This is why you never drive through water over a road.

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The picture tells its own story.

From today’s extensive rains, the road was washed away approaching Woomera from Pimba.
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Reply By: Kenell - Sunday, Jan 23, 2022 at 08:03

Sunday, Jan 23, 2022 at 08:03
Lock in the diffs and - here, hold my beer. :)
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Follow Up By: thinkin - Sunday, Jan 23, 2022 at 09:20

Sunday, Jan 23, 2022 at 09:20
Looks like a public road. What's this "hold my beer attitude". Any road conditions should be taken seriously.
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Follow Up By: AlbyNSW - Sunday, Jan 23, 2022 at 10:40

Sunday, Jan 23, 2022 at 10:40
It is called humour. You should try it sometime it is good for your soul :)
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Follow Up By: thinkin - Sunday, Jan 23, 2022 at 11:21

Sunday, Jan 23, 2022 at 11:21
I understand humour, I have a good sense of humour. There is no sense of humour in suggesting to be having a beer while driving. Thanks for your concerned of my soul.
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Follow Up By: Kazza055 - Sunday, Jan 23, 2022 at 11:40

Sunday, Jan 23, 2022 at 11:40
I agree, you should never drink while driving, you spill too much. ;=)
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Follow Up By: Michael H9 - Sunday, Jan 23, 2022 at 11:52

Sunday, Jan 23, 2022 at 11:52
"Hold my beer" is a newish colloquial expression said by an unthinking person about to do something dangerous or stupid. It doesn't literally mean "hold my beer", just the same way that "holy crap" doesn't actually mean a pile of crap that's been blessed by a priest.
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Follow Up By: Member - Wooly - Sunday, Jan 23, 2022 at 13:52

Sunday, Jan 23, 2022 at 13:52
Perhaps he is just over-thinkin things???
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Follow Up By: Aussie1 - Sunday, Jan 23, 2022 at 14:17

Sunday, Jan 23, 2022 at 14:17
I'm Thinkin he does not understand humour at all. Perhaps could use a couple of Terms at "smile school" :)
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Follow Up By: OzzieCruiser - Sunday, Jan 23, 2022 at 19:28

Sunday, Jan 23, 2022 at 19:28
Here we go again - silly old farts at 10 paces. Some people need to get a life.
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Follow Up By: Hoyks - Sunday, Jan 23, 2022 at 20:35

Sunday, Jan 23, 2022 at 20:35
Can it still be considered a public road when the road isn't there anymore?


asking for a friend....

Also, by getting someone else to hold the beer would ensure he couldn't drink it.
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Follow Up By: Member Kerry W (Qld) - Thursday, Jan 27, 2022 at 09:30

Thursday, Jan 27, 2022 at 09:30
My god! What has happened to our Aussie sense of humour - thank God for ExplorOz, Vietnam Veterans, Miners, Cockies (farmers) and anybody else who lived outside the nanny state and
is old enough to know that taking the p($$ is what really made Australia the place it is today.
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Reply By: Member - David M (SA) - Sunday, Jan 23, 2022 at 12:38

Sunday, Jan 23, 2022 at 12:38
Looks like Spud's will be busy for a few days Stephen. :)
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Follow Up By: Stephen L (Clare) SA - Sunday, Jan 23, 2022 at 17:47

Sunday, Jan 23, 2022 at 17:47
More than a few Dave.

They say it will be at least a week before it can be repaired.

Then there is the massive damage to roads on the Eyre Highway.
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Reply By: Member - mechpete - Sunday, Jan 23, 2022 at 13:36

Sunday, Jan 23, 2022 at 13:36
shit hey thats serious
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Follow Up By: Stephen L (Clare) SA - Sunday, Jan 23, 2022 at 17:49

Sunday, Jan 23, 2022 at 17:49
Water was over the road as far back as the speed limit sign..

Imagine some idiot thinking it was safe to drive through and then hitting that nearly 1 metre section of wash out road….could have been very serious.
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Reply By: lkyphl - Sunday, Jan 23, 2022 at 18:51

Sunday, Jan 23, 2022 at 18:51
It would have been interesting to see that portion of road when covered with water to see if there was a section of noticeably greater turbulence,

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Follow Up By: Kazza055 - Sunday, Jan 23, 2022 at 19:14

Sunday, Jan 23, 2022 at 19:14
I would imagine that once the dam gave way the water level would have dropped very quickly and the flow would have been very noticeable.
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Reply By: RMD - Sunday, Jan 23, 2022 at 19:49

Sunday, Jan 23, 2022 at 19:49
Stephen.
Looks like it was fairly porous and eroded under the bitumen and it lifted and washed very quickly. Were there pipes there originally?
I have seen some speeding blokes who have overtaken me who would jump that!
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Follow Up By: axle - Sunday, Jan 23, 2022 at 21:16

Sunday, Jan 23, 2022 at 21:16
All you need now is a Landrover RMD!...


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Follow Up By: Bob Y. - Qld - Monday, Jan 24, 2022 at 06:38

Monday, Jan 24, 2022 at 06:38
A set of 3 pipes there originally, Ross. Maybe they’ll put in a group of box culverts now?

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Follow Up By: Stephen L (Clare) SA - Monday, Jan 24, 2022 at 08:05

Monday, Jan 24, 2022 at 08:05
Not sure if it’s been posted in other states, but you should see sections of the Eyre Highway.

Water under the bitumen and lifted it like a giant jumping pillow.
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Follow Up By: RMD - Monday, Jan 24, 2022 at 12:44

Monday, Jan 24, 2022 at 12:44
Stephen
I wonder if they were plastic pipes. Seeing the road base thickness is relatively small, the height of road base above the pipes is small and if plastic, the passing truck loads flex the whole substrate and it is just sitting there but not really solid. Any water seeps through and it becomes mush in no time then washes away shortly after.

The failure on the Stuart where the B Double caught fire and melted the big plastic pipes and the supporting concrete arches had no support, and I think it was 3 sections fell in. No real integrity to begin with.

As mentioned in another reply, most likely will be concrete soon.
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Follow Up By: Stephen L (Clare) SA - Monday, Jan 24, 2022 at 15:17

Monday, Jan 24, 2022 at 15:17
There were from memory 3 large concrete pipes.

They have said on the radio they they are working non stop to get at least one car width open with a couple of days, as Roxby is now isolated from the outside world and as expected, the only supermarket is fast running out of supplies.
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Reply By: Michael ( Moss Vale NSW) - Sunday, Jan 23, 2022 at 19:53

Sunday, Jan 23, 2022 at 19:53
Are you sure that's Woomera? i think it's part of the new Moat system that's being dug around the Queensland borders. The foreground is NSW...
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Follow Up By: b1b - Sunday, Jan 23, 2022 at 21:35

Sunday, Jan 23, 2022 at 21:35
could be around W A, new border restrictions from Premier M Mc.
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Follow Up By: Aussie1 - Monday, Jan 24, 2022 at 10:31

Monday, Jan 24, 2022 at 10:31
Could possibly be so, but as long as it works, it's ok with us in WA :)
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Follow Up By: Member - PhilD_NT - Monday, Jan 24, 2022 at 13:28

Monday, Jan 24, 2022 at 13:28
So Aussie1 I guess they can stop all those trucks and trains that head West as there's nothing in them of any value to WA people?
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Follow Up By: Aussie1 - Monday, Jan 24, 2022 at 17:18

Monday, Jan 24, 2022 at 17:18
Good one Phil_NT,

And perhaps we could stop all the GST and general financial benefit we send over to the Eastern states. If you hadn't noticed ours is the only economy keeping Oz functioning.

Chill Cobber and just enjoy all the benefits we provide :)

Best if you do keep those trucks and trains "rollin" eh.

We still luv's yus all over there and often think how lucky we are over here.

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Follow Up By: Allan B (Sunshine Coast) - Monday, Jan 24, 2022 at 18:10

Monday, Jan 24, 2022 at 18:10
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Aw c'mon guys. We are all irritable with this Covid thing, but stop with the mud-slinging.
It's bad enough that the pollies are sniping at each other but we are all in it together so just be grateful that you are still alive.
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Follow Up By: Aussie1 - Monday, Jan 24, 2022 at 18:18

Monday, Jan 24, 2022 at 18:18
Awe Gee Allan, He started it :):):):) And I'm the one who said we Luvs him :)

Must say I just love your part of OZ.

Cheers Cobber.
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Reply By: Bazooka - Sunday, Jan 23, 2022 at 20:53

Sunday, Jan 23, 2022 at 20:53
Impressive. Don't see any warning signs up the road.

Presumably they'll be putting in large culverts this time.
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Follow Up By: RMD - Sunday, Jan 23, 2022 at 22:39

Sunday, Jan 23, 2022 at 22:39
Bazooka
The church just up the road had a sign, it said, "turn your life around now, before it is too late" Obviously enough prior warning!
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Follow Up By: Bazooka - Monday, Jan 24, 2022 at 11:53

Monday, Jan 24, 2022 at 11:53
Saw that but read it as turn your WIFE around. She's not keen on muddy water crossings or steep hillclimbs/descents. Too bad for atheists and agnostics who make up ~half the population.
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Reply By: Banjo (WA) - Monday, Jan 24, 2022 at 09:21

Monday, Jan 24, 2022 at 09:21
I'm no trying to be smart and see the point of the advice, 'don't drive through water over a road' based on that photo.

But, wouldn't that be an exceptional result of water over the road. Over the years I have myself driven through water, and seen countless numbers of others do the same. Ye gods, I was probably holding my own beer too!

Does that make me, or them, foolish?
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Follow Up By: Stephen L (Clare) SA - Monday, Jan 24, 2022 at 12:47

Monday, Jan 24, 2022 at 12:47
The flow of water there and through the Flinders can only be described as raging torrents and when like that, only fools try to drive through.

Here is also a picture of a Hilux trying to cross a raging creek, south of Leigh Creek in the same floodwaters over the weekend.

The water they say way over a metre deep, a raging torrent, yet the guy thought he would get through.

The Hilux was swept away and swept 80 metres downstream before being lodge against a River Red Gum. Lucky for the drive, he had his yellow flashing light on and it was the only way the SES could find him.
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Reply By: Stephen L (Clare) SA - Monday, Jan 24, 2022 at 13:27

Monday, Jan 24, 2022 at 13:27
It was not just the northern part of our state that had massive rainfall.

Here is another photo of why the main Eyre Highway is also closed to all traffic e between Port Augusta and Kimba.
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Follow Up By: Life Member - Duncan W (WA) - Monday, Jan 24, 2022 at 14:22

Monday, Jan 24, 2022 at 14:22
A bit of rain in Perth would be nice but not that much.

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Follow Up By: Stephen L (Clare) SA - Monday, Jan 24, 2022 at 15:20

Monday, Jan 24, 2022 at 15:20
A lot of those places received in excess of 200mm of rain, while down in the Mid North where I live in Clare, only 32mm of rain.

Many part even further south received no rain at all, so was mainly in the pastoral areas.

Also Trevor Wright was also non the radio this morning and said that the Simpson Desert got a lot of that raid as well, with many of the swales under water.
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Follow Up By: Member - Outback Gazz - Monday, Jan 24, 2022 at 16:19

Monday, Jan 24, 2022 at 16:19
Well there's no way I would have driven through one metre deep fast flowing water !

But where people come unstuck in situations like that is they don't realise that most 4wd's have the spare wheel under the car at the rear and that becomes a big floatation device and soon lifts the rear wheels off the ground letting the flowing water push the rear of the car down stream - usually ending up in big big trouble !

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Follow Up By: RMD - Monday, Jan 24, 2022 at 19:56

Monday, Jan 24, 2022 at 19:56
Gazz.
Does an inflated tyre/wheel float or sink or have marginal flotation and negligible effect. Some float, sort of, some sink. All depends on tyre section and displacement for wheel total weight.
Most vehicles have a lighter open flaoation team and a non sealed heavy engine end which is the end underwater first. The rear floats because largey because of body floatation.
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Follow Up By: Member - Outback Gazz - Monday, Jan 24, 2022 at 22:16

Monday, Jan 24, 2022 at 22:16
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All I can say to that RMD is that back in 2012 when my brand new 3 month old stock az PX Ranger super cab with no snorkel crossed the Deua River with water covering the bonnet and half way across the slow flowing river the rear end just started floating and pushed my new pride and joy down stream. Luckily my experience stopped me from panicking and with the front wheels still on the river bed and still driving I just kept the bow wave going along with the steady and slow momentum and prayed to god that Ford's advertised 800mm wading depth wasn't bull$hitt and my new to me insurance company would buy me a new ute should it end up in Victoria lol.

Made it to the other side with much relief and semi soiled undies lol

After that the decision was made to attach a snatch strap to the other two utes in the group and use the big Patrol with a six inch lift running 35 inch tyres to help them across should they end up in the same situation as me should it be required. Best decision as they both started floating down stream faster than I did.

My passenger and good friend has a pic so I will try and get it and post it here.

" Does an inflated tyre/wheel float or sink or have marginal flotation and negligible effect. Some float, sort of, some sink. All depends on tyre section and displacement for wheel total weight.
Most vehicles have a lighter open flaoation team and a non sealed heavy engine end which is the end underwater first. The rear floats because largey because of body floatation. "

In my situation at the time I couldn't have given a $$hitt about that nor did I have time to google it whilst in the middle of the river !!!

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Follow Up By: Allan B (Sunshine Coast) - Monday, Jan 24, 2022 at 22:38

Monday, Jan 24, 2022 at 22:38
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RMD,
It makes no difference if the tyre/wheel floats or not. The buoyancy effect is a function of the weight of water displaced by it.
The tyre/wheel, when bolted on, becomes an integral part of the whole vehicle and cannot be considered alone other than for its volume.
The significance of the tyre/wheel under the vehicle is that, being lower, it becomes the first part of the vehicle mass to be submerged and thus the initial point of buoyancy.

But, as you say, the engine bay being open has less buoyancy effect but plenty of weight so the rear wheels will be the first to lose traction and get pushed sideways by a torrent.

When fording, it is an advantage to maintain reasonable forward speed, especially if 'wearing a bra', to create a bow wave and accompanying following basin to reduce the buoyancy effect. The Troopy was great at this as it was heavy and high clearance. Mine didn't have a tyre underneath but it did have a couple of large fuel tanks, so I needed to keep her moving!
And no cracks about the "bra" if you please!!
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Reply By: Peter_n_Margaret - Monday, Jan 24, 2022 at 19:10

Monday, Jan 24, 2022 at 19:10
All this talk about "NEVER drive through water over a road" .....
Fact is, most of us do it on a regular basis, I know I do.
The point is to have an appreciation about when it is probably OK and when it is likely NOT OK. But even then it is possible to stuff up.
Often, the best response is to stay right in the water on the road because it is hard underneath and driving around the water can quickly get you into BIG trouble.
Fast running water when it is not usually there should be avoided like the plauge.


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Follow Up By: Stephen L (Clare) SA - Monday, Jan 24, 2022 at 20:01

Monday, Jan 24, 2022 at 20:01
Very different when the Stuart Highway was all natural dirt, no pipes under the road, no culverts and the like

Your pictures just show still pooled water that in most cases had a solid bottom from being compacted from thousands of cars over the years.

My original post was regarding fast moving water that is capable of and did wash vehicles off the road.

As for your pictures, we had to do the very same thing when it was still dirt and flooded. When it came to the long sections under water, we walked it first to make sure there were no hidden traps.
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