How easy it is

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Just weighed the van and tug, I had nothing in the the tub other than my fridge, dual battery and about 10 kg shelf. So the Dmax has a steel bar and winch with Dyneema rope, canopy and tub liner, 3 alloy roof bars. Then add driver and passenger (140kg) full fuel tank and 200 kg of tow ball down weight. Guess what I can put 110 kg in the back. Lucky I don't have kids to worry about, forget about the Kayaks. Are you overweight ??????
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Reply By: Les - PK Ranger - Sunday, Apr 08, 2018 at 08:14

Sunday, Apr 08, 2018 at 08:14
Thanks for bringing to the the fore again Ken, and a big yes, it's so important to at least be aware of all this, and in your case GCM.

I'm very careful to keep under GVM (and it's not that hard for me) and also load properly.
The tracks I do places a huge stress on the entire vehicle, so don't want loads contributing to getting stuck somewhere with a broken suspension or chassis.

I'm pretty lucky with the PK GVM of 3019kg.
My full desert weight for ~ 7 days, with 225lt fuel and 80lt water, and all gear for two is usually between 2575 and 2630, and quickly decreases even more as we get into the first few days after last fuel.

Before a trip, I take it down to the local bottle / metal recycle yard where I take my recyclables numerous times a year, ask nicely, and they give my set up a quick weight for me :)
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Reply By: IvanTheTerrible - Sunday, Apr 08, 2018 at 08:37

Sunday, Apr 08, 2018 at 08:37
As PK said above. We visit the weigh bridge regularly. A mate got pulled up and weighed at a RTA check setup for 4X4 and caravans about 8 months ago. He was the eleventh 4X4 weighed and the first that was legal. He was told one Cruiser was nearly a tonne overweight
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Follow Up By: mountainman - Sunday, Apr 08, 2018 at 09:40

Sunday, Apr 08, 2018 at 09:40
What do they do if your overweight ?
Fine ??
Or dont let you on the road till your under ?

Manufacturers have alot to answer for !!
Paying decent dollars for vehicles not suited to most customers
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Follow Up By: mountainman - Sunday, Apr 08, 2018 at 09:46

Sunday, Apr 08, 2018 at 09:46
Actually even some of the MR trucks are a problem too
The weight on the front axle is right on the limit
I know of a tipper that had to have 9k spent on it to move the rear diff forward to take some weight off the front axle
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Follow Up By: Gramps - Sunday, Apr 08, 2018 at 14:11

Sunday, Apr 08, 2018 at 14:11
In the case of 4x4s, manufacturers don't force you to install bullbars, brush bars, winches, long range tanks, drawer systems, roof racks, rooftop tents, fridges, fat passengers etc etc.

How can they be held responsible? Fair dinkum , accept responsibility and cut back on some of the crap we tend to carry around or select the correct vehicle in the first place.

Regards
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Follow Up By: ken triton - Sunday, Apr 08, 2018 at 14:35

Sunday, Apr 08, 2018 at 14:35
You are correct, my point is it is so easy to blow out your weights, especially today when there are so many add on accessories to buy. Those extras can add up so quickly. All we can hope is everyone has a think about their weights, safe travelling everyone.
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Reply By: Member - Bigfish - Sunday, Apr 08, 2018 at 12:32

Sunday, Apr 08, 2018 at 12:32
Vin plate on my camper says 1500kg total weight. Went to weighbridge today as I have just installed a boat rack and put a 15 hp 2 stroke ( to save weight--4 stroke too heavy to lug about) along with a new 3.7 quintrex outback tinnie. Total weight came in at 1480 whilst still hooked up to car...ball weight 150kg....So looks like I,m around 100kilo over...bugger...more pruning.
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Follow Up By: brianc - Sunday, Apr 08, 2018 at 14:52

Sunday, Apr 08, 2018 at 14:52
My camper trailer apparently was 480 dry and 750kg (maybe749?)all up, so no brakes were fitted. you could always feel the cruiser being pushed from behind during braking pretty hard, so I bit the bullet and installed brakes last year.
Off the weighbridge to see what I was dealing with - all up with gear, water, gas, spare etc it was 1000kg +/-.
After the mods, which off course added some weight, it was 750kg bone dry! The rig was never 480 in a fit. Not sure how they ever came up with that number.
It is now rated for the full load.
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Reply By: Member - abqaiq - Monday, Apr 09, 2018 at 13:45

Monday, Apr 09, 2018 at 13:45
WHATS IT WEIGH?

There have been a number of articles lately about the weight of vehicles, loaded up for touring. We have travelled the Middle East and African deserts and Australian Outback and are very cognizant of weight as a negative in off road travel. Every day I see articles for more “must have goodies”. We travel very lightly carrying only what we consider prudent. There a number of off-road manuals on what to take and how to handle potential problems: Sadly, many of the better ones are out of print. They had much practical advice -- What is useful and how to prepare a vehicle for severe travel where there will not be any help coming, etc. I reviewed our vehicles and some others that are similar to gauge what people add on, carry or suggest and why with particular attention to weighs. The following is a listing of things I could identify, in kilograms above tare weight. Most are actual measured weights, some from catalogues or an estimate of the difference between the OEM and “upgraded” equipment. I have listed items as single pieces, so if more than one similar item is carried; shackles for instance, multiply the item weight appropriately. This list is based on two people travelling for 4-6 weeks will minimum top-ups for food. Our experience is that for each additional person the food, bedding, shelter, and clothing requirements increase by 50%. Certainly, this list is not complete, but hopefully will provide a starting point for evaluating your equipment needs and gear weights. The objective of keeping weight down is countered by the need to be able to address incidents on the track. Remember, “Vehicle tools and parts stay with the vehicle; they do not go in the house.”

Fuel at 0.8 per L; Bull Bar,10.0; Rear bumper (with wheel carrier),15.0; Second spare tire/rim, 40.0; Front recovery points, 5.0; Roof Rack (Aluminum),35.0; Roof Top Tent,50.0; Interior Roof Rack,8.0; Bed Slide/Drawers,50.0; Awning,28.0; 12,000 Lb winch + Dyneema Rope,20.0; 12,000 Lb winch + Steel Cable,32.0; small LED front light bar,0.2; Oven 12 Volt Marine,1.5; UHF radios,0.2; Battery Isolator [VSR],nil; LiFePO4 Battery-100 A/Hr,13.0; 2nd Lead battery (Deep Cycle),25.0; DCDC Charger,0.2; 500 W inverter, 0.1; Solar Panel 160W/Controller,16.5 ; Air Compressor and tank,9.0; Water pump, 1.2; 90 L Frig/Freezer,30.0; 40 L Frig/ Freezer,17.0; 10 L Frig/Freezer,5.0; Water tanks 40 L,40.0; Sand Ladders – 4,12.0; First Aid Kit (extensive),5.5; PLB, nil; LPG Tank – 3.5 Kg capacity,5.0; Combination wrench set,1.0; Socket Set (1/2” drive),4.9; Small tools,0.2; Hose splicers and clamps,0.2; Jumper Cables (HD),3.6; Motor oil 1L, 0.8; Fluids-Brake/Steering, 1.0; upgraded size tire from OEM, 5.0;Tire Bars,2.6; Air Hose/Gauge,1.5; Sledge Hammer,1.2; Bow Saw,0.1; Fan Belt (set),0.2; Fuel Filters (set),0.6; Radiator Sealant, nil; Fuses/bulbs, nil; Wheel Nuts/Studs+ Misc Bolts,0.8;Tire Tube +Talcum Powder,1.75; Tire Repair Kit,0.85; 2T Hydraulic Jack + 2 extensions,4.5; 2T Mechanical Jack,4.0; Hi-Lift Jack, 14.0; Shovels (long handle and folding),3.04; Snatch Strap,3.05; Load Spreader Strap,0.4; Tree Strap,1.3; Tow strap,2.9; Dyneema Shackle,0.1; Steel D-Shackle, 1.3; Ultra light aluminum snatch block, 0.7; Std. Steel snatch block, 3.0; Line restraint,0.25; Jack Pad,0.1; 2 average persons (F60/M85), 145.0; Frozen Food,50.0; Emergency Food,20.0; Snacks/Drinks,~10.0; Cooking/Eating utensils,10.0; Clothes/Toiletries for two,30.0; Communications/Navigation,0.2; Chairs/Tables for two, 10.0; Bedding, 1.0; Tent Stakes – 6 plastic, 0.2; Storage Box, 4.0; Tow Bar, 25.0; Chainsaw and supplies, 11.0; All the nils added up, 2.0.
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Follow Up By: Member - Bigfish - Monday, Apr 09, 2018 at 16:52

Monday, Apr 09, 2018 at 16:52
Bullbar at 10kg? Steel are around 80kg and alloy 35kg.
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Follow Up By: Ron N - Tuesday, Apr 10, 2018 at 14:03

Tuesday, Apr 10, 2018 at 14:03
A bullbar that only weighs 10kgs wouldn't cope with a poddy calf! LOL

A lot of those weight figures are highly variable, and travellers are best advised to make up a list of "essentials" - then pare those essentials down to only that which is really needed.

I wouldn't mind a dollar for every unnecessary kilo, and unnecessary item, dragged thousands of kms around Australia, and through the Outback by travellers!

I can remember some friends loading up their HJ75 Landcruiser traytop for a trip up the CSR in 1989, and after loading up the 'Cruiser with every "necessity" - and it started to buckle at the knees - they decided to weigh it. It came in at over 3200kgs!
After that shock, there was a lot of soul-searching as to what was defined as a "necessity"!

Cheers, Ron.
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Follow Up By: Member - peter_mcc - Tuesday, Apr 10, 2018 at 14:16

Tuesday, Apr 10, 2018 at 14:16
10kgs extra for the bar? You sometimes take bits off to fit a bullbar. My steel AFN bar on the Prado doesn't weigh 80kgs. No idea how it would go with a poddy calf but it's ok with kangaroos...
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Follow Up By: Member - silkwood - Tuesday, Apr 10, 2018 at 14:18

Tuesday, Apr 10, 2018 at 14:18
"I wouldn't mind a dollar for every unnecessary kilo, and unnecessary item, dragged thousands of kms around Australia, "

My point exactly, but she insists on coming along!
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Follow Up By: Ron N - Tuesday, Apr 10, 2018 at 14:36

Tuesday, Apr 10, 2018 at 14:36
Peter - Most of the items you have to take off to fit a bullbar, hardly weigh anything! - they're all plastic!
Unless you happen to have a truck - and even then, they're currently all plastic, resin and fibreglass materials, and as light as they can make them.

It's been a few decades since I last saw a steel bumper as original fit!
I grabbed a 79 series Cruiser plastic bumper that was sitting in a big box of surplus bullbar-fitment items, at an auction house yesterday, and I was surprised at how light it was.

Cheers, Ron.
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Follow Up By: Member - peter_mcc - Tuesday, Apr 10, 2018 at 14:45

Tuesday, Apr 10, 2018 at 14:45
My Prado had a big steel beam behind the bumper that got removed. The bumper itself, whilst plastic, probably weighed another 10-15kgs. Hardly nothing...
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Follow Up By: Ron N - Tuesday, Apr 10, 2018 at 15:19

Tuesday, Apr 10, 2018 at 15:19
Peter - the Toyota EPC tells me the "Reinforcement Sub-Assy, Front Bumper" (often called the impact beam) for the Prado only weighs 5.8kgs.

There's not much metal in them - I just pulled the rear one off the missus' 2012 Camry, to fit a towbar.

There is also a polystyrene foam "Absorber, Front Bumper Energy" (P/No 5261112190) behind the Prado bumper which weighs 0.11kgs - plus two reinforcements, "Extension, Sub-Assy, Front Bumper" (P/No 5202660011), at 1.1kgs each, making another 2.2kgs.

The Prado plastic bumper itself only weighs 4.5kgs, but it goes to 9kgs if it's the fancy bumper model with chrome additions.

There's also a range of plastic and steel brackets holding all the original Prado bumper arrangement on, none of which would make up any more than a kilo in total weight.

All up, it only just lightens the Prado by a bit over 10kgs when you pull everything off the front to fit a bullbar.

Cheers, Ron.


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Follow Up By: Member - peter_mcc - Tuesday, Apr 10, 2018 at 16:01

Tuesday, Apr 10, 2018 at 16:01
I need to go to the gym more... I could have sworn they were heavier than that.
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Follow Up By: Member - abqaiq - Sunday, Apr 15, 2018 at 08:06

Sunday, Apr 15, 2018 at 08:06
Note I mentioned: OEM and “upgraded” equipment. The weights for say a bullbar are for the upgraded ARB type over the Toyota standard for a 78. So the 10 is additional to standard. The weights are either estimated when I couldn't take the stuff off or more usually actual for things that are loose. This listing just shows how fast weight piles up!
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Follow Up By: Member - Boobook - Sunday, Apr 15, 2018 at 08:48

Sunday, Apr 15, 2018 at 08:48
The front impact bar that comes standard on the Toyota is a rectangular hollow aluminium bar to spread the impact force.It wouldn't weigh much more than a few kgs.
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Reply By: Warren B - Monday, Apr 09, 2018 at 20:39

Monday, Apr 09, 2018 at 20:39
Weights smates it would be nice to hear from somebody who was actually pulled over and checked and fined,instead of my brother inlaws uncles fathers mate. weighed my outfit the other day tug and van GVM 6380kg, Van 3000kg still 200kg in reserve. The tug without the extra 120kg yet to be loaded was on the limit of 3380kg.I don't know what they would do if they pulled me in ? 2 years ago at the Bairnsdale weigh bridge they pulled a caravan in before me and I asked the vic roads guy what the go was and and he just said an education drive and wouldn't give me any other info. Most of the time if the truck is a bit over but the whole outfit is within GVM then they let it through provided the whole unit is clean and looks roadworthy ( my experience ) and you treat them with respect.
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Reply By: ken triton - Tuesday, Apr 10, 2018 at 06:14

Tuesday, Apr 10, 2018 at 06:14
Thank you for all your comments if this helps others to consider their weights then that's great. Safe travells everyone enjoy our great country. Thanks Ken
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Reply By: Crusier 91 - Tuesday, Apr 10, 2018 at 06:31

Tuesday, Apr 10, 2018 at 06:31
You can over come the weight issue with bathroom scales when packing
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