East Coast Mid Nth Coast NSW Flooding.

" Tim F, will blame it on you know what soon! "

Hey RMD - I remember a program where your mate Tim and his mate John Doyle were sitting on a large escarpment in central Australia somewhere discussing how that area was once an inland sea.
John Doyle then asked Tim "what caused the inland sea to disappear ? "

Mr F replied - " It was a freak of nature John, a freak of nature "

So it looks like the flooding of the east coast and mid coast NSW must be another freak of nature :)

Cheers
Gazz

Gazz
Yep! definitely a freak of nature is our Tim.
Tim, full name Timothy, Fridtjof, Flannery. born 1956, Australian zoologist, palaeontologist and then somehow environmentalist. Began as a Zoologist and Palaentologist but made a name for himself after gaining notoriety as an environmentalist which he isn't qualified in. The ABC is a believer though.

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"Fridtjof"?? Really??
But you don't need to be qualified.
Who on this forum has a degree in solar panels for instance?
Or much else for that matter? lol

People are quite happy to pick one person as the sole argument to debunk mountains of scientific evidence....well maybe two if you count Al Gore. The fact is nobody knows but it's obvious we're wrecking the environment.

Michael
That one person gets airtime to state " the rain that does fall won't fill the dams or rivers anymore".Well, tell that to the people who's house floated down the river yesterday, or the ones watching the Warragamba dam FULL and overflowing at a fast rate. Do we see him helping those affected by floods?

RMD, have a look beyond the 100km coastal fringe and you will see most of the dams are still very low. Major dams around northern NSW are 20-45%, in Qld even lower and there has been very little irrigation this summer and minimal opportunities for overland flow harvesting.
Mark

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Exactly Mark.

"One swallow does not a summer make"..... Aristotle.

RMD - I don't care what Flannery says, but dismissing "you know what" because his predictions are false isn't sound. The whole denier case is usually built on tearing down one or two people and ignoring the mass of scientists who support the theory. I only support climate change measures for one reason, they just about 100% align with environmental conservation ideals.

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It may well be fashionable to debunk climate change, but what if it is true and we have ignored it?
It is comparable to ignoring a Road Closed sign and finding yourself plunging over a cliff.
Taking action to mitigate climate change can do no harm but disregard it at your peril.

I think the only thing pushing climate change denial is money. Being environmentally conscious hinders big business profits and hits normal people with increased expenses. People don't like that at all so you get a lot of propaganda flooding the media saying it's all a hoax. People want to believe the propaganda even though the environmental degradation is staring them straight in the face. It's the eternal battle between good and money.....err, I mean evil. :-)

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Not just money Michael. There is also fear of a threatening event.
Some people will deal with intangible fear by disregarding it, even denying its very existence.
Some may even continue to ignore or deny it when it becomes tangible.
Their discomfort or fear overrides rationality and can cause unreasonable behaviour.

Then there are those who elect to debunk expert opinion in an attempt to appear more astute.

Flannery, Gillard, Turnbull, Rudd and a few others high profile folk, all bought houses seaside, or estuary river side, after telling the population of impending flooding and climate change, etc. Why did these learned people each buy multimillion $ housing, right in the path of it, if they were to be soon affected by sea rise? Doing that is contrary to what they were telling the Australian people. OR didn't they really believe it will happen and were conning us to some degree? Look after the planet YES, but in much earlier times the CO2 level was much higher then, than today, according to the scientists. We are better to create work, prosper, and control our emissions wisely, rather than creating any involved CO2 or associated pollution in China by buying wind turbines and solar panels from them. We self flagellate for no gain while they also whip us senseless as we give them our cash.

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I can't and won't argue with emotions but I will address facts.

The last time that the Earth's atmosphere had a higher CO2 level than now was more than 10 million years ago, before human existence. Push the CO2 level up there again and we may be post human existence.

Another fact or two - Last time CO2 levels were up there was a lot more vegetation and biomass on the surface and in the oceans to maintain the equilibrium...160 odd million years ago the planet stored the excess solar energy the planet was accumulating from high atmospheric CO2 levels in the fossil fuels we now use today. That cant happen in these times, with most of the planets air conditioning system (vegetation) now removed.

They've raised Warragamba Dam's wall a lot since 1890.... :-)

1955 was the worst flood since records have been kept.
The science agreed by credible environmental scientists world wide is indisputable today as it was 15years ago. The reactions to climate change by some are totally understandable. Our school kids get it and if we have time, will be faced with radical choices to say the least. The CO2 monitoring station in Hawaii shows a graph of CO2 levels complemented by Antarctic drill samples that go back to the industrial revolution. The combined correlation shows steep recent CO2 increases that are almost vertical (with a blip due to Covid19)

Cheers

I live at South west Rocks at the mouth of the Macleay river mid nth coast & my daughter lives at Smithtown & this flood is very mild compared to years gone by in this area