was up & shining (8.30 A.M.) the outside temperature was still only -6 degrees. We decided not to stay the 2nd night & set off at 10.30 hoping all would be ok with the ute fuel but you guessed it, midday before the diesel would pass through the filter.
I can except the ute not running due to low temperatures & lack of “alpine diesel” but am disappointed with the heater as we were lead to believe that the addition of the kero to the heater fuel tank would have solved that issue. The heater is manufactured in Europe & the manual states it is capable of running full time at altitudes of 1500 metres.
I am keen to hear from those that have used a diesel heater at high altitude & sub zero temperatures as to your experiences.
Cheers.
Reply By: Athol W1 - Friday, Jun 09, 2017 at 08:56
Friday, Jun 09, 2017 at 08:56
Allan
I have been using Diesel heaters (Wabasto) in different vans over the past 8 years and I have found that where the tank is fitted out in the weather then you have to do something about winterising the fuel if the overnight temp is expected to fall below about -2.
As we do a fair bit of moving around, and been camped in such
places as the alpine areas, Tumut,
Stanthorpe etc and some of these areas do not carry full winter diesel I have found that up to 10% ULP will do the job. I have also found that after using that mix of fuel in
Stanthorpe and moving on to a more mild, but still cold at around freezing point, the concentration of ULP had to be reduced (by the addition of diesel fuel) as the heater sensed that the furnace was running too hot and shut down.
With my current van the tank is in the boot, and protected from the worst of the elements, and I have not had any waxing issues as yet.
Unfortunately there is no such thing as a one size fits all when it comes to fuel, as there are also different fuel specs for petrol to suit the season and location, and even with LPG if the bottle gets cold enough you will not get any gas out (as the gas you get from a LPG bottle is as a result of the liquid boiling).
We also run our heater continuously from the time of start up (afternoon or evening as required) until no longer required, or breaking
camp, whichever comes first. We have run the heater continuously for a number of days when camped at
Ballandean during winter.
Regards
Athol
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Follow Up By: garrycol - Friday, Jun 09, 2017 at 10:40
Friday, Jun 09, 2017 at 10:40
The trick when travelling to these areas is to leave
home with just enough fuel to get to the areas that carry Alpine Fuel - normally in an area about 200km from the Alpine area from about Anzac Day - then refuel with Alpine Fuel.
Same would apply to other items like diesel heaters.
Yes you need to plan ahead.
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Follow Up By: Member - Allan L2 - Friday, Jun 09, 2017 at 11:06
Friday, Jun 09, 2017 at 11:06
"Yes you need to plan ahead"
Alpine Fuel was not yet available, they were expecting a delivery the following week. That is why I added kero to the heater tank & took a chance with the ute. I figured that if the ute failed to start early in the morning we could at least be warm in the van while waiting the ute to thaw. Not so.
Cheers,
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Follow Up By: Member - Allan L2 - Friday, Jun 09, 2017 at 11:16
Friday, Jun 09, 2017 at 11:16
Hi Athol, does your system incorporate a fuel filter? Apparently some do & other don't. I added one to
mine & was wondering if that may have contributed to the problem.
Cheers.
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Follow Up By: garrycol - Friday, Jun 09, 2017 at 14:01
Friday, Jun 09, 2017 at 14:01
Alpine fuel has been available since late April so maybe you needed to try another garage or another town.
PPPPPP
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Follow Up By: Athol W1 - Friday, Jun 09, 2017 at 16:31
Friday, Jun 09, 2017 at 16:31
Allan
Yes
mine does include a fuel filter.
Regards
Athol
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Reply By: Member - Allan L2 - Monday, Jun 12, 2017 at 18:45
Monday, Jun 12, 2017 at 18:45
Thanks to all those who responded to my post.
After reading your replies, doing some further research on the net & spending some time on phone calls to
Caltex & Shell I’m now a little wiser on the subject. Although the o/night temps were lower than expected, I thought with the addition of the kero all would have been ok but not so. I have come to the following conclusion.
I should have added kero at a ratio of 20% (not 10%) or added an anti waxing additive. I am also not convinced that addition of the fuel filter wasn’t a contributing factor. As the diesel thickened it may
well have restricted the flow that would have otherwise passed through the pipes in sufficient quantity to supply the heater.
Also of possible interest. I spoke to
Caltex technical Dept & they said they had 3 diesel blends, Normal for temps down to zero, Highland for -2 or-3 degrees & Alpine for -5 or -6 degrees. Shell & BP said their Alpine Diesel offered protection down to – 5 or 6. All 3 said extra additives were required for protection below -5/-6.
Don’t take it for granted that Alpine Diesel is available at all towns near Alpine areas. Over the past two days I have enquired at most of the major Servos in Albury & none Stock Alpine Diesel even though
Falls Creek Ski Resort is only 125Km & Mt Hotham 160 Km away.
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