HDJ100R vs VDJ200R used

Submitted: Thursday, Jun 14, 2018 at 14:47
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Hi ladies and (mostly) gents,
long time reader, first time poster.

I am having to upgrade my dear old 82 BJ42, which is primarily just a (trade) work truck, for something larger and more family friendly. I have a 3.5yr old child and there may be another addition one day.
Our other car, a 2016 Subaru outback is not quite big enough for holidays, so if we upgrade mine to BIG, then we can downgrade that to something smaller and more efficient.

I have a bias towards Toyota's and Landcruisers, and towards diesels. I like how diesels drive, I am no lead foot, and I am very apprehensive about owning such a big 4x4 on petrol, and LPG seems to be getting very hard to find.

I contemplated a 70 series in dual cab or wagon, but they seem rather overpriced for what they are, not without some issues, and really probably a bit more utilitarian than I actually need. After owning a 40 for so long I am actually looking forward to some plush creature comforts.

80's seem too old, and still expensive for good TD ones.

Primarily for the reputation of the 1HDFTE I settled on 100 series, and started the long hunt looking for the right one.
I've tested driven a couple.
Budget has been 30-35K.
Have been looking for a later model one, GXL or Sahara, in good condition inside and out, and mechanically A1 (and if Sahara then not the last model one with the AHC suspension).
Reasonable examples almost always seem to have high KMs, and low KM ones are asking so much money in my opinion, and most of them seem to have been set up for heavy towing.

I've also considered a couple of 105 series that have had the 1HDTE swap, but if going that route I would want a super clean and perfect example one, and in the end I think I would be happy with an IFS front end anyway.
I don't go looking for trouble 4-wheeling, I just need it for work and want it for holidaying.

I do a lot of roofrack work (timber and stuff for work), load tools in the back (3rd row seats would be removed) and do only light towing- just a box trailer or a light sailing dingy, and we haul a lot of junk on beach holidays (kayaks, surfboards, etc). Once the daughter is a bit older we aim to get out camping a lot more like we used to but have no plans for a big caravan or really heavy towing.

Last weekend, after strong urging by him, I test drove a friends 2010 GXL VDJ200R and was very impressed by the comfort, driveability, the engine and power and even on nearly bald road oriented tyres the four wheel driving ability in stock form.
That muddied the waters severly.
I've started looking into them a bit more, but even though the prices cross over, getting one of them within my budget or slightly above it, seems to be challenging and I worry about getting a high KM example with that engine...
I've read of early year models burning oil, alternators set too low, fuel sensitivity, big maintenece costs for problems, and so on. But then every model has its issues...


I know these threads (I've researched and read every one I can find) comparing cars and models like this can't tell me which to buy, as most of the really relevant discussion I have found is getting rather old now, I'm hoping for a bit more updated opinions and experiences on this stuff.

How is the reliability and maintenance costs of the VDJ200R's looking, and how many km's would be considered too much/risky to buy one at?
I want efficiency, and I want reliability, and I want reasonable maintenance costs. I want comfort and driver/family pleasure in the thing.

Thoughts and experiences on the 100 vs 200 in todays market in the $30-45-ish range?

Thanks for any replies.
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Reply By: Crusier 91 - Thursday, Jun 14, 2018 at 16:31

Thursday, Jun 14, 2018 at 16:31
Nothing is reasonable in cost these days :) it's what we settle for.
I have a 2004 Kakadu 100 series 1HD-FTE, about to clock over 300000. I'm keeping it and expect to clock 1 million km's.
I had a petrol 80 series prior, I loved it. I love my 100 series now! and i'll probably love my next Toyota 4wd too :)
The 1HD-FTE is the best engine Toyota ever built, my son works for Toyota and every Toyota service technician will tell you the same.
IFS has handled a lot of offroading (I had it strengthened though) I also take good care of her.
The grey nomads predominantly drive the 200 series 2010 onwards. Some admit the 1HD-FTE is a better unit.
Die hards are using Workmates. I thought they were uncomfortable and didn't like the different diff widths (2 different wheel off-sets.....CRAZY)
Go north of the Tropic of Capricorn and its all Toyota country.
The rich are pulling their 3T plus castles with big v8 TD Chevs and V8 TD Fords and that's how these big vans should be pulled.
Regardless which way you decide to go the method of finding the right one is all the same.
Always be prepared to spend a few $$$$ more after purchase.
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Reply By: Robin Miller - Thursday, Jun 14, 2018 at 16:39

Thursday, Jun 14, 2018 at 16:39
We all have our preferences and whats important to us bj

I wouldn't touch the 70 series you mentioned because of very poor roll over angles and consequent saftey issues.

I reviewed the options a few years back and 2 cars came out on top - the diesel 200 series and Patrol petrol 4800.

Close call but I banked the $35000 price difference and have been laughing ever since as running costs of the big petrol actually went down.

Maintenance and reliability are key for me and the big petrols tend to win their espically when fuel quality and health concerns of diesels are taken into account.

I'm doing it again now and 200 series (basic version) has been looking good as 4800 Patrols are no longer buildt)

2 friends have gone with 100 series diesel in excellant condition (Up to $60k) and are very happy.

However a Y62 has come into the family and it eats 200 series for power and ability - its also thirsty, but it looks like running costs are actually lower.

I'm going over it forensically and who knows, so its worth checking out the dark horses to.


Y62 is an 8 seat petrol patrol with and unbelieveable 300kw V8 available new for a lot less than 200 series ($68k).

Also in your price range 2nd hand.

P.S. Y62 has all 4 wheels fully independant and hydrualic suspension on some models (no roll).
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Follow Up By: Gronk - Thursday, Jun 14, 2018 at 22:00

Thursday, Jun 14, 2018 at 22:00
However a Y62 has come into the family and it eats 200 series for power and ability - its also thirsty,



The Y62 has more power...298Kw compared to 200, but less torque...560 compared to 650. Hook up a van and I'd say they were pretty even ?
Ability ??.....must be different to the offroad tests I've ever read.
But you got it right....they are thirsty !! And big.....I thought the 200 was big !!
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Follow Up By: Member - Boobook - Friday, Jun 15, 2018 at 10:06

Friday, Jun 15, 2018 at 10:06
LOL Robin, never say die on the rollover thing huh?

What is the rollover angle of a 70? ( not a Britz one driven by Germans)
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Follow Up By: Robin Miller - Friday, Jun 15, 2018 at 19:22

Friday, Jun 15, 2018 at 19:22
The physics don't change and accidents keep happening Tony.

I haven't gone back to all those posts and links from a few years back so this is from memory.

The basic 70 troppy though was 38.7 degrees from Muarc rollover study with other sources quoting 42 for Prado /44 for 200 series /48 for patrol and other 70 models between 39 - 42

Interestingly I have unable to get any figure for Y62's
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Follow Up By: Greg J1 - Friday, Jun 15, 2018 at 19:29

Friday, Jun 15, 2018 at 19:29
I’ve had 9 70 series over the years robin. Haven’t rolled one yet. Maybe YET is the only word you are interested in !!!
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Follow Up By: mountainman - Friday, Jun 15, 2018 at 20:35

Friday, Jun 15, 2018 at 20:35
His got the patrol disease
Any second he gets he always makes a mention of his patrol
They dont sell many of the petrol patrols now
Soo bit of an odd ball
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Follow Up By: garrycol - Friday, Jun 15, 2018 at 21:03

Friday, Jun 15, 2018 at 21:03
That is why the Y62 is so cheap - no one wants them so they have to give them away.
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Reply By: Member - mark D18 - Thursday, Jun 14, 2018 at 20:00

Thursday, Jun 14, 2018 at 20:00
84.
I have just completed a 7000 km outback trip including the Simpson Desert in a HDJ 100 Landcruiser 5 speed auto (fantastic reputation ) with over 300000 km and it would have to be the best all round large 4x4 on the market .
They are getting old now but if you take your time you should be able to pick a a good one with reasonable ks for about 30 grand.
I did notice a lot of little twin cab utes towing massive vans , so if you ever tow a big van the Hdj100 will tow it well .

Good luck
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Reply By: Member - Boobook - Thursday, Jun 14, 2018 at 21:01

Thursday, Jun 14, 2018 at 21:01
Join LCOOL, there are literally hundreds of owners who have owned both a 100 and a 200, and thousands of 200 OR 100 owners

As a guess, I would say 90 - 95% of the ones that have owned both would say go the 200. 5 - 10% would say go the 100.

There are also about a dozen users who went to a Y62 and a handful of those came back to a 200.

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Follow Up By: rumpig - Thursday, Jun 14, 2018 at 21:12

Thursday, Jun 14, 2018 at 21:12
How many of those have a $35K budget though?

For the OP's budget I'd get a 100...mate sold his nice clean 100 about a year ago with just over 200K on the dial for high 30's, they've come down in price the last few years. He started out at low 40's and got little interest (a few calls but phone didn't ring off the hook), a guy ended up flying from WA to Brisbane that bought it.
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Follow Up By: 84bj42 - Friday, Jun 15, 2018 at 08:29

Friday, Jun 15, 2018 at 08:29
I've tried joining LCOOL quite a few times and it has never worked. Rather complicated and convoluted system of joining a forum if you ask me. Might need to try yet again.
Your guess at the ratio of opinions of 200 and 100 owners is interesting. That was also the strong preference of my friend who made me test drive his 200 (he used to have a 100).

Regarding budget for a 200- I just had another quick look at carsales- there are quite a few within my budget or pushing just over at the asking price, and most seem to be in the 300-400K Km range.
The decent 100's in my budget mostly seem to be in the 200-300K Km range (give or take 50K). The really low KM 100's tend to ask crazy high prices.

Not a lot of difference there really... but rather different engines.
From the reputation of the 1HDFTE I would feel reasonably confident in buying a very tidy well maintained 100 with 250,000 on the clock,
I have no real idea about the sanity of buying a slightly less tidy 200 with 350,000 on the clock.

Off to try LCOOL again.
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Follow Up By: mountainman - Friday, Jun 15, 2018 at 20:41

Friday, Jun 15, 2018 at 20:41
Honestly. .
dont be afraid to try other brands
Even only for a test drive.
Isuzu... Mitsubishi. .

It sort of sounds like a dual cab be a good idea.
At the lower end of the scale you can get a new triton..... dmax for what your going for on the 100series.
Yes
The 1hdfte 100series will serve you very well.
Service costs aren't cheap though !
Look at the whole picture
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Reply By: Member - DOZER - Thursday, Jun 14, 2018 at 22:08

Thursday, Jun 14, 2018 at 22:08
These days, you should be able to back trade to a 100td from your bj42. You wont get a good tt 200 for less than 55k. You will however get a good lexus lx570 for 34k, there are 2 on gumtree at the moment. 1ujfe 5.7 with awesome economy and 6 speed auto
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Follow Up By: 84bj42 - Friday, Jun 15, 2018 at 08:39

Friday, Jun 15, 2018 at 08:39
I have considered posting a 'want to trade' ad on gumtree and seeing if the right person turns up. My BJ42 only has around 130,000 KM on it (I bought it 10 years ago at about 80,000), but like most it has rust.
A scan of asking prices for BJ42's on carsales is very interesting! Lots of dreamers I suspect, but there is always lunatic buyers like this
http://www.loaded4x4.com.au/5978/1980-toyota-land-cruiser-bj-42-sells-at-auction-for-44000/

that is a clean original one, but that much money for front drums and strong arm steering tractor... madness IMO.

I am having a hard time determining value on mine, but it is not ready for sale yet anyway, doing a bit of work tidying things up.

What would you consider a good 200? Buy after certain year? Buy under certain Km's?

I did briefly consider a LX470, and the LX570 certainly seems plush, but I just don't think I can buy a big highly complicated petrol monster like that.
I can't fully justify my bias towards diesel but I can't shake it either.
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Follow Up By: Member - DOZER - Sunday, Jun 17, 2018 at 13:44

Sunday, Jun 17, 2018 at 13:44
ok, I would be looking for a 2012 or later gx with around 100000 kms, you can get them from pickles for 50k, ex government. If you cant afford that, then a 2010 on, as the injectors were changed pre 2010, and the steering rack was braced, the vacuum pump was fixed so the motor didn't use oil....I wouldn't go earlier, as they had too many faults, and would be too higher kms. A set of injectors cost 2500 at Bailies, or 4k installed. Whichever car you want to buy, take it to a diesel mechanic for an injecter feedback test via computer, to see if they are good or going bad.
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Follow Up By: Pepper - Tuesday, Jun 19, 2018 at 04:38

Tuesday, Jun 19, 2018 at 04:38
Dozer what are typical fuel figures for a 5.7 litre v8 ?
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Reply By: Crusier 91 - Friday, Jun 15, 2018 at 22:48

Friday, Jun 15, 2018 at 22:48
BJ,
Just had my cruiser in for a check up after completing the GGR, Kakadu, Bins Track and back down the Oodnadatta.
Worn trailing arm bushes. Toyota don't have replacement bushes so new trailing arms required, estimate: $435 each plus labour.
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Follow Up By: Keith B2 - Sunday, Jun 17, 2018 at 16:52

Sunday, Jun 17, 2018 at 16:52
I had 100 Series bushes pressed out by Pedders and then slipped in Nolathane replacements. The Nolathanes are expensive, but should be a lot cheaper than new trailing arms.
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Reply By: Member - McLaren3030 - Saturday, Jun 16, 2018 at 08:59

Saturday, Jun 16, 2018 at 08:59
Hi 84bj42, if you haven’t already, try looking at the Toyota Australia Web Site at their used car listings, particularly their Toyota Serviced Vehicles. You may get lucky and find what you are looking for. Although, with the price range you are looking at, I think you will find it difficult to get what you want.

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