Generators, ah the serenity

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Free camped by the Murrumbidgee , at a place I won’t name at this point, my neighbour some 50 metres upwind has been running his generator solidly from about 10 am. Presumably to run an air conditioner as he has a solar panel as well which would adequately charge his batteries.
Am I being selfish in thinking his behaviour is not in the spirit of camp life.
I am not anti generators but if I were to run mine I would only do when camped well away from others.
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Reply By: Genny - Wednesday, Feb 24, 2021 at 17:28

Wednesday, Feb 24, 2021 at 17:28
50 metres? You'd need a parabolic microphone to pick it up! Reminds me of the old dears who used to complain about the nudies at Granite Bay (does that still go on?), they had to walk three and a half kilometers to be offended.
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Follow Up By: RMD - Wednesday, Feb 24, 2021 at 20:01

Wednesday, Feb 24, 2021 at 20:01
I can hear my Eu2 Honda while 50 metres away, can't you hear one too? A friend has a 2400 Yamaha and it is much noisier. Others even moreso!
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Follow Up By: Frank P (NSW) - Wednesday, Feb 24, 2021 at 20:57

Wednesday, Feb 24, 2021 at 20:57
No parabolic microphone needed. A generator upwind sends noise downwind and can be very annoying, especially in an otherwise quiet, peaceful campground.



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Reply By: OzzieCruiser - Wednesday, Feb 24, 2021 at 17:41

Wednesday, Feb 24, 2021 at 17:41
No different to living in suburbia with a noisy neighbour or in an area where building is under way. Noise rules vary but on a weekday noise is generally allowed from about 7.00 am to about 10.pm at night - so local Council noise rules apply irrespective of whether in the suburbs or in a camp area.

Yes annoys me as well but so do the builders working just down the road.
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Follow Up By: CSeaJay - Wednesday, Feb 24, 2021 at 22:18

Wednesday, Feb 24, 2021 at 22:18
Very different I recon.
We go away to find peaceful campsites. Away from burbs. We should be able to hear the birds not the generator, I recon that is a reasonable expectation.
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Reply By: Member - Warrie (NSW) - Wednesday, Feb 24, 2021 at 17:57

Wednesday, Feb 24, 2021 at 17:57
Was in a camp near Gladstone once and a certain genny was going without a muffler or so it sounded. He got a round of applause when it went off at 4 pm ish. Great idea to have 3 areas : gennies , tour groups and others who like quiet. Then all the genny owners can suffer together. I go outback to escape building site noise and the rat race. People who idle their smelly and toxic diesel so they can sit and text or use FB with the air con running are another bugbear. The ultimate peace and quiet is to camp by yourself.
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Reply By: Peter_n_Margaret - Wednesday, Feb 24, 2021 at 21:34

Wednesday, Feb 24, 2021 at 21:34
I suggest that most generator users have no idea what they are missing.
When you arrive at a quiet, remote campsite, all the wild life buggas off. Can't blame them.
Sit quiet for a day or 2 and they quietly creep back.
Run a genny and you will never find out what lives there.
Sad.
Not sure why some people go bush at all?
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Follow Up By: Aussie1 - Tuesday, Mar 02, 2021 at 12:42

Tuesday, Mar 02, 2021 at 12:42
We do not go bush to see wild life. If we desire to see animals (of any kind) we will visit a zoo.
Why do we go bush, easy, it is our choice, just as it is the choice of those that want to see wildlife. Wouldn't dream of "telling" others what they should or should not do or enjoy. ps. I have had wild life come near on one occasion (whilst the genny was running, which surprised me because I didn't think they enjoyed noise or vibration) Of the wriggly variety. It didn't stay long but, if you get my drift !
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Follow Up By: Frank P (NSW) - Tuesday, Mar 02, 2021 at 17:59

Tuesday, Mar 02, 2021 at 17:59
I don't think anyone "told" anyone anything in this whole thread other than suggest to be considerate about running generators.
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Follow Up By: Aussie1 - Tuesday, Mar 02, 2021 at 18:22

Tuesday, Mar 02, 2021 at 18:22
You have your interpretation and I have mine. But I was referring to the reasons for going bush ie. no reference there about generators at all. All good but. Cheers
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Reply By: nick g1 - Wednesday, Feb 24, 2021 at 21:36

Wednesday, Feb 24, 2021 at 21:36
Yes it is a pain. I have one but am very selective when l use it. I have 200m of leads to be able to take it away from other people.
Unfortunatly some people are not considerate. Some people also have no idea, or are too lazy, to setup a decent solar system to cater for there needs. But as we know no solar system will run an air con.
If you have the knowledge and the courage to walk over and control your rage, maybe you could educate him how to set up a decent solar system.
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Follow Up By: Member - Ross N (NSW) - Wednesday, Feb 24, 2021 at 21:50

Wednesday, Feb 24, 2021 at 21:50
Hi Nick g1
I have only done that once before when camped at the town common in Innaminka and a fellow camper ran his genny into the night so he could watch TV in his caravan.
I knocked on his door and complained.
His reply was we were not in a National Park so he could run his generator when he liked.
I said legally he was probably right but I knew that some people might take matters into their own hands and he might find his genny in the Cooper or with sugar in his petrol tank but that I would keep an eye out and let him know if anyone acted suspiciously around his camp.
Couldn’t hear the genny after that
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Follow Up By: Allan B (Sunshine Coast) - Wednesday, Feb 24, 2021 at 22:07

Wednesday, Feb 24, 2021 at 22:07
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A pair of side-cutters fixes it smartish.
Maybe best to use insulated handles.
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Follow Up By: RMD - Wednesday, Feb 24, 2021 at 23:23

Wednesday, Feb 24, 2021 at 23:23
Allan,
Is the wooden handled tomahawk or axle OK? Maybe a fibreglass one!
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Follow Up By: Bob Y. - Qld - Thursday, Feb 25, 2021 at 10:09

Thursday, Feb 25, 2021 at 10:09
Nick g1,

With the proliferation of lithium batteries, the use of house type solar panels & recent updates to inverter aircons, solar powered aircon is a reality!

Of course, the size of one’s system dictates the length of time the aircon can be run, but have read of some vans having sufficient capacity to cool the van during the hotter parts of the day. LG now make splits that can be adjusted for the amount of load needed.

Allan,

Heard a story from a friend a while back. A bloke was camped somewhere remote near Lake Eyre, and running his genny, positioned some distance from his van. At one stage, early in the night, the power went off momentarily, then came back on with an accompanying cough & fart from the genny. Later in the night, when he went to shut the genny off, he found someone had done a swap, leaving him a rather tired example.
Whether it’s fair dinkum or not, I know a few souls who would attempt something like this!

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Follow Up By: Batt's - Thursday, Feb 25, 2021 at 16:17

Thursday, Feb 25, 2021 at 16:17
200mts of leads have you ever used them you must have a massive generator because most generators have a limit to how long the lead should be unless your running 3 phase genny and by the time in reaches your van 200mts away it may have dropped to 240v.
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Follow Up By: Member - shane r1 - Thursday, Feb 25, 2021 at 18:16

Thursday, Feb 25, 2021 at 18:16
Bob Y
Probably an urban myth , as they call em
Bloody good story tho. Wouldn’t you be pissed off!
Might have to find an old buggered one just to play tricks!
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Reply By: Michael H9 - Wednesday, Feb 24, 2021 at 23:13

Wednesday, Feb 24, 2021 at 23:13
Often it isn't the noise that eats at you, it's the fact that the people are so inconsiderate doing it.
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Reply By: Member - nickb "boab" - Thursday, Feb 25, 2021 at 07:00

Thursday, Feb 25, 2021 at 07:00
I remember going into a park in the Kimberley that was divided into two sections generator & non generators there was only 3 in genny section & non genny section was packed so we opt for the much quieter genny section :)

But as mentioned you would have to be a bit sensitive if you were concerned about the very quiet Eu2 Honda generator type generator's
Unless you were the type of camper's that insist on camping on top of each other ..
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Follow Up By: mike39 - Thursday, Feb 25, 2021 at 10:29

Thursday, Feb 25, 2021 at 10:29
In our way of thinking, camping within or around, 50 metres of another camper is far to close for us. We try and get as far away from others as possible, only to have someone arrive and camp nearly on top of us.

When this happens I always approach them and advise I will be running a generator (Honda eu20) from around 4pm. until around 6.30pm. My other approach (especially if they have a little white "rat on a string") is to advise them I saw a large snake just before they arrived.
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Reply By: Member - Duncan2H - Thursday, Feb 25, 2021 at 07:52

Thursday, Feb 25, 2021 at 07:52
People are the worst.. and now so soft and needy of all creature comforts.
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Follow Up By: Jarse - Thursday, Feb 25, 2021 at 08:16

Thursday, Feb 25, 2021 at 08:16
Or, perhaps charging their batteries on a bad solar day in order to run medical equipment at night off their batteries :)

They aren't all needy.
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Follow Up By: Member - David M (SA) - Thursday, Feb 25, 2021 at 10:34

Thursday, Feb 25, 2021 at 10:34
If it's for medical equipment it's probably those bl--dy Gray Nomads again.
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Follow Up By: Peter_n_Margaret - Thursday, Feb 25, 2021 at 10:43

Thursday, Feb 25, 2021 at 10:43
I have friends, both of whom use CPap machines all night.
No generator.
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Follow Up By: Jarse - Thursday, Feb 25, 2021 at 16:33

Thursday, Feb 25, 2021 at 16:33
I'm not a grey nomad yet :D

Peter, I have good Li batteries and good solar. However, if parked up in one place for a few days in constant bad weather or poor solar, the batteries might need a topup around the 4th day.

I'm a considerate (albeit infrequent) generator user.
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Reply By: Aussie1 - Thursday, Feb 25, 2021 at 10:41

Thursday, Feb 25, 2021 at 10:41
The good news is that, according to one member on another forum stated recently that generators will be "banned' in the not to distant future ! In do not subscribe to that theory, they have to many benefits IMO.
Banned, I do not believe so. I may be wrong, but I doubt it :)
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Follow Up By: Batt's - Thursday, Feb 25, 2021 at 16:25

Thursday, Feb 25, 2021 at 16:25
Banned for what use running a van or your house when you loose power for days or people using mobile welders etc etc ?
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Follow Up By: Aussie1 - Thursday, Feb 25, 2021 at 16:43

Thursday, Feb 25, 2021 at 16:43
Cant answer that question Batt's sorry, perhaps you could ask the poster who made that claim. I silly claim at that IMO.
Good point though re using at home during power outages, we have done that often.
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Follow Up By: Member - Bigfish - Friday, Feb 26, 2021 at 09:01

Friday, Feb 26, 2021 at 09:01
I,m calling that as B.S....Plenty of laws in place for noise already. Still heaps of noisy cars, trucks, ski boats, motorbikes etc.etc..
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Follow Up By: Peter_n_Margaret - Friday, Feb 26, 2021 at 09:52

Friday, Feb 26, 2021 at 09:52
Slight confusion I suspect.
What is being banned (from new sales) is 2 strokes. Most generators are 4 stroke.
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Follow Up By: Aussie1 - Friday, Feb 26, 2021 at 10:14

Friday, Feb 26, 2021 at 10:14
And 4 stroke are just fine, that's good.
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Follow Up By: Peter_n_Margaret - Friday, Feb 26, 2021 at 10:19

Friday, Feb 26, 2021 at 10:19
For the time being?
They are still totally uncontrolled from an emissions/pollution perspective and that will change, sooner or later. And the sooner the better.
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Follow Up By: Aussie1 - Friday, Feb 26, 2021 at 10:26

Friday, Feb 26, 2021 at 10:26
Unfortunately for you, not in yours or my lifetime :)
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Reply By: qldcamper - Thursday, Feb 25, 2021 at 12:07

Thursday, Feb 25, 2021 at 12:07
I was once called out to a van to have a look at repairing a damaged charger, the microwave was also nackered but out of my field.
When I asked what happened to create this problem I was astounded at the story I got.
He and 2 other vans arrived at a site and set up in a triangle and set up a largish genset outside of the triangle and all shared it.
He admitted that they had complaints about the noise but they brushed it off.
Third day they started the genset and they went about doing their breakfasts.
They heard the genny rev right up and cracking sound from the now dead microwave.
Did a lot of damage to the 3 vans.
Should have heeded the warnings and not been a bunch of arrogant pr@#ks before someone over rode the gennys govenor and ran off.
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Reply By: Gramps - Thursday, Feb 25, 2021 at 16:52

Thursday, Feb 25, 2021 at 16:52
I wonder how long it will be before we hear of some "hero" who picks on the wrong generator. Could end up very costly.

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Follow Up By: Aussie1 - Thursday, Feb 25, 2021 at 17:23

Thursday, Feb 25, 2021 at 17:23
There appears to be a lot of "key board hero's" on these forums Gramps.
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Reply By: Ron A - Thursday, Feb 25, 2021 at 21:25

Thursday, Feb 25, 2021 at 21:25
As Mary Poppins sang...."just a spoonful of sugar makes the medicine go down"

There is a time and place for generators and 50 m from my camp is not the place.
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Reply By: Gronk - Thursday, Feb 25, 2021 at 23:00

Thursday, Feb 25, 2021 at 23:00
While I'm generally anti generators , if they would only set them up away from other campers, only use them to charge batteries during the day and..........

Nah, not going to happen.......most gennie users are older people who think the world revolves around them.
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Follow Up By: Michael H9 - Thursday, Feb 25, 2021 at 23:16

Thursday, Feb 25, 2021 at 23:16
The older people who are like that used to be younger people like that. Leopards don't change their spots, they just can't afford generators when they're young.
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Follow Up By: RMD - Friday, Feb 26, 2021 at 17:01

Friday, Feb 26, 2021 at 17:01
Gronk
But they could afford a noisey HSV V8 Commodore.
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Follow Up By: Gramps - Friday, Feb 26, 2021 at 17:52

Friday, Feb 26, 2021 at 17:52
RMD,

Nothing wrong with prioritizing the necessities of life.

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Reply By: Member - Bigfish - Friday, Feb 26, 2021 at 04:53

Friday, Feb 26, 2021 at 04:53
I carry a 1kva Yammie gennie. Very rarely use it and if I do have to charge batteries I try and do it midday-mid afternoon when most people are out and about. You,d have bloody good hearing to notice it at 50 meters.
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Follow Up By: Gronk - Friday, Feb 26, 2021 at 08:01

Friday, Feb 26, 2021 at 08:01
Mostly, unless there are very few campers around, background noise during the day muffles most good quality gennies......
I'm 25% deaf, and even with no hearing aids, I can hear a gennie at 50m easy as.
90% of people look for a bargain, so they buy a cheap ( noisy ) gennie.
A yammy or Honda are fairly quiet, but the owners still put them around the back of their vans, right where the other campers are ?
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Follow Up By: Member - Bigfish - Friday, Feb 26, 2021 at 09:04

Friday, Feb 26, 2021 at 09:04
I normally have mine about 20 meters away when using and everyone in camp normally happy with the very low level noise If anyone was to whinge about the noise from my gennie I,d tell them where to go. I,m careful when and where I use it.
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Follow Up By: Aussie1 - Friday, Feb 26, 2021 at 20:19

Friday, Feb 26, 2021 at 20:19
Sadly Bigfish, there are a number of our cobbers out there that are only happy when complaining. And yes, telling those who whinge where to go is a good solution :)
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Reply By: Member - john y - Friday, Feb 26, 2021 at 11:17

Friday, Feb 26, 2021 at 11:17
For those who recommend to deliberately damage someone's generator because they object to their usage I wonder what they would do to those campers who leave their cars on idle for hours on end or leave it running when breaking camp . I would suggest that the Anti Generator brigade might not be so anxious to threaten the perpetrators with property damage then.john y
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Reply By: Member - Tony T3 - Friday, Feb 26, 2021 at 19:09

Friday, Feb 26, 2021 at 19:09
The times, they are a'changing.
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Follow Up By: RMD - Friday, Feb 26, 2021 at 19:43

Friday, Feb 26, 2021 at 19:43
Is that true, HOW?
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Reply By: Iza B - Friday, Feb 26, 2021 at 19:49

Friday, Feb 26, 2021 at 19:49
Always reluctant to impose my ideas on others and do not get too upset at genny users running between, say 8 to about 4:30. I often camp on the water and particularly enjoy some quiet contemplation at the water's edge as the sun goes down. I do wonder at those who travel miles into the outback then set up the genny so they can sit inside all day and watch the footy.
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Follow Up By: Aussie1 - Friday, Feb 26, 2021 at 20:07

Friday, Feb 26, 2021 at 20:07
Iza B, Wonder no more my friend, it is called freedom of choice Cobber. Glad you are a poster who is reluctant to impose your ideas on others though. A good trait to have. Unlike some (not to mention any names) on these forums.
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Follow Up By: Gronk - Saturday, Feb 27, 2021 at 10:07

Saturday, Feb 27, 2021 at 10:07
If only the gennie users would run it between certain daylight hours, not directing the noise away from themselves onto other campers, then there wouldn't be a need for these type of posts !

No different to the music playing, fighting, yahooing at midnight type......some just can't go camping and have respect for others !!
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Reply By: Member - McLaren3030 - Saturday, Feb 27, 2021 at 08:39

Saturday, Feb 27, 2021 at 08:39
From my perspective, a Honda 2.2 KVA Generator weighs in at 20 kgs dry weight. Add to that fuel and oil, plus spare fuel and you easily have 25 kgs all up weight. I would rather use that weight to add another LiFePo4 battery, inverter and extra solar capacity.

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Follow Up By: Member - Ross N (NSW) - Saturday, Feb 27, 2021 at 09:33

Saturday, Feb 27, 2021 at 09:33
Makes a lot of sense, Macca
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Follow Up By: Gronk - Saturday, Feb 27, 2021 at 10:41

Saturday, Feb 27, 2021 at 10:41
That's exactly why people buy the $400 gennie from Supercheap.....cheap power, even if it pi**es everyone else off !! lol
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Follow Up By: Aussie1 - Saturday, Feb 27, 2021 at 10:51

Saturday, Feb 27, 2021 at 10:51
And isn't choice a wonderful thing in a "free camping" country :)
Weight is not a problem for us, just run the Honda on the tail gate of the Cruiser and as for extra fuel, I carry spare fuel for the V8 petrol Cruiser anyway. Nothing like "instant power" as a back up to our solar!
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Follow Up By: Gronk - Saturday, Feb 27, 2021 at 11:36

Saturday, Feb 27, 2021 at 11:36
In a free camping country, choice is great.
Pity some choose to think it's their right to do whatever they like when camping, as though it's an escape from their normal life when there are rules and laws to obey....

Yrs ago, it was find a private property that would let you camp, and you could run amok and do whatever you liked....then a few would roll a ute and kill a few and the private property owners got scared of litigation and ban them, so some do the same stuff at campgrounds.
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Follow Up By: Aussie1 - Saturday, Feb 27, 2021 at 11:56

Saturday, Feb 27, 2021 at 11:56
Steady on Cobber, No one is suggesting laws are being broken using generators (unless there is an "officially authorised sign" stating "no generators". And as for rules, well, just who's rules are you referring to, yours perhaps, or our Cobber who is hanging out for the "ban" to come into play lol
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Follow Up By: Member - McLaren3030 - Saturday, Feb 27, 2021 at 13:11

Saturday, Feb 27, 2021 at 13:11
The rule of common sense and respecting others.

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Follow Up By: OzzieCruiser - Saturday, Feb 27, 2021 at 13:29

Saturday, Feb 27, 2021 at 13:29
And the serenity brigade who think they have a god given right to their serenity even when it is legal to make noise are not respecting the right of others to make that noise - swings both ways.
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Follow Up By: Gronk - Saturday, Feb 27, 2021 at 14:13

Saturday, Feb 27, 2021 at 14:13
And the serenity brigade who think they have a god given right to their serenity even when it is legal to make noise are not respecting the right of others to make that noise - swings both ways.



Made plenty of noise in my time...even been told to quieten down at 1am for talking around a campfire, but as said before respect and common sense is all thats needed.

It's not against the law to sing and dance at 3am either, but most "normal" people wouldn't do it at a campground with other people around !!
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Follow Up By: Allan B (Sunshine Coast) - Saturday, Feb 27, 2021 at 14:25

Saturday, Feb 27, 2021 at 14:25
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Ah, AussieC. You seem to be a bit confused. There are no legislated "rights to make noise"
However there are laws about making 'too much' noise.
But you are very unlikely to get booked for making too little noise.

"Hey Mate. Hold that serenity down a bit. It's getting on my nerves". lol
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Follow Up By: Member - PhilD_NT - Saturday, Feb 27, 2021 at 14:42

Saturday, Feb 27, 2021 at 14:42
Actually Gronk, excessive noise at any time of the can be shut down by the Police. Been there, done that.

A Government Department wanted to do a 24hr test on a bore about 30 metres from our house and the day before their worker told us about it and said we should either stay with friends or a Hotel/Motel. Came home the next day to a truck mounted, unsilenced, diesel generator that was very loud. Went and confirmed their intentions and said that I would call the Police. Police came and agreed with us and went to the crew who initially refused to shut it down so Police told them that they would get their boss to call the workers boss and order it shut down. Workers called their boss and there was silence very soon afterwards. They didn't return to run test.

Trouble is that was quite some time ago and the Police here are so overworked and understaffed these days that I doubt we would get prompt attendance from them for such minor matters.
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Follow Up By: Batt's - Wednesday, Mar 03, 2021 at 01:21

Wednesday, Mar 03, 2021 at 01:21
I would take the generator over the lithium battery unless it can run the A/C on a sweltering hot night or day anytime. I don't see the sence in these modern times why someone would spend a lot of money on a nice van only to be sweaty and hot all night and wake up irratable and tired ruining the whole next day when on holidays what a waste of money and time. If you can afford the extra to be comfortable then why not but yes be considerate where you set up.



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Reply By: Aussie1 - Sunday, Feb 28, 2021 at 11:10

Sunday, Feb 28, 2021 at 11:10
This whole conversation is really getting quite boring now IMO. It is my view that those that use (and enjoy) generators will continue to do so. Those that do not use (and don't enjoy) generators will continue to whinge and remain saddened and frustrated at their attempts to change us users. Not going to happen by the way. To them I say, stick with the knowledge that our Cobber who wants them bannned will continue the fight on all of your behalves and you can just chill and focus on pure enjoyments in life :)
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Follow Up By: Allan B (Sunshine Coast) - Sunday, Feb 28, 2021 at 12:21

Sunday, Feb 28, 2021 at 12:21
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Ahh Aussie1, one can always trek to the Great Victoria Desert, pick a spot to camp, and enjoy the absolute benefit of having no neighbours for kilometres around. Ahhhh, the serenity of it all.
See you there Cobber! lol
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Follow Up By: OzzieCruiser - Sunday, Feb 28, 2021 at 14:55

Sunday, Feb 28, 2021 at 14:55
Andrun your 500w 2 stroke Chinese genny to your hearts content without those whinning serenity seekers whinging.
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