Porta Potty Travel Qeury

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Having just returned from a long weekend camping trip with our soft top camper trailer and using the Thetford 365 Porta Potti for the time, I now have a question regarding what others do with the water quantities needed to run the loo.
I took an extra 20lt water container to allow me to fill the top and bottom compartments as per instructions and found it a challenge to fit the extra container in. I am wondering if it is safe to transport the loo in our camper trailer with the water already added and just the chemicals upon arriving at sight? And, how safe is it to transport the loo 'fully loaded' on the way home until a dump point can be found??
I guess a lot of caravans have similar cartridge style crappers that get tramped around the country side in different states of operation with out any troubles but i am just really cautious about ending up with any leaked product (during transport) getting throughout everything else in the trailer?!

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Reply By: RMD - Tuesday, Mar 10, 2020 at 18:49

Tuesday, Mar 10, 2020 at 18:49
David. The past week I had a Thetford 145 in my van under bed. Initially charged with chemical and 14 litres above. Over the week, minimal use not much water flush was used but plenty in lower. Starting out again I would only fill top at half or 1/3 because that can be added anytime. Travelled well on bumpy roads no dramas.
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Reply By: raazor - Tuesday, Mar 10, 2020 at 18:51

Tuesday, Mar 10, 2020 at 18:51
David P40, Hi. We cart ours around in a compartment shared with one milk crate and a rectangular bucket.
Compartment is not fully sealed and never had an issue to date.
I guess as long as the seals are in good condition and not free to move around too much.
We have driven home numerous occasions e.g. a few hundred k's dirt tracks bitumen with no problems.
Hope that Helps. Ray.
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Reply By: Bob Y. - Qld - Tuesday, Mar 10, 2020 at 21:30

Tuesday, Mar 10, 2020 at 21:30
I took a porta potti to the Big Red Bash, back in 2015, and turned out to be a wise addition, considering the lack of sufficient toilets provided that year. Early on the morning after the event, I headed to Birdsville & disposed of the "loaded" section's contents at the dump point. Glad I had an LED floodlight on the ute so I could see what was going on!

The lower chamber didn't leak(Phew!!!), but the upper chamber seemed to splash a little water about on the 35km trip from Big Red back to the dump point, just south of Birdsville.

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Follow Up By: OzzieCruiser - Wednesday, Mar 11, 2020 at 14:27

Wednesday, Mar 11, 2020 at 14:27
My top section also leaked water when being bounced around - the water comes out the pipe that flushes the toilet after the business. I got a rubber cap to put over the end of the flush pipe and all is good. No more water getting out of the top tank when travelling.

Thankfully the bottom tank does not leak but does expand a bit in very hot weather so a very careful release of pressure helps - but I do emphasise very careful release of pressure.

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Reply By: eaglefree - Tuesday, Mar 10, 2020 at 22:36

Tuesday, Mar 10, 2020 at 22:36
In our ensuite we screwed a box to the floor that the potato fits into. The top of the box is no higher than the top of the bottom unit. This stops the portion from tipping over which it did once on a rough road section when the bottom was empty and top full. It also will catch any spills.
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Follow Up By: Gramps - Tuesday, Mar 10, 2020 at 22:56

Tuesday, Mar 10, 2020 at 22:56
Eaglefree,

"In our ensuite we screwed a box to the floor that the potato fits into."

That's either a huge potato or a smallish box. Remind me not to eat any of your potatoes if you're storing them in the ensuite LOL

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Follow Up By: Member - Jim S1 - Wednesday, Mar 11, 2020 at 12:23

Wednesday, Mar 11, 2020 at 12:23
Predictive text is such a pain sometimes !

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Follow Up By: Member - McLaren3030 - Wednesday, Mar 11, 2020 at 19:37

Wednesday, Mar 11, 2020 at 19:37
That's why you should review, reread before posting LOL

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Follow Up By: Member - shane r1 - Wednesday, Mar 11, 2020 at 19:44

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That’s nearly a Friday funnies slip up! Hahaha
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Reply By: Member - Cuppa - Wednesday, Mar 11, 2020 at 12:55

Wednesday, Mar 11, 2020 at 12:55
We carry a 365 in our Tvan. (It wedges in nicely between the bed & the tent canvas which holds it securely in all off road conditions). It had never occurred to me to not carry flushing water in the top tank. Only thing is in rough conditions the water can find it's way past the filler cap (which could have been designed to seal better), but not in large quantities. We keep the loo in a custom made canvas bag with strapping handles which makes it easier for two people to lift, as well as containing any minor water spillage). To reduce any top tank spillage we generally only fill it 2/3rds full to travel.

As far as chemical go, we don't put any in the top tank, & certainly don't use any of the Thetford chemicals (or similar) in the bottom tank, as we find the chemical smell offensive - worse than the 'deposits' we make.

We do however use sodium Percarbonate (generic napisan with the highest precentage of SP - usually around 30%) at a rate of a level teaspoonful per 'deposit', & try not to use the toilet for urine if we can. The mix of urine & 'solids' creates a stronger smell. Without urine & with SP all is manageable, & far nicer than using the commercial chemicals. Thetford does suggest that the pink additive into the top tank helps to lubricate the seal, but a little olive oil directly onto the seal once in a while has worked well for us for years.

Carrying a fully loaded loo is not a problem, although having said that we do try to empty it after 4 days use if we can. It's not full, but can start to become a little wiffy especially in hot weather. There are often no dump points where we like to travel, & in those circumstances we look for easy digging ground away from water courses & get the shovel out to dig a hole of reasonable depth to dispose & cover the contents
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Reply By: Member - Odog - Wednesday, Mar 11, 2020 at 16:13

Wednesday, Mar 11, 2020 at 16:13
We used to have a cub hard floor camper, got a mate to make us up an aluminium box for the draw bar, to store the toot in its own box, used the box as our cook top when closed, for quick overnight stops, was an absolute pearler of a set up.. found if we didn’t over fill the top tank, it would never spill.. we are another for the nappy san, that’s all we have ever used.. won’t go camping without the 365 now... best thing we have ever brought.. cheers O
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Follow Up By: Genny - Wednesday, Mar 11, 2020 at 16:27

Wednesday, Mar 11, 2020 at 16:27
I've carried mine around in the fridge/storage area of my SUV camper. Done a few rough roads with it, and hasn't leaked yet, touch wood. I'd probably die cleaning up the mess if it did .....
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Reply By: Member - Wildmax - Wednesday, Mar 11, 2020 at 16:59

Wednesday, Mar 11, 2020 at 16:59
We've carried ours for years, both "loaded" and unloaded, with no problems.
Mind you, we did bump into one guy who had rolled his TVan on a rough track, with an untethered portaloo inside - punched out the side window and made a bit of a mess.
But the TVan, being the great unit it is, was still mobile if a somewhat dinged.
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Reply By: Stevemac - Wednesday, Mar 11, 2020 at 20:27

Wednesday, Mar 11, 2020 at 20:27
We carry two cassettes, (caravan) so if one is full without opportunity to empty, we chuck it in a double bin liner and do our best to fill number two cassette with number 2s.

Buy 2x cassettes or porta-potties and just carry the spare “receiving” part. Weighs next to nothing. You might never need it but it but you won’t have to drive the length of the Stuart Hwy clutching your buttocks.
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Follow Up By: Member - Wildmax - Wednesday, Mar 11, 2020 at 22:21

Wednesday, Mar 11, 2020 at 22:21
Or carry a long handled shovel !!!
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Follow Up By: Member - shane r1 - Wednesday, Mar 11, 2020 at 22:31

Wednesday, Mar 11, 2020 at 22:31
Long handled shovel,BUT don’t leave poo tickets!
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Follow Up By: Member - Wildmax - Thursday, Mar 12, 2020 at 12:27

Thursday, Mar 12, 2020 at 12:27
Quite right.....burn then bury.
It's amazing the rubbish some inconsiderate buggers leave around bush campsites, which gives all travellers a bad name !!
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Follow Up By: Peter_n_Margaret - Thursday, Mar 12, 2020 at 13:47

Thursday, Mar 12, 2020 at 13:47
When the contents of a portable toilet are buried, there is nothing to burn and the toilet paper rapidly becomes liquid pulp along with the rest of the content.
Very different from having a crap directly into a hole.
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Follow Up By: Member - Wildmax - Thursday, Mar 12, 2020 at 14:05

Thursday, Mar 12, 2020 at 14:05
True Peter, though I don't like putting chemicals into the ground - so always try to use a dump point when going through an RV friendly town.
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Follow Up By: Peter_n_Margaret - Thursday, Mar 12, 2020 at 15:19

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Because of where we travel, we need to bury 90% of our toilet waste.
Sodium percarbonate is biodegradable and completely safe for the environment. You can not be sure about that with many of the commercial products.
We buy it on line as 100% to ensure that it does not have other additives and to reduce the cost, weight and add rate.
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Follow Up By: Member - Wildmax - Thursday, Mar 12, 2020 at 16:04

Thursday, Mar 12, 2020 at 16:04
Thanks Peter, that's good to know. I will make a note of that product because we also spend most of our time travelling remotely and have been working around the issue of unknown chemicals, whenever we're not able to just dig a hole.
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Follow Up By: Frank P (NSW) - Thursday, Mar 12, 2020 at 18:02

Thursday, Mar 12, 2020 at 18:02
Our Karavan toilet is a vacuum system with no chemicals required. Some Kklub folk use oxygenators like Bio Magic, others use percarbonate products like generic versions of NapiSan, but only to reduce the smell when emptying. It's not needed during normal course of operations.

To date we use no chemicals, but are considering percarbonate because, as above, it reduces the smell of the slurry when you empty the canister. I have a pretty strong constitution so it doesn't worry me, but some of our travelling companions are not so lucky.

We use dump points when available but have no environmental qualms about digging a hole when necessary. It's not pleasant but it's not harmful either if the chosen spot for the hole is remote from campsites.

In more remote areas I don't see any issues with using soft, disturbed earth in roadside verges to facilitate a deep, easily dug hole. If we can combine that with a bit of firewood getting, so much the better. In less remote areas we wait for a dump point - and maybe buy firewood. Depends, as always.
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Follow Up By: Peter_n_Margaret - Thursday, Mar 12, 2020 at 23:04

Thursday, Mar 12, 2020 at 23:04
The other option to chemicals for those with fixed position (installed) toilets is the "SOG" fan system that draws air through the tank and exhausts it outside via a carbon filter. No smells inside but still have the emptying challenge.
I find this system very attractive, but have not yet seen one that can handle extreme terrain without a risk of the tank contents getting into the fan. Fine for the bitumen travellers.
I might have to see if I can develop one?
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Follow Up By: RMD - Friday, Mar 13, 2020 at 13:56

Friday, Mar 13, 2020 at 13:56
Peter.
The fan must be close to the contents for it to be on fan blades. Puts a whole new meaning on the saying,
" the s--t hit the fan".
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Follow Up By: Peter_n_Margaret - Friday, Mar 13, 2020 at 14:03

Friday, Mar 13, 2020 at 14:03
Yes, there is typically a hose that plugs into the emptying spout of the cassette that goes to a fan and carbon filter mounted 100-150mm away on the hatch.
A bit of serious lurching can cause a very undesirable result.
It would be possible though to run that hose up vertically inside above the cassette for half a metre or more (or all the way to the roof) to avoid that problem.
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Reply By: Member - 2208mate - Thursday, Mar 12, 2020 at 11:21

Thursday, Mar 12, 2020 at 11:21
I never fill the top tank but leave it on to save old knees..
After doing the biz I poke down the sticky bits with toilet paper.
Then shut the slide valve and pour water from a bottle just enough to get a mobile slurry going and using more toilet paper wipe it around round.
When she's clean, open the valve and let it join the rest.
Use hand sanitiser for hygiene.

This is an extreme method for when spending prolonged time in Oz deserts and is obviously not for all.

I'm currently using nappy san type products for smell mitigation.
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Follow Up By: David P40 - Thursday, Mar 12, 2020 at 11:43

Thursday, Mar 12, 2020 at 11:43
You are definitely an extreme sh*tter...lol
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Reply By: Hoyks - Saturday, Mar 14, 2020 at 10:09

Saturday, Mar 14, 2020 at 10:09
You don't really need to bring potable water, any clean-ish water you can source locally will do, especially when you think about where it is going.

My loo gets wedged in the back corner of the ute top camper. Hasn't leaked, despite some some abuse on cape York (both from the roads and me).

I hardly put any water in the top tank when traveling as I found it would vent through the flush nozzle and fill up the bowl. Then there is the whole 'Is it, or isn't it' when you're lifting it out and wear the leakage.

A bit of pre-trip preparation, consisting of a couple of coats of silicone spray in the bowl and you pretty much don't have to flush as everything is sufficiently lubricated and finds its way into the lower tank.

In the bottom tank I start off with only a liter or two of water and a cap full of the cheapest nappy sanitiser you can get (black and gold or aldi stuff is good), which tends to have more sodium per-carbonate than the expensive stuff.

I think 4 days was the longest I got between empties, and being in the tropics and seeing the state of the long drops, I rolled into Coen and up to the pit expecting a horror show. Surprisingly paper, pee and poo was just a pretty much odor free brown slurry that rinsed away easily.

I would never buy the specialist chemicals again and save the extra water for hand washing.
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Follow Up By: OzzieCruiser - Saturday, Mar 14, 2020 at 14:11

Saturday, Mar 14, 2020 at 14:11
@ Hoyks said "I hardly put any water in the top tank when traveling as I found it would vent through the flush nozzle and fill up the bowl. "

I have the same problem with my porta pottie and put a rubber cap (designed to block vacuum pipes on engines) over my flush nozzle and that sorted the problem.

I also have a porta pottie carry bag that I put the porta pottie in when travelling ($20 on ebay) just in case there is a spillage - the bag is water proof and easier to clean if there is an accident rather trying to clean the back of the car and getting the smell out.
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