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i was hoping to take a well made off road box trailer with a roof top camper on it water tank some jerry cans and a bit of other light weight gear all up under 800kg tow vehicle is a dmax dual cab tray back i am going up the CSR next year to the Talawana track and into Rudall river Telfer Kidson track then to alice springs on Garry junction road what are every ones thoughts on towing a trailer
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Reply By: IvanTheTerrible - Sunday, Sep 01, 2019 at 19:56

Sunday, Sep 01, 2019 at 19:56
From someone who had a crack at it with a trailer , don't. If you can get away without it it will make it so much easier. We found out afterwards that they don't recommend towing anyway.
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Reply By: Member - rocco2010 - Sunday, Sep 01, 2019 at 21:13

Sunday, Sep 01, 2019 at 21:13
Plenty like this out there.

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I can understand your thinking but it’s a hard place.,

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Follow Up By: IvanTheTerrible - Sunday, Sep 01, 2019 at 21:14

Sunday, Sep 01, 2019 at 21:14
I would of had a crack at draging that out. :-(
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Reply By: RMD - Sunday, Sep 01, 2019 at 21:44

Sunday, Sep 01, 2019 at 21:44
Doug. I have not travelled some of the more remote tracks and others who have know the conditions and corrugations. That aside, if you want/need a trailer to be able to survive it has to have some different features other than normal.
The picture above shows a trailer which has short slipper springs and most likely a small capacity axle with small bearings, (not pictured). Those are ok for the tip run but not outback.
You mentioned a well made box trailer, exactly what constitutes "well made"?

A shock absorbing and articulated tow hitch would be best, and the trailer to have long length springs with shackles and heavier axle and bearings too. Shock absorbers will also assist in controlling axle motion and reduce the roads shocks and vibes transmitted to the trailer.
I modded a 6x4 trailer with 60 series front landcruiser springs, 50mm sq axle and larger bearings. Shock absorbers fitted as well. Probably it wouldn't like the CSR but Oodnadatta and Birdsville track ok. It is the ride height and longer travel to take larger movement and suppleness & compliance which saves the bodywork. The quality of the trailer construction is a important but secondary to the suspension ability to handle the load and conditions.
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Follow Up By: Member - doug h - Sunday, Sep 01, 2019 at 22:03

Sunday, Sep 01, 2019 at 22:03
i am a experienced four wheel driver just haven't done the CSR we will get a local guy in bunbury that is very experienced trailer designer Boz built he has it sussed for tuff fair dinkum off road trailers only be carrying water and 4 jerrys tool box table and chair and a gazebo so light bulky stuff so we can spread the weight out of the car im not to worried about breaking the trailer just being able to tow it in sandy conditions we will load up the car and trailer and test it on the beach b ut just dont know how bad the southern half of the track is i know there are lots of bad corrigations but how steep are the dunes and how soft
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Reply By: wooly0005 - Sunday, Sep 01, 2019 at 22:58

Sunday, Sep 01, 2019 at 22:58
I know that conditions will vary alot from time to time, but our experience was that we towed a Cavalier camper trailer (single axle light weieght soft floor camper) along the entire track with no problems whatsoever, a couple of years ago. All tyres at 20psi cold. Conditions at the time were very good meaning it was not hot and the sand was not too soft. Average speed was 15 - 20 kph most of the time. Some bad corrugations from time to time but just reduce speed and tyre pressures a bit to allow for that.
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Follow Up By: Member - doug h - Sunday, Sep 01, 2019 at 23:33

Sunday, Sep 01, 2019 at 23:33
yeh thats what i was thinking tyre pressures and take your time and all should be well and a good solid trailer thanks
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Reply By: Michael H9 - Monday, Sep 02, 2019 at 06:55

Monday, Sep 02, 2019 at 06:55
It's the corrugation torture test that you have to worry about. Dunes might pull you up but they rarely break equipment.
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Reply By: Member - McLaren3030 - Monday, Sep 02, 2019 at 15:24

Monday, Sep 02, 2019 at 15:24
Hi doug h,

Have you considered an Ex Army trailer as an option to having one built? They come up for auction from time to time.

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Follow Up By: Member - doug h - Monday, Sep 02, 2019 at 19:42

Monday, Sep 02, 2019 at 19:42
good idea thanks
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Follow Up By: Member - rocco2010 - Tuesday, Sep 03, 2019 at 09:32

Tuesday, Sep 03, 2019 at 09:32
Army trailer on the CSR



Wonder why with that truck he still needed a trailer.
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Follow Up By: duck - Friday, Sep 06, 2019 at 10:56

Friday, Sep 06, 2019 at 10:56
have you towed an ex-army trailer & the weight they are for what you get, landrover wheels hubs etc, try & get the trailer & 4x4 the same wheel track that will make a real difference Good luck
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Reply By: nickb - Monday, Sep 02, 2019 at 19:56

Monday, Sep 02, 2019 at 19:56
I thought there was a section (somewhere around Well 3-5?) that you were not allowed to take trailers?
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Follow Up By: Michael H9 - Monday, Sep 02, 2019 at 20:25

Monday, Sep 02, 2019 at 20:25
I thought the no tow section had recently been removed due to land ownership changes? I could be wrong but thought I read it somewhere.
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Follow Up By: Member - Boobook - Tuesday, Sep 03, 2019 at 08:23

Tuesday, Sep 03, 2019 at 08:23
Michael, do you have a reference to that. I would love to take my camper on the CSR and that sounds interesting.
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Follow Up By: Michael H9 - Tuesday, Sep 03, 2019 at 09:38

Tuesday, Sep 03, 2019 at 09:38
I think I was dreaming mate, can't find it anywhere. There is this where people have asked for and been given permission by Cunya Station.

http://www.tracktrailerforums.com/index.php?topic=1840.0
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Follow Up By: Phil G - Tuesday, Sep 03, 2019 at 17:26

Tuesday, Sep 03, 2019 at 17:26
Travelled that section last week and would not want to tow a trailer between wells 2 and 5 - there are some very washed out gullies and very tight overgrown sections.
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Follow Up By: rumpig - Saturday, Sep 07, 2019 at 07:14

Saturday, Sep 07, 2019 at 07:14
Just read on LCOOL forum where someone says they completed all the CSR yesterday "from top to bottom" and that you are now allowed to tow along all of it (one vehicle in thier group did so it appears), so maybe you weren't dreaming Michael.
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Reply By: Member - MIKE.G - Monday, Sep 02, 2019 at 20:18

Monday, Sep 02, 2019 at 20:18
As Ivan said, and having done the CSR as well as other desert tracks - DON'T TOW.

Apart from needing to power up to cross the sand hills, and the damage that causes, meeting someone coming up the other side is a whole new story!
The corrugations either side of the Kunawarritji Community will test any trailer/camper, no matter how well made.
There is also a "No Tow" region at the south end of the track that you will need to check before travelling.
What ever you decide, make sure you have a reliable UHF radio and know where you are at all times to avoid top of hill encounters.
We took three weeks to cover north to south and that was not nearly enough.
Enjoy.

Cheers,

Mike


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Follow Up By: IvanTheTerrible - Monday, Sep 02, 2019 at 20:42

Monday, Sep 02, 2019 at 20:42
I'll add to this. A lot of the track has bushes on both edges the width of the vehicle. More than once we took a wrong diversion and had to reverse back a very narrow track,
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Follow Up By: Ron N - Monday, Sep 02, 2019 at 23:42

Monday, Sep 02, 2019 at 23:42
Nothing worse than trying to back down a badly-chopped-up, very steep and long sand dune, with a trailer attached!

That's what you'll have to try doing, on more than one occasion, on the CSR!

Cheers, Ron.
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Reply By: Member - Len & Rhoda - Tuesday, Sep 03, 2019 at 17:08

Tuesday, Sep 03, 2019 at 17:08
Hi Doug. Did it last year in May, Nth to Sth with a hard floor camper, one of the "cheaper ones", the biggest issue is the hook turn bends at the base of the dunes and the corrugation sections either side of Kunnawarraji. Take it easy, drop pressures all round and you should be fine. Having said that towing a camper adds to the work, work out if you really need it.

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Follow Up By: Member - doug h - Tuesday, Sep 03, 2019 at 19:37

Tuesday, Sep 03, 2019 at 19:37
thanks theres a lot of experts saying no but ill be taking my time just wanted some opinions we are going from Wiluna to the Talwanna track then to Telfer and the Kidson track to Kunnawarratji then the Gary Junction rd to Sandy blight rd probably head of late August 6 to 8 weeks to Cocklebiddy so going the scenic route thanks again
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Reply By: Phil G - Tuesday, Sep 03, 2019 at 17:41

Tuesday, Sep 03, 2019 at 17:41
Just finished the Canning last week so its fresh in my mind.
Main issues as I see it:
#1 What suspension on your trailer? The heavy corrugations break leaf springs and cause shocks to fail. Also the chopped up dunes need to be approached slowly so you don't bounce around. One person in our group towed a 1000kg trailer and had his pressures down around 10-12psi so it could tow up the dunes slowly without spinning wheels.
#2 Dual cabs can bend their chassis when towing over dunes like the Canning.
#3 How strong is the drawbar? - broken drawbars feature strongly on the dumped trailers (along with broken axles and springs)
#4 Fuel usage goes up a lot when towing
#5. I own a Tvan and use it in the Great Vic Desert, Googs track etc but happily didn't take it on the Canning - so much less stress when not having to worry about getting over dunes or the trailer falling apart
#6 If you tow a trailer on the Canning expect abuse from fellow travellers who will blame you for chopping up the track.
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Follow Up By: Member - doug h - Tuesday, Sep 03, 2019 at 19:44

Tuesday, Sep 03, 2019 at 19:44
yeh getting a trailer made itll be well designed just a simple light weight box trailer with rooftop camper on it should only weigh 7 to 800kgs loaded done a fair bit of sand driving lived at wedge for 4 years and been around the south a fair bit on sand we.ll be trying to keep the weight down as much as possible thanks for your advice CHEERS
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Reply By: chriswen - Monday, Sep 09, 2019 at 09:16

Monday, Sep 09, 2019 at 09:16
Hi Doug. My guess is you are the Doug with the shack 4 up from Rosco, if so I am the Chris with the shack behind you past Jims. I lived there for 18 months.

Regarding a trailer on the CSR. Many trailers are hauled on the CSR without problems. The bulk of it is low speed with some skull dragging over sand hills which could be interesting. As mentioned elsewhere the lack of a runnup at the base of the dunes creates a challenge but hasn't stopped anyone yet as far as I know. When I did the route(south to north) it was a little wet so sand was hard.

I recently did Rudall River to well 25 and back and the only thing to slow you down is the corrugations, so slow it is.

Cant comment on the Kidson etc.

Have fun
Chris
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