Banned from APY Land.

Submitted: Thursday, Feb 13, 2020 at 17:34
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Is this getting ridiculous?

Welfare Staff Banned from APY Land
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Reply By: Alloy c/t - Thursday, Feb 13, 2020 at 17:54

Thursday, Feb 13, 2020 at 17:54
Its all about the $$$$ nothing more , nothing less , a group of less than 3% of the Australian population gets $35 billion in in 'welfare' over and above the rest ...
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Follow Up By: Gronk - Thursday, Feb 13, 2020 at 18:40

Thursday, Feb 13, 2020 at 18:40
Goes to show how the "leaders" of these people treat their own people.
As usual, a land council too busy with their snouts in the trough to see the real picture !
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Follow Up By: Member - Bigfish - Friday, Feb 14, 2020 at 09:29

Friday, Feb 14, 2020 at 09:29
Excerpt from an ABC news article several months ago...

"Over the past five years, more than 10 councils across Australia have been sacked amid varying allegations of corruption, budget blowouts, infighting and general dysfunction.

Despite the sackings, the work of local government goes on, prompting ratepayers, academics and local business people to ask if councillors are actually needed at all.

The head of the Institute for Public Policy and Governance at University of Technology Sydney, Professor Roberta Ryan works with thousands of council staff across the country.

"You do hear a lot — from senior staff particularly — that it is a much easier place to work without elected councillors, especially in areas which have had difficulties," she said."

Corruption starts in local councils and magnifies as it goes up the ladder...state then federal. With no federal watchdog..what a brilliant way to run a country.
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Reply By: Member - 2208mate - Thursday, Feb 13, 2020 at 21:25

Thursday, Feb 13, 2020 at 21:25
You have to smile and nod your head..
If you speak your mind, the branding irons will come out and you will be forever tainted.
The pendulum has swung into extremism and shows no sign of approaching centre for a substantial time to come... IMO.
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Reply By: Member - Wildmax - Thursday, Feb 13, 2020 at 23:11

Thursday, Feb 13, 2020 at 23:11
Please don't turn this post into an excuse for abuse and denigration of our indigenous population.
We have travelled remotely for the past decade, have enjoyed visits to some wonderfully welcoming aboriginal communities, and have been especially delighted by conversations with school children happy to meet travellers.
We have had help in those communities when we need it, just as we have offered help when it's required.
Sure, there are parts of Australia, urban white as well as remote rural, where community management falls short, better leadership is required and the social structure fails.
We all have a stake in seeing that improve, and online abuse achieves exactly the opposite.
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Follow Up By: Member - Bigfish - Friday, Feb 14, 2020 at 07:31

Friday, Feb 14, 2020 at 07:31
I spent 2 decades traveling to very remote sites around Australia. Most requiring permits. Just because a community welcomes a white fella in doesnt mean its functioning legally or effectively. APY homelands is an example. Many of these councils are just a bank for the people who sit in power. There is indeed a huge problem with how the money is spent, the duties of officers, accountability and the suitability to oversee how money is spent. The average community member is aware of the problem but, like the average white being aware of a ineffective govt, feels powerless and often ostracised by their own community if they speak out. We have indeed thrown billions of dollars away needlessly...mind you, plenty of white office bearers have done well!!

I abuse does not help...but honesty does. Many of these aboriginal councils align well with our own local councils.....under the table cash jobs, conflict of interest, greed, lies and huge ego trips!! I think there have been at least 4 major council shut downs just in Qld alone over the last 2 years. We have taught the blackfella well about being a councillor...
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Follow Up By: Shaker - Friday, Feb 14, 2020 at 15:58

Friday, Feb 14, 2020 at 15:58
The Australian Taxpayer has just contributed $113.4 million dollars for road improvements in the APY Lands & I have been told that it is almost impossible to get a permit (unconfirmed) to travel on them. I also read that another $30 plus million is being spent on the airfield & surrounds.
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Follow Up By: Member - Bigfish - Friday, Feb 14, 2020 at 16:06

Friday, Feb 14, 2020 at 16:06
Cant see any reason you,d want to travel to the APY homeland communities actually. The communities are not set up for tourism. Limited camping/caravanning areas. Been to most of the communities and never had an issue with any of them. Different way of life to what the average Aussie lives..that's for sure.. $113 Million on roads isn't much. Billions wasted on S.E.Queensland tunnels. Grrr....dont even start about our billions wasted on submarines. Govts love spending our money...especially as there is no accountability.
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Follow Up By: Bazooka - Saturday, Feb 15, 2020 at 23:01

Saturday, Feb 15, 2020 at 23:01
Hear hear Wildmax. Some Australians like nothing better than to talk about the corrupt/incompetent practices in other countries, societies and communities, apparently blissfully unaware of what goes on in their own backyards. You'd think they might be absolutely incensed at the $90B (yes billion) tax concession Howard and Costello gave to multinational gas producers for example.
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Follow Up By: Member - David M (SA) - Sunday, Feb 16, 2020 at 10:29

Sunday, Feb 16, 2020 at 10:29
Don't think its so much about the indigenous population Wildmax. More about the indigenous leadership, going all the way back to ATSIC.
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Reply By: Ron N - Friday, Feb 14, 2020 at 20:36

Friday, Feb 14, 2020 at 20:36
This APY crap is just the tip of the iceberg. The list of mismanaged Aboriginal Corporations is longer than my arm, and it continues to grow, because of the explosion in the numbers of Aboriginal Corporations.

In W.A., the Noongar-Boodjar Land Trust Settlement has seen the creation of no less than 7 new Aboriginal Corporations - for just 3500 Indigenous people.

And now we have a local politician exposing a local Aboriginal Corporation head as a tyrant, and accusing him of fraud and misuse of funds.

Nationals politician accuses Aboriginal Corporation CEO of fraud and squandering of Corporation funds

Noongar Settlement Agreement

Cheers, Ron.
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Follow Up By: Member - David M (SA) - Friday, Feb 14, 2020 at 21:34

Friday, Feb 14, 2020 at 21:34
See there's going to be an investigation into the " leakage " of money from one of the settlements corporations in WA.
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Follow Up By: Member - Bigfish - Saturday, Feb 15, 2020 at 09:30

Saturday, Feb 15, 2020 at 09:30
Not disagreeing with the figures. It is very frustrating for taxpayers to hear of money going missing/ill spent/stolen. However they pale alongside the tens of millions ratepayers suffered in the Ipswich Council schemes. Every council, organisation and indeed the majority of corporations have people ripping off the system. Greed is a natural property of man and always will be. Thats the reason the world is in such a mess. If proper safeguards and strong deterrents were put into place for all forms of Govt and private enterprise...most of the theft, fraud, blackmail and rorting would be knocked out! Seems if your a Liberal supporter you get a good deal for your sporting club as well...even if you didn't apply for any money.

Until we clean up the council/state and fed govts we will always see billions go missing. $500 million given to Suddam Huesein many years ago..missing money..over the wheat scandal....swept under the rug and never heard of again. Now lets talk water scandals..

Black or White organisations will never function properly without accountability and proper governance.
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Reply By: Candace S. - Saturday, Feb 15, 2020 at 12:01

Saturday, Feb 15, 2020 at 12:01
Sounds like readily-available tourist permits for the APY lands are still a long ways off...
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Reply By: Member - Ross N (NSW) - Sunday, Feb 16, 2020 at 10:27

Sunday, Feb 16, 2020 at 10:27
It is my simple belief that publicly funded roads should be public roads and freely
Accessible by all
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Follow Up By: Bazooka - Sunday, Feb 16, 2020 at 11:25

Sunday, Feb 16, 2020 at 11:25
In principle perhaps but there are many reasons why that principle is a furphy in respect of infrastructure Ross. Most of our houses were likely publicly funded, at least partly. Should they be freely accessible? Defence roads, fire roads, mining lease roads, etc are all restricted.
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Follow Up By: Shaker - Sunday, Feb 16, 2020 at 16:16

Sunday, Feb 16, 2020 at 16:16
I agree, we should be allowed to pass through & if required camp overnight within say 50 metres of the road, without a permit. If we want to proceed further onto the indigenous owned land then a permit is fair.
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Reply By: Phil G - Sunday, Feb 16, 2020 at 23:10

Sunday, Feb 16, 2020 at 23:10
Nothing ridiculous about that. All they wanted was a $22 permit fee and a police check on each of the staff members.
What a beat up!
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