Illegal 4x4 mods

Submitted: Tuesday, Jul 17, 2018 at 23:14
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As reported today in the on-line ABC-SA news, driver fined and vehicle defected due to illegal mods.

Story here: ABC News

wonder how many others like this are out there?
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Reply By: Candace S. - Tuesday, Jul 17, 2018 at 23:48

Tuesday, Jul 17, 2018 at 23:48
Interesting: "...vehicle standards state that no vehicle can be equipped with any object or fitting not technically essential to the vehicle."

One could argue that nothing added to a vehicle for four-wheeling or camping is "technically essential to the vehicle" ?!
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Reply By: 76lifted - Wednesday, Jul 18, 2018 at 02:19

Wednesday, Jul 18, 2018 at 02:19
I get that the solar panel was an eyesore but was it really worth a yellow sticker or was it just another 700 plus easy dollars to be had to boost the budget.

It barely presents a crash risk as there will be very little damage of any part of the bonnet due to the bullbar.

Also the gas bottle appears to be removable so i hope it wasnt just for that.

It seems i can smell bacon.

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Follow Up By: qldcamper - Wednesday, Jul 18, 2018 at 06:59

Wednesday, Jul 18, 2018 at 06:59
Unbelievable, How can you not see anything wrong with something on the bonnet that can cut pedestrians to pieces if hit and a gas bottle that can get crushed in a minor rear ender.
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Follow Up By: Member - ACD 1 - Wednesday, Jul 18, 2018 at 09:32

Wednesday, Jul 18, 2018 at 09:32
I don't think you are actually reading the information presented in the article. Below is a direct cut and paste.

Key points:

An Adelaide driver has been cautioned after a solar panel and gas bottle were detected on his 4WD
His vehicle was defected by police and it will need to pass an inspection
He also received a fine of $752 for a "mutilated" number plate

He received a CAUTION for the solar panel and gas cylinder.

He received a FINE for the mutilated number plate (which is an offence under all jurisdictions traffic codes)

I think that is pretty fair treatment by the police - if fined for the first two offences, it would have been a much more expensive learning curve for the driver.

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Follow Up By: Shaker - Wednesday, Jul 18, 2018 at 09:36

Wednesday, Jul 18, 2018 at 09:36
He also has to get a RWC, which could cost plenty if he has other illegal mods!

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Follow Up By: Member - ACD 1 - Wednesday, Jul 18, 2018 at 09:51

Wednesday, Jul 18, 2018 at 09:51
Yes! That is a possibility.

But firstly that is not the fault of the police - it would be a direct result of the owners personal choice to make illegal modifications to his vehicle.

Secondly, the owner has the ability to rectify any faults prior to going in for his RWC. If he choose not too - he pays the price!

Modifications are permitted to any vehicle as long as relevant licensing rules are adhered to and the modification is ADR approved. A lot of vehicle owners (not just 4WD owners) choose to run the gauntlet with illegal modifications, their personal choice, so when they get caught the pay the price for their actions.

Laws have two purposes - to protect the innocent and punish the guilty. It is our choice which one we want to be!

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Follow Up By: Kumunara (NT) - Wednesday, Jul 18, 2018 at 12:23

Wednesday, Jul 18, 2018 at 12:23
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Follow Up By: Notso - Wednesday, Jul 18, 2018 at 14:32

Wednesday, Jul 18, 2018 at 14:32
B.L.E.V.E A boiling liquid expanding vapor explosion (BLEVE, /'bl?vi?/ BLEV-ee) is an explosion caused by the rupture of a vessel containing a pressurized liquid that has reached temperatures above its boiling point.
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Follow Up By: Allan B (Sunshine Coast) - Wednesday, Jul 18, 2018 at 16:32

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So, if it is below its boiling point.... is it un-bleveable? lol

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Follow Up By: Kumunara (NT) - Wednesday, Jul 18, 2018 at 16:55

Wednesday, Jul 18, 2018 at 16:55
Allan. I have seen the aftermath of a BLEVE from a 4kg gas bottle. They are something you take care in storing.
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Follow Up By: Allan B (Sunshine Coast) - Wednesday, Jul 18, 2018 at 17:02

Wednesday, Jul 18, 2018 at 17:02
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Kumunara, I have worked in LPG production..... a bit more than 4kg and it is something we took care of in manufacturing too.

But I don't take as much care of my sense of humour. lol



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Reply By: Member - Bigfish - Wednesday, Jul 18, 2018 at 07:52

Wednesday, Jul 18, 2018 at 07:52
Not as stupid as people carrying 20 litre drums of fuel on their roof racks.
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Reply By: Member - DOZER - Wednesday, Jul 18, 2018 at 08:20

Wednesday, Jul 18, 2018 at 08:20
How many of us have seat covers...illegal...car was not complied with them on the seat....sure they are airbag compatable, but this doesnt change the fact that we have made modification to what was presented for compliance by the vehicle manufacturer.....but the difference is they are out of sight, out of mind. You need to use a bit of uncommon sense, my solar panel is on the roof rack.
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Reply By: Mikee5 - Wednesday, Jul 18, 2018 at 08:32

Wednesday, Jul 18, 2018 at 08:32
Did anyone else notice he had failed to remove his removable hitch. Cops missed that one!
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Follow Up By: Shaker - Wednesday, Jul 18, 2018 at 09:47

Wednesday, Jul 18, 2018 at 09:47
If it is mandatory to remove the hitch, then Hayman Reese are leaving themselves wide open.
From their FAQs.......

Do I have to leave the trailer ball mount in the hitch receiver when I am not towing?
The trailer ball mount can be left in the hitch receiver as long as it does not obscure the licence plate. To prevent theft Hayman Reese have a Hitch Pin Lock available which replaces the standard pin and clip. Alternatively you can remove the trailer ball mount and store it in a secure place and use a Hayman Reese hitch box cover to provide a neat finish on the towbar and at the same time stop dirt and water readily getting into the hitch receiver.
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Follow Up By: Batt's - Wednesday, Jul 18, 2018 at 10:20

Wednesday, Jul 18, 2018 at 10:20
I think if you have a removable hitch that "protrudes beyond the body" then you are suppose to remove it because a pedestrian can injure themselves if walking behind the vehicle just like towing mirrors which should be removed when not in use which rarely gets done.
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Follow Up By: Allan B (Sunshine Coast) - Wednesday, Jul 18, 2018 at 13:15

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Bicycle mounts on the vehicle rear are also required to be removed when not in use, but how many are?
One of these days someone is going to lose an eye on one of these hazardous mounts and be successful in a large damages litigation. Maybe then these uncaring people will take heed.

And another thing....... I consider the worst thing on a bull bar is those fishing rod holders. Even when behind the front of the bar they are higher and perfectly positioned to act as a cookie-cutter on an unfortunate pedestrian. They abound in this part of the woods.

But cycling and fishing are such venerable activities aren't they? lol
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Follow Up By: Notso - Wednesday, Jul 18, 2018 at 14:34

Wednesday, Jul 18, 2018 at 14:34
Saw a bloke with his Outboard Motor attached to the Bullbar of his Bus/Motorhome a while back!
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Follow Up By: Member - nick b boab - Thursday, Jul 19, 2018 at 05:52

Thursday, Jul 19, 2018 at 05:52
There's no chance of injury from the tow hitch on his vehicle because there's a a gas bottle in the way .....HAHAHA :)
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Follow Up By: TTTSA - Thursday, Jul 19, 2018 at 08:22

Thursday, Jul 19, 2018 at 08:22
So how does the law deal with the Landrover with the spare wheel mounted to the bonnet, and the shovel as well for that matter?
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Follow Up By: TTTSA - Thursday, Jul 19, 2018 at 08:25

Thursday, Jul 19, 2018 at 08:25
How stupid does all this get, poor pedestrian will walk into my spare wheel before they walk into my tow bar hitch, maybe pedestrian should open their bloody eyes and stop texting while walking.
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Follow Up By: rumpig - Thursday, Jul 19, 2018 at 09:19

Thursday, Jul 19, 2018 at 09:19
Laws are ok with factory fitted items, so the old Landrovers bonnet mounted items are fine....that's an "aftermarket" add on he has done, different rules apply. Many old designs on vehicles wouldn't past modern ADR's.
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Follow Up By: Batt's - Thursday, Jul 19, 2018 at 12:06

Thursday, Jul 19, 2018 at 12:06
Allan I think the anti fishing rod holder idea has been blown up out of proportion over the years by a few anti lobbyist. If someone is stupid enough to walk out in front of a 2 ton or so 4WD in the first place a fishing rod holder would be the last thing on their mind because you would be lucky to survive the impact regardless of what was fitted to the front end even without a bulbar. Yes they should be mounted within the confines of the front of the bullbar but the rest of the hype is mainly another sly angle of trying to completely ban 4WD's form cities etc from those who a too scared to venture beyond their own city limits.

I would like to see a survey done on some of these anti 4WD lobbyist to see if they practice what they preach and only drive small suburban vehicles in the city and not an suv or all wheel drive or V8 etc etc and what sort of weekend activities they participate in like camping fishing etc etc.
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Follow Up By: Allan B (Sunshine Coast) - Thursday, Jul 19, 2018 at 13:18

Thursday, Jul 19, 2018 at 13:18
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You may well be right Batt's but at least you would die with maybe only internal injuries and not be gouged so badly that an open coffin would be out of the question. lol

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Follow Up By: Notso - Thursday, Jul 19, 2018 at 14:20

Thursday, Jul 19, 2018 at 14:20
Not to mention all the flesh extruded through the rod holders and up onto your windscreen.
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Follow Up By: Shaker - Thursday, Jul 19, 2018 at 15:28

Thursday, Jul 19, 2018 at 15:28
I think you’ll find that the fact is that a fishing rod holder will do substantial damage with a low speed impact, hopefully at some stage everybody with them fitted will get booked.
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Follow Up By: Batt's - Thursday, Jul 19, 2018 at 17:51

Thursday, Jul 19, 2018 at 17:51
Pretty negative booking people if their within the legal limits what about pvc of other types of plastic rod holders. You may as well remove headlights spotlights, indicators etc while your at it when they smash against someone's face or body, shatter and cut them to pieces where does it end.

Are there any real statistics out there that show where rod holders have been the primary cause of death or have increased the death rate on our roads.
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Follow Up By: Member - johnat - Monday, Jul 23, 2018 at 21:33

Monday, Jul 23, 2018 at 21:33
The requirement, whether you like it or not, is that there be nothing protruding beyond the original profile of the vehicle.

So ... towballs, rod holders, light bars above the bullbar, driving lights not within the bullbar profile are all illegal.
Argue the toss all you like, but they are illegal, and could end up with a fine if fitted.

The "but it won't hurt anyone" thing is like the "I'm just a few km over the limit and that doesn't hurt anyone" argument! Both are illegal. Ignore the laws at your peril!
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Follow Up By: 9900Eagle - Tuesday, Jul 24, 2018 at 05:02

Tuesday, Jul 24, 2018 at 05:02
I have never seen anything about removing tow hitches. I have seen that they can't stick out dangerously which is a grey area and open to interpretation.

Now I remove mine, but these days many tow bars, hitches and tow balls come factory fitted, so that would make them conform to the original profile of the vehicle.

Just saying.


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Follow Up By: Batt's - Wednesday, Jul 25, 2018 at 00:43

Wednesday, Jul 25, 2018 at 00:43
I don't think there was any direct argument against the legalities of rod holders lights etc mounted illegally in this section johnat.
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Reply By: Member - Outback Gazz - Wednesday, Jul 18, 2018 at 11:24

Wednesday, Jul 18, 2018 at 11:24
How about a $752 fine for pedestrians who walk across a road without looking first - because their eyes are glued to their mobile phone and when they get hit by a 4wd with a bull bar they want bull bars banned because they injure pedestrians ????


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Follow Up By: Notso - Wednesday, Jul 18, 2018 at 14:35

Wednesday, Jul 18, 2018 at 14:35
I have it on good authority, from a magistrate, that it doesn't matter how stupid a pedestrian is, it is still against the law to run over them!
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Follow Up By: RMD - Wednesday, Jul 18, 2018 at 15:11

Wednesday, Jul 18, 2018 at 15:11
Notso
I am developing a phone App which alerts the tender little phone users a BUS is about to hit them. Busses can cause sufficient pain to take their mind off the screen view, if only for a short time.
Should be popular I imagine. With a bit of innovative programming, trains, trucks and cars included in the warning too, for those who can't turn their head to look left and right. Something which is, Fool Proof, is only any good if it safeguards fools.

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Follow Up By: Member - Outback Gazz - Wednesday, Jul 18, 2018 at 19:59

Wednesday, Jul 18, 2018 at 19:59
Hey Notso

Can you ask said magistrate if it's legal for a pedestrian to walk out onto a busy road from between two parked vehicles without looking ??
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Follow Up By: Notso - Wednesday, Jul 18, 2018 at 20:33

Wednesday, Jul 18, 2018 at 20:33
Nah mate, not legal but you still can't run over him. you can use thatas evidence to prove it wasn't reasonably practicable for you to avoid him.
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Reply By: CSeaJay - Thursday, Jul 19, 2018 at 10:04

Thursday, Jul 19, 2018 at 10:04
Whether the solar panel can or cannot harm a pedestrian is a point already discussed.
But how foolish is it to mount a solar panel where it can blind you when travelling west into a setting sun.
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Follow Up By: Batt's - Thursday, Jul 19, 2018 at 12:14

Thursday, Jul 19, 2018 at 12:14
I'm not for that type of panel mounted on a bonnet but do they definitely blind you when mounted on the bonnet have you tested this out as there are a lot of vehicles out there and a great range of angles the bonnet is positioned at. There is a fair amount of glare from the bonnet of most vehicles in general a solar panel may add to it but I haven't tested it myself. Most people also wear sunnies when driving something else to take into account.
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Reply By: CSeaJay - Thursday, Jul 19, 2018 at 14:12

Thursday, Jul 19, 2018 at 14:12
Mate,

Blind Freddy will be blinded sunnies or not, it is like a mirror
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Reply By: Member - Andrew - Thursday, Jul 19, 2018 at 15:56

Thursday, Jul 19, 2018 at 15:56
Bullbar mounted fishing rod holders are a classic example of a poor design being defended without considering why they are an issue.
The reason they can be declared as an illegal fitment is that they are considered a protrusion that could cause great harm to pedestrians. This is no different to lots of other sharp or pointy things you can’t fit to the front of vehicles anymore,
A particular risk is they are often at head height for children and could cause great damage even if just walked (or tripped) into. Something I have seen in road safety policy submissions.
This is the issue that gives the ban everything brigade something to complain about when attacking the attitude of (some) 4 wheel drivers to safety issues.
The well known manufacturers usually attach a label, that says “off road use only” instead of addressing the on-road issue.
A potential fix involves a very minor re-design that would move the mounting bracket to one end of the tubes and allow the whole thing to be mounted further back and under the top tube of the bullbar so that all the sharp bits are masked by the bullbar top tube.
However it appears that the half hours work to resolve the issue by resetting the manufacturing jig is too much effort.

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Follow Up By: Shaker - Thursday, Jul 19, 2018 at 22:22

Thursday, Jul 19, 2018 at 22:22
WHy not just design them with over centre clamps to make them easy to remove & refit? There is no need to drive with them fitted.
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Follow Up By: Allan B (Sunshine Coast) - Thursday, Jul 19, 2018 at 22:35

Thursday, Jul 19, 2018 at 22:35
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Or even require them to be made from rubber.

No harm to the rod & reel or to personal injury.

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Reply By: swampy - Friday, Jul 20, 2018 at 07:28

Friday, Jul 20, 2018 at 07:28
HI
verbal warning for the all these major major ha ha ha items would be enough .


This shows 3 points about our police force
1/ trained like drones /zombies
2/ given NO TRAINING in personal skills and even if they are it does not work . There inter personal skills are sh.t
3/ way to keen on raising money refer point 1

All this training very ineffective signed and approved by some latte sipp`n doosh bag


Technically a modified vehicle is anything that does not comply to ADR rules .
The adr rules have a lot to do with the design .
Other mod rules are still [ VSB? ] are done by a govt dept . Suppose to be the same state to state . This is not the case in reality . Police interpret them differently .

So which one or both ,you could spend decades in court !!!!!
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Follow Up By: 9900Eagle - Friday, Jul 20, 2018 at 08:16

Friday, Jul 20, 2018 at 08:16
Swamp, I don't find the fine incorrect at all.

Anyone that mounts a gas bottle on the back of a vehicle, cuts a number plate in two and mounts a solar panel on his bonnet is rewarded by Darwin.

Have had my fair share of dealings with police, over many years on the road and I have found well over 90 percent are good as gold. If you front them with attitude you will certainly get it back twofold.


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Follow Up By: swampy - Saturday, Jul 21, 2018 at 04:18

Saturday, Jul 21, 2018 at 04:18
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9900Eagle
Rear gas bottle is a temporary fixture /similar to Jerry can holder .
Solar panel leading edge is a concern
Number plate -was it disfiguired to the point of not being able to be read?

Cut in half a bit to far but trimmed there are plenty of plates that have had this done to fit accessories !!!

Always the interpretation -legally modified vehicles the establishment have trouble dealing with . Like I said there mentality and attitude of drones . When a warning would have been acceptable with a follow up .

Believe it or not often ,,to often on very highly modified vehicles the establishment have a totally misguided unqualified legal opinion and book u for it . More than once and does it create a sh.t storm . But u guessed it no appologies . The system is a splatter gun approach and not good enough .
Yes I have a 35 year history with highly modified vehicles .Mildly experienced would be an understatement .
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Reply By: BobR4 - Friday, Jul 20, 2018 at 11:43

Friday, Jul 20, 2018 at 11:43
I seem to recall an article I read some time ago which related to fitting any item to the front of a vehicle which reduces visibility above the bonnet line of the vehicle from the driver's view.
Seems pretty straightforward if my recollection is correct, that a warning was quite lenient.
As for the gas bottle, yikes!
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Follow Up By: Batt's - Wednesday, Jul 25, 2018 at 01:02

Wednesday, Jul 25, 2018 at 01:02
Up to a couple of yrs ago it was perfectly legal to fit items on the front of a vehicle in QLD like spotties on top of a bull bar as long as it didn't impair the drivers vision beyond 11 mtrs in front of the vehicle.
I mounted 2 x 140mm spread beam driving lights on top of my bull bar mine 8 yrs ago and they impaired my vision up to 8.3 mts it was legal until the laws changed.
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Reply By: IvanTheTerrible - Saturday, Jul 21, 2018 at 13:10

Saturday, Jul 21, 2018 at 13:10
So this is legal then!
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Follow Up By: Allan B (Sunshine Coast) - Saturday, Jul 21, 2018 at 13:18

Saturday, Jul 21, 2018 at 13:18
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No, it's clearly not "legal" Ivan.

The car is unattended with the window down more than 50mm.
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Follow Up By: Bob Y. - Qld - Saturday, Jul 21, 2018 at 13:34

Saturday, Jul 21, 2018 at 13:34
It's not a car, but a mobile skate board ramp.

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Follow Up By: Jarse - Monday, Jul 23, 2018 at 13:43

Monday, Jul 23, 2018 at 13:43
Prototype Tesla.....
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Follow Up By: Member - johnat - Monday, Jul 23, 2018 at 21:41

Monday, Jul 23, 2018 at 21:41
And it's not a 4WD! ;)
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Reply By: Ron N - Saturday, Jul 21, 2018 at 18:53

Saturday, Jul 21, 2018 at 18:53
So - the bloke with the Prado with a solar panel was illegal? - but these blokes are completely legal??

World Solar Challenge

No Sir! - No sharp edges or chances of pedestrian injury on my Solar Car, Sir! (insert 'roll-eyes' icon here).

I rest my case, Yer Honour!! [;-)

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Follow Up By: IvanTheTerrible - Saturday, Jul 21, 2018 at 20:36

Saturday, Jul 21, 2018 at 20:36
Do you see a numberplate on them?
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Follow Up By: Ron N - Saturday, Jul 21, 2018 at 20:49

Saturday, Jul 21, 2018 at 20:49
You mean to tell me they are driving UNREGISTERED Solar cars, ON PUBLIC ROADS???

I suppose you'll be saying next, they don't even meet ADR's, either!!

The coppers in S.A. will have a field day! [;-)

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Follow Up By: IvanTheTerrible - Saturday, Jul 21, 2018 at 21:13

Saturday, Jul 21, 2018 at 21:13
Well you might have a while to wait to vent your anger. Next event is Oct next year, 448 days away but if still feel like bitching to somebody, here's their phone number. 08 8212 8500
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Follow Up By: Bazooka - Sunday, Jul 22, 2018 at 16:53

Sunday, Jul 22, 2018 at 16:53
Not to mention those buggers on skinny tyres riding 8 wide on public roads in the Tour Down Under Ron. Lol.
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Follow Up By: 9900Eagle - Monday, Jul 23, 2018 at 05:02

Monday, Jul 23, 2018 at 05:02
Bazooka, Tis the crowd that dishes out the justice to them. Ouch!
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Follow Up By: Bazooka - Monday, Jul 23, 2018 at 12:15

Monday, Jul 23, 2018 at 12:15
Dunno about justice 9900 but the tarmac - and sometimes even barbed wire - certainly deals out some pain (esp in Le Tour) as many of our elite aussie cyclists can attest.
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Follow Up By: Batt's - Wednesday, Jul 25, 2018 at 09:48

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No of course their not legal no rego, headlights, wipers probably no seatbelts in some they would need to be crash tested for their ancap rating etc it's just a solar challenge event which has been around for yrs a well organised event that has permission to use public roads. What they find out with their experimental vehicles would have most probably have helped with the development of future solar techknowledgy, storage batteries, electric drive motors etc.
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