Sand flag advise

Submitted: Monday, May 13, 2019 at 12:09
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About to buy a sand flag.
Having never owned one before I'd like some opinions.
The two I'm looking at both have quick release fittings and are 3 meters long.made up of un-screwable sections.
However one has a spring base and the other is just a solid mount.

My question is - what is peoples experience with spring based flags?
Do they whip around too much to be very effective?

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Reply By: Member - McLaren3030 - Monday, May 13, 2019 at 12:56

Monday, May 13, 2019 at 12:56
Hi Malcom M,

Firstly, to be compliant, sand flags must meet certain specs for height above vehicle, size of flag & configuration of reflective material. Assuming you already know this and are looking at compliant flags, the spring base has an advantage if you are using one where there are overhead objects such as tree branches, as they will absorb some of the “shock” load if they strike an overhead obstacle. As far as “excessive whip” is concerned, I have not found it to be too much of an issue. Yes they move, but this “waving” action as you come close to the top of a sand dune can attract the attention of a vehicle on the other side that may be also getting close to the top.

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Follow Up By: Malcom M - Monday, May 13, 2019 at 13:11

Monday, May 13, 2019 at 13:11
Thanks Macca

Yup. aware of all that.
Thanks for your experience.
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Follow Up By: equinox - Monday, May 13, 2019 at 19:17

Monday, May 13, 2019 at 19:17
Compliant? surely not - there's a standard for sand flags??
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Follow Up By: Bob Y. - Qld - Monday, May 13, 2019 at 19:33

Monday, May 13, 2019 at 19:33
Probably because of the mines, Alan. Can't have a non-compliant flag at Roy Hill, Telfer or wherever, can we?

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Follow Up By: equinox - Monday, May 13, 2019 at 20:01

Monday, May 13, 2019 at 20:01
I guess not Bob, thanks
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Follow Up By: The Explorer - Monday, May 13, 2019 at 21:20

Monday, May 13, 2019 at 21:20
Hello

You would not have to comply with "mine" rules when driving in the desert. Suspect their specs for flags are different (though some overlap). Entry into some government controlled desert regions requires sand/safety flags to certain specs - here is one example..

Safety flags

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Follow Up By: Member - David M (SA) - Tuesday, May 14, 2019 at 09:47

Tuesday, May 14, 2019 at 09:47
Perhaps the compulsory use of a compliant sand flag should be tied to the issuing of permits to transverse these areas.
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Follow Up By: Member - McLaren3030 - Tuesday, May 14, 2019 at 14:59

Tuesday, May 14, 2019 at 14:59
I believe the specs for Sand Flags in the Simpson Desert are the same as what is required for the mines. Certainly the size & configuration of the flag itself is. As far as mounting points, and heights etc. the Desert Parks Pass handbook that comes with your Desert Parks Pass for The Simpson Desert explains all the requirements.

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Reply By: Nacho - Monday, May 13, 2019 at 13:08

Monday, May 13, 2019 at 13:08
We mount either a fishing rod or conduit to the roof rack...both work great. They can be much shorter to gain a safe height.
Buy a fluro flag from Bunnings and you're good to go.
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Follow Up By: Malcom M - Monday, May 13, 2019 at 13:10

Monday, May 13, 2019 at 13:10
Its about spring bases...
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Follow Up By: Nacho - Monday, May 13, 2019 at 13:30

Monday, May 13, 2019 at 13:30
Who cares.
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Follow Up By: Malcom M - Monday, May 13, 2019 at 13:32

Monday, May 13, 2019 at 13:32
well I do or I wouldn't have asked
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Reply By: RMD - Monday, May 13, 2019 at 19:11

Monday, May 13, 2019 at 19:11
Malcolm
With UK English setting on your device the advise will become advice, which you are asking for. In return people will then advise you as intended. Predictive text in UK
English is a friend to all.
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Follow Up By: Michael H9 - Monday, May 13, 2019 at 20:01

Monday, May 13, 2019 at 20:01
With UK English setting on your device, the advise will become advice, which is what you are asking for. Ahhh, that reads better, (to me anyway). A comma and a few extra words make it much clearer, which is what you were trying to achieve I believe?
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Reply By: Bob Y. - Qld - Monday, May 13, 2019 at 19:42

Monday, May 13, 2019 at 19:42
I've got one without a spring, Malcolm, and the 3 sections all screw together. Even without a spring it is very flexible, and will whip back after hitting an overhanging branch, often hitting the roof of my ute, and the canopy. Expect a spring based one would be just as flexible, or more so.

The quick release is a Nitto fitting, and on one occasion, I couldn't release it but a dose of snake's pee eventually got it working.

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Follow Up By: Malcom M - Tuesday, May 14, 2019 at 06:38

Tuesday, May 14, 2019 at 06:38
Thanks Bob
That's the info I'm after

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Reply By: Member - abqaiq - Tuesday, May 14, 2019 at 09:05

Tuesday, May 14, 2019 at 09:05
We got one from ExplorOz. There are rules on required height and those relate to mounting position. I found that the air hose type mounting adapter jammed up and cannot be released as the balls won't evenly retract! So that "feature" is useless. The FG is so flexible that I think there is little advantage to a spring base - IMO.
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Follow Up By: Malcom M - Tuesday, May 14, 2019 at 10:00

Tuesday, May 14, 2019 at 10:00
Thanks Abqaiq

I'm probably going to get a BushRanger unit that has a pinned sleeve quick release rather than the 'click fit' styles so that should sort that out. Seems to be a common problem though.

I agree that the spring base sounds somewhat pointless, hence my original question, but thought that maybe I was missing the point somewhere...

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Follow Up By: Kenell - Tuesday, May 14, 2019 at 12:44

Tuesday, May 14, 2019 at 12:44
"jammed up and cannot be released as the balls won't evenly retract"
Are we still talking about sand flags or are we now onto men's health issues? Just thought I would ask :)

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Reply By: Allan B (Sunshine Coast) - Tuesday, May 14, 2019 at 10:06

Tuesday, May 14, 2019 at 10:06
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Beware of being TOO flexible. I have seen several in The Simpson, with the vehicle travelling at 20-30kph, and the flag was hanging over the rear of the vehicle. Maybe a bit of head breeze too.
Not of much value on a dune crest approach, but doubtless the driver was unaware of the location of his flag.

p.s. The flag in my photo below is not my current one. It is now 3.5m above the bull-bar.
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Follow Up By: Member - David M (SA) - Tuesday, May 14, 2019 at 10:45

Tuesday, May 14, 2019 at 10:45
Lets not turn this into a " mines bigger than yours" contest Allan. :)
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Follow Up By: Allan B (Sunshine Coast) - Tuesday, May 14, 2019 at 10:59

Tuesday, May 14, 2019 at 10:59
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I don't follow you Dave. What am I missing?
The SA Parks Simpson regulation is as below. "minimum 3.5m".

"Flag requirements:
Minimum 300mm wide by 290mm high
made of fluorescent materials, red-orange or lime-yellow in colour.
With front bullbar - flag pole attached to the bullbar, with top of the flag a minimum 3.5 metres from the ground.
Without front bullbar - flag pole attached via bracket at the front of the vehicle, with top of the flag a minimum 3.5 metres from the ground; alternatively flag pole attached to the front of the roof rack, with top of the flag a minimum 2 metres from the roof of vehicle."
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Follow Up By: Member - David M (SA) - Tuesday, May 14, 2019 at 11:47

Tuesday, May 14, 2019 at 11:47
Think you missed the smiley Allan. Have a think about it.
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Follow Up By: Allan B (Sunshine Coast) - Tuesday, May 14, 2019 at 11:59

Tuesday, May 14, 2019 at 11:59
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Sorry Dave. Think I've developed a "flamed" neurosis. lol
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Follow Up By: mountainman - Wednesday, May 15, 2019 at 21:46

Wednesday, May 15, 2019 at 21:46
Soo
how much higher is your new sand flag compared to the one in pic.
A mtr ?
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Follow Up By: Member - David M (SA) - Wednesday, May 15, 2019 at 22:01

Wednesday, May 15, 2019 at 22:01
Sooooo,
Looks about high enough to keep everyone happy, if not a bit jealous.
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Follow Up By: Allan B (Sunshine Coast) - Wednesday, May 15, 2019 at 22:33

Wednesday, May 15, 2019 at 22:33
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The one in the pic was knocked up from 25mm orange pvc conduit for our first Simpson crossing years ago, before any regulations. It was about 3.5m high and attached to the roof rack. I had tried using a flag on the spring-based HF antenna but it bent back with vehicle forward motion.

The current flag was fibreglass telescopic purchased from the EO shop a few years back and is mounted RHS on the bullbar. I have since replaced the top section with 20mm orange pvc conduit to provide more flexibility when encountering overhead tree branches.
As per SA Parks regulations, the flag sits 3.5m above ground.
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Reply By: rumpig - Tuesday, May 14, 2019 at 18:25

Tuesday, May 14, 2019 at 18:25
Bought one of those 3 piece flags with no spring from ARB back in 2010 for a Simpson Crossing, hopefully they are better now then they used to be....the thing was so flexible it was useless as an early warning device due to bending back too much as I drove along. I ended up removing the flag from it’s quick release fitting and taped the flag poles to my broomstick uhf aerial with electrical tape instead to give it stability. On return home from the desert I went to ARB and told them how useless the thing was and wanted a refund, but I didn’t get it...they (or maybe it was the supplier, can’t recall) gave me a new flag instead and said keep the old one....can’t say i’ve tested that one as I on sold it.
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Reply By: 9900Eagle - Tuesday, May 14, 2019 at 18:43

Tuesday, May 14, 2019 at 18:43
I just used a 3 metre length of 25mmorange hd conduit strapped to the bull bar, which gave enough flex to wave the flag side ways so it could be seen by others.

Cheap, doesn't break and works.
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Reply By: IvanTheTerrible - Tuesday, May 14, 2019 at 20:13

Tuesday, May 14, 2019 at 20:13
Pvc pipe over my UHF antenna to give it the correct height and a some poor buggers flag I found lying on a track. Flag only goes on when require and is taken off immediately when not required
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