Persisent list to the left on my 2019 Ranger - is it a problem?

Submitted: Friday, Feb 12, 2021 at 15:10
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My 2019 Mklll XLS ranger has a list to the left side varying from 20 to 30 mm at the wheel arches, depending on how much fuel is loaded, but Ford claim the vehicle is within specifications.

It has been suggested the springs may be on the wrong sides, but I am told the left and right rear springs are the same so that line of enquiry seems to be ruled out. I am at a loss for my next move.

Does anyone have any suggestions please?

Also posted on Ranger forum... Cheers, Phil
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Reply By: RMD - Friday, Feb 12, 2021 at 16:37

Friday, Feb 12, 2021 at 16:37
G'day Phil,
While many D40 Navaras were supplied NEW, (courtesy of Nissan), with a 20mm to 25mm + RH rear drop at the wheel arch, haven't seen Rangers doing it.
Is it both ends? ie lower on same side both front and rear? OR just the rear?
If front, there maybe an upper cushion spacer above the spring which is missing.
If rear, which would also affect front to some degree, one of the spring leaves may be cracked through in the spring seat/pad area and not easily seen, and definitely not looked for by a dealer. That would decrease the hold height but not be particularly noticed. A good LED torch might be good to use to see. LED torches allow detection of things not seen by older torches.

Ask the dealer to show you that particular specification where a noticeable list to one side is acceptable. Just don't take their spoken word for it EVER.
Was it always like it because some chassis have a twist in them although made on a jig.
Does the vehicle steer to one side, because that amount of difference will affect the steering dynamics to some degree. ie pulls/floats one way?
I presume you have allowed for any load items you have added.
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Follow Up By: Member - Phil 'n Jill (WA) - Friday, Feb 12, 2021 at 20:06

Friday, Feb 12, 2021 at 20:06
Thanks RMD

I have a choice of LED lamps – I shall investigate with the ‘Cree’.

The front is out slightly, no where near the rear list and I have plonked considerable weight on the right side to compensate for the only weight on the lleft side of the tray – the 2nd battery – with NIL effect.

The dealer will not show me the specification they quote – ‘speak to Ford’ is the response. The Ford contact won’t provide it either – getting any response is like pulling teeth, when I ask for written confirmation of any response by phone I am told it will need to be cleared by the legal team first so it could take a couple of days. Correspondence is negligible.

My plan at this stage is to just keep chipping away – I started this at the 30K service about September.

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Follow Up By: RMD - Friday, Feb 12, 2021 at 22:20

Friday, Feb 12, 2021 at 22:20
Phil,
Pretty clear Ford isn't going to tell the truth about the claimed specs not being exceeded. Makes you wonder what they have to hide. Having to get legal team approval just for a decent reply, smacks of avoidance to a high degree. Aren't dealers supposed to be your friend? well they are when buying but afterwards, perhaps not.
Just a thought, the chassis may be malformed if the lower corner was present when new, perhaps not noticed at purchase time though. If happening afterwards then points to springs not doing the job. The Navaras I spoke of had a malformed chassis from factory, known by Nissan but many many sold throughout OZ. If made twisted then it becomes a warranty issue. Some serious investigation is required to find /prove that if it is the issue.
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Follow Up By: Member - Phil 'n Jill (WA) - Saturday, Feb 13, 2021 at 01:08

Saturday, Feb 13, 2021 at 01:08
Thanks again RMD

If need be I will book it into a licensing outfit nearby and ask their opinion as I have dealt with them previously with a caravan upgraded load rating and they seem to know their vehicle issues.

Main issue I have at present is that whilst the lean is obvious to me and I have seen others on the road (all makes), but that could be their load, I am wondering whether the 20 - 30mm variance is a concern.

It looks a bit like my old Landrover with two drums of fuel and a pallet of cement on the back, but my steering isn't as light :O))

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Reply By: Genny - Friday, Feb 12, 2021 at 22:02

Friday, Feb 12, 2021 at 22:02
Seems to be a thing with a few Rangers. This American forum touches on the subject.

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Follow Up By: RMD - Friday, Feb 12, 2021 at 22:25

Friday, Feb 12, 2021 at 22:25
"97 models and 2019 models are a bit different I would have thought.
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Follow Up By: Genny - Saturday, Feb 13, 2021 at 14:22

Saturday, Feb 13, 2021 at 14:22
Probably about as similar as Navara's .....
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Follow Up By: Member - mechpete - Monday, Feb 15, 2021 at 12:11

Monday, Feb 15, 2021 at 12:11
the ranger in the US is a F150 based vehicle
not the current ranger we have here
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Reply By: Member - Outback Gazz - Saturday, Feb 13, 2021 at 08:14

Saturday, Feb 13, 2021 at 08:14
Bit of reading here on this


https://newranger.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=6812

https://newranger.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=6991

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Follow Up By: RMD - Saturday, Feb 13, 2021 at 11:38

Saturday, Feb 13, 2021 at 11:38
Yes, certainly looks like FRAUD quality! Strange how Ford can't fix it but home mechanics can.
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Follow Up By: Member - Phil 'n Jill (WA) - Saturday, Feb 13, 2021 at 12:02

Saturday, Feb 13, 2021 at 12:02
Thanks Gazz - Looks like Ford really don't give a rats ass.

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Reply By: RMD - Saturday, Feb 13, 2021 at 13:37

Saturday, Feb 13, 2021 at 13:37
If Ford won't fix it and it is widespread, the Rangers will become known as "Aileen" utes. Just look around and see how many other makes all lean, or "Aileen" to one side. Not common at all and other makers rectify it too.

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Reply By: Member - David M (SA) - Saturday, Feb 13, 2021 at 15:47

Saturday, Feb 13, 2021 at 15:47
Sure you haven't been running it with a splash of ethanol ( alcohol ) in the tank. ?
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Follow Up By: Member - Phil 'n Jill (WA) - Saturday, Feb 13, 2021 at 17:40

Saturday, Feb 13, 2021 at 17:40
Not a chance Dave - I have enough problems with a few reds after the odd beer or three :O))

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Reply By: Hoyks - Saturday, Feb 13, 2021 at 20:03

Saturday, Feb 13, 2021 at 20:03
A full tank is around 80kg, so it would sag a bit. when full. Have you tried measuring it from the wheel hub to wheel arch in level ground with a similar load in the drivers seat?

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Follow Up By: Member - Phil 'n Jill (WA) - Saturday, Feb 13, 2021 at 22:57

Saturday, Feb 13, 2021 at 22:57
I beg to differ on that perspective - I don't believe 80 kg should result in a sag - fair dinkum the suspension should be able to handle that sort of loading.

The second battery is also on that side along with the tank, but piling a heap of weight on the right side to counteract those makes no difference.

Since first noticing the lean, I have fitted 900mm drawers as well - centrally with an even distribution stored in them - almost negligible for around town running.

The real disappointment for me is that Ford locally and head office will not discuss the problem - just quote from their bible and if you don't like it bad luck. If it was a shaver or some similar product I could afford to go without I would tell them to 'shove it'. In a lifetime of customer service I have certain standards that I have adhered to, but this situation falls well short of the mark.

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Follow Up By: RMD - Sunday, Feb 14, 2021 at 08:24

Sunday, Feb 14, 2021 at 08:24
Hoyks,
Following your logic, EVERY Dmax ever made should lean / droop low on the LHS rear with a 76litre tank. They don't! Only 3.2kg fuel difference to a Ranger.
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Follow Up By: axle - Sunday, Feb 14, 2021 at 09:08

Sunday, Feb 14, 2021 at 09:08
Makes you think with this problem, that there's a difference in the spring tensions ,

Very strange that when loaded on opposite side it makes no difference??



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Follow Up By: Member - Phil 'n Jill (WA) - Sunday, Feb 14, 2021 at 13:29

Sunday, Feb 14, 2021 at 13:29
Thanks Axle - It seems to narrow down to that if we are looking for a simple solution.

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Follow Up By: RMD - Sunday, Feb 14, 2021 at 14:11

Sunday, Feb 14, 2021 at 14:11
My reference to Navaras which Genny indicated was not similar, could be. IF the Rangers are being built AND have malformed chassis members like the NAVARAS DID have, then the issue may not be one of a tired/unsuitable spring at all. If they are like it from new then something needs investigating.
I used a laser aligning tool under the flat underside of the Navara chassis rails and found the RH REAR chassis corner to be malformed and it held the tub 25mm down at the corner. About 20mm at the wheel arch. After 3 tribunal hearings the owner was paid out more than $39000 and returned the faulty vehicle. MANY MANY Navaras were sold in OZ exactly like that. The company knew prior to sale and sold them anyway. Hopefully, it is ONLY springing which is the problem here.
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Follow Up By: Rob J8 - Tuesday, Feb 16, 2021 at 21:21

Tuesday, Feb 16, 2021 at 21:21
Fuel tank on LH side, 80 litres =80kgs average weight of man in drivers seat.
I had 134 litre tank in my 2012 Ranger and when the tank was full it used to list to Port as I'm only 98kgs.
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Follow Up By: Member - McLaren3030 - Wednesday, Feb 17, 2021 at 08:13

Wednesday, Feb 17, 2021 at 08:13
Rob J8,

80 Ltrs of diesel is more like 68 kgs. even less if petrol.

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Follow Up By: Hoyks - Thursday, Feb 18, 2021 at 10:33

Thursday, Feb 18, 2021 at 10:33
A full tank of fuel and a second battery are going to add a not insignificant load to one side.

Unless you have solid bars for springs, adding 100+ kg to one side is going to make the springs deflect. Stepping on and off the side steps of my ute sees around a 15-20mm compression of the spring. The amount of deflection isn't directly proportional as the lower leaves take up the load when you start getting a couple of hundred kg on there.

Anyway, the factory springs are fine for no load, but rubbish for anything over 1/2 the GVM. Mine got binned after around 1600km as with 500kg on the back it was constantly hitting the bump stops.
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Reply By: Member - Jim S1 - Sunday, Feb 14, 2021 at 09:31

Sunday, Feb 14, 2021 at 09:31
Mate, when you sit back and relax, it's a truck, not a Rolls Royce. I think mine is slightly out of the perfect horizontal as well. Had new springs and shocks fitted and that's how it ended up. Just a little bit, and I'm probably the only one that notices. Just decided it wasn't worth worrying about. Certainly doesn't seem to affect anything.
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Reply By: OzzieCruiser - Wednesday, Feb 17, 2021 at 10:29

Wednesday, Feb 17, 2021 at 10:29
Maybe your missus needs to loose 50kgs and the problem will go away :-)
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Follow Up By: RMD - Wednesday, Feb 17, 2021 at 11:44

Wednesday, Feb 17, 2021 at 11:44
That is equivalent to 62.5 additional litres in the tank.
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Reply By: Allan B (Sunshine Coast) - Thursday, Feb 18, 2021 at 13:04

Thursday, Feb 18, 2021 at 13:04
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My Troopy progressively developed a lean. The RH wheel arch was 30mm lower than the left.
With the vehicle at a spring works it was confirmed to be a spring sag. "Not unusual" said the business owner.
The spring was cold-reset and the vehicle sat correctly. I was told to expect it to happen again with time.

Seems the Iron Man springs were no better than their shockers! They were replaced with Koni's long ago.
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Follow Up By: axle - Thursday, Feb 18, 2021 at 13:21

Thursday, Feb 18, 2021 at 13:21
You'll have to cutdown on that pudding, Allan. :)))))



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Follow Up By: Allan B (Sunshine Coast) - Thursday, Feb 18, 2021 at 13:25

Thursday, Feb 18, 2021 at 13:25
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No way Axle. I got rid of the Troopy instead. lol.

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Reply By: Member - Phil 'n Jill (WA) - Saturday, Feb 20, 2021 at 23:48

Saturday, Feb 20, 2021 at 23:48
Thanks team for all the responses, sorry a bit tardy but spent a few fruitless days up past Dongara since starting this thread (too windy to get a line wet).

As usual I have plenty of food for thought to consider which will be top priority when I catch up back home.

Cheers to all - regards Phil
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