Live axles v's IFS

Well said Goran!
Who wants to spend all the money and have "limitations" and watch the live axles guys go all over the place.. :)

What do they say,
believe half of what you see,
and a third of what you read ;-)

Tyres would make a bigger difference than any other factor, including suspension. A Prado with MT's will out do a Patrol with HT's every time even though the Nissan has far better suspension.

Steve.

I thought it was a pretty good report, simpply stated the facts and told us what we already knew; in the real hard stuff IFS doesn't mix it with beam axles (note I own an IFS vehicle, understand its limlitaions and love it).

Floyd you have some relevant points, but all things being equal, beam axles bog all over IFS in the serious stuff. Given that the "serious stuff" equals a minute portion of my vehicular travel, I tolerate the the limitations of my Terracan because it suits my needs as fine mode of transport in a variety of conditions.

Floyd I am taking a wild guess here but my Tarot Cards LOL tell me that you are a Toyota owner. Brand loyalty is not important in the big scheme of life.

Jim.

Floyd.....

You asked...."What is the purpose of this post? Are you trying to be smart? It is a pretty meaningless one. "

I think you need to refer to a vibrant discussion (polite speak for "argument") a few days or a week ago.

Somebody was stating that IFS was the ducks guts and who needed live axles anyway......or words to that effect.

Well mate, this story is the sort of anecdotal evidence that proves the value of live axles. I have had a similar story when i did a Cape York trip in 2002; but it related to tyre choices and diff lock on the front of my Patrol. You are quite correct when you talk about tyres being a factor. The initial post here does not mention such things, unfortunately.
However, assuming (and it's a big assumption , i know) all things were equal, it seems to bear out the argument that live axles are "better" than ifs in these sorts of situations. You would have thought, for example, that the blokes in the LC or Lexus, would have said something to each other over the radio like....."oh those bloody Nissans have got Centipedes" (or whatever) if that was the case and they could justify within their own minds why their expensive cars could not match the Nissan trucks' performance/s.
Just my 2 cents worth.........I love my live axles, my front airlocker and my ultra-dependable Nissan LSD.....

Cheers mate

floydy.
bye the looks of your rude response one would think you would be the owner of a useless ifs cruiser.

I reckon Floyed you are an early 80 series big end blowing turbo D wanna bee. Sure nissans blow engines.....but so did toyota....and now they blow diffs and gearboxes......

Leroy

Floyd,

The purpose of the post was not to brag but to simply state what happened on the day. As for driver skills not sure how experienced the other guys were but my mate in the other Nissan used to own a IFS Hilux
and could not do the same tracks as I was doing previously but rest assured he now doing along side me with ease. I don't think his driver skill has gotten any better just a better vehicle. As for tyres yes we have AT's on but they are by no means aggressive and would offer slightly better traction than the standard tyres that would be on a LC or Lexus although I did not take much notice of what they were running. My vehicle is a 2000 model and yes I have had a few problems but nothing like a gear box failure or engine failure. My mates is a 2003 3lt and to date not 1 thing wrong with it.

As for your comment and I quote ' Na Na NANANA to IFS " I was merely stating what happened on the day. We were not the ones hacking off at other vehicles as stated by LC and Lexus "those Nissans will never make it up here" we were simply having fun in a wonderful environment. I am sorry if I offended you.

May I ask what vehicle you are currently running?
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Hey Goona Head, I was not "having a go" I couldn't give a $hit about what you have written. Just wanted to know the facts. It seems from the responses that I was not the only one that thinks that you were saying "NA NA NANANA". Maybe you should have written the post a bit better.

My Vehicles are:

2002 Troop Carrier

Ill Try again, Not sure what happened.

Hey Goona Head, I was not "having a go" I couldn't give a $hit about what you have written. Just wanted to know the facts. It seems from the responses that I was not the only one that thinks that you were saying "NA NA NANANA". Maybe you should have written the post a bit better.

My Vehicles are (for what its worth):

2002 Troop Carrier (Solid axles)
Current model Turbo Hilux (IFS)
HJ61 12HT (solid Axles)
Current Model 3.8 Pajero (IFS)
Holden Commadore (solid axle)

You have answered your own questions about why some vehicles struggled with your point on tyre types. The standard tyres on Toyotas and Nissans are actually made to suit the common denominator buyer and their usage. This is actually calculated by the marketers at 95% on road 5% off road. An AT tyre is far more superior to anything that would be provided new on a car. This is where ALL of the difference is when climbing wet hills. Next time your posts would be more informative if you give us all of the facts not just the ones that justify your vehicle purchase choice.

You may not have been the one "hacking off at other vehicles as stated by LC and Lexus "those Nissans will never make it up here" on the day, but you were having a go in the post.

I have owned both Toyoyas , Nissans, and Mitsubishis and couldnt give a $hit about any of them. The are just cars. Its the BS that flows in these posts and the lack of facts in stupid posts like these that is a waste of space on one of the top 4WD forums in the country.

If you wanted an argument on Nissan Vs Toyota or IFS vs Solid I am not interested. I reiterate my comment.though, just do a search on this or any of the number of 4WD forums and checkout all of the blown motors, fuel pump probs, sensor probs, brake probs etc... for Patrols built in the last 5 years and you may see a reason why some people buy other brands.

You certainly have not offended me. My skin is pretty thick. Just stop watsing our time with crap and give us all of the variables so the post has some merit. Actually I am not sure why I even answered you in the first place. Truckster would say that I have been caught by a fisherman Trolling. See ya. Going skiing for 2 hours. The sun is out and all lifts are operating.

Gee Floyd,

For someone that doesn't give ableepyou sure have got a bee in your bonnet about something.

a little of topic but there Talking of advertising did you see till the end of june the terracan comes with free side steps and nudge bar do I feel rip not waiting a couple of weeks to see what the end of finanical year sale was, even asked the dealer if there was going to be any specials and his reply was no should not of listened and waited a week or 2 also looks like I will have a gps for the weekend as well got some more maps on cd today another happy ifs owner after owning a gq patrol once I put the lift kit in my terracan and bigger tyres bring on the ruff stuff will try anything then all with ifs

here here

I agree too. A lot of this comes down to drivers abilities, types of tyres and tyre pressures.

Finally someone talking with fact and common sense. Good on you.

I would also like to say that even if those formentioned vehicles did have less traction than the Nissans, by the sounds of them they were a couple of wallies anyway with more money than brains and probally wouldn't know one end of a transfer leaver from the other.
I would have loved to have been there and offered to drive one up for them... Bet you I would have got to the top no worries.