'Self Containment' requirements .....

I have found this being self contained, and not allowed to stay at certain places really works against me as a bicycletourist. It is something I do partime( or used to do, not much in the last two years), and have been moved on by Karens when I have just arrived at said camping area, because obviously I haven't got a toilet or shower on board. They tell you about another place 50 km down the road, where you can camp, not realising it is 4pm and a 50km distance for me is 5 hours of riding, meaning I have to ride in the dark( which is one of the most dangerous things can do on bike after dark in Australia) I have been moved on numerous times, both on the bike and with our van and now campertrailer. With our campertrailer and van, we have always had a Porta Potty, that gives us about the same range as a van cassette. We have a portable shower invented by a young Aussie bloke, that only uses 1 litre of water for 2 people, and his special shower mat, that doesn't let water escape, and just air dries( no drips) in 1 hour. But apparently none of this is good enough.

I think your comment on camper trailers and tents users being "riff raff" is a bit harsh. Surely you are not putting all of us in the same boat. For instance we have a 50l grey water tank under the trailer for the kitchen. We don't shower hence no grey water, when we stop at a caravan park for a night to replenish and fill tanks, we book a cabin for such things as having a great shower and rest in comfort. As for no2's we carry a portapottie which is emptied at a caravan dump point. As for having a pee, I bet that you have used a tree or two in your life time. Yes there may be the odd person who doesn't care about the wilderness, and for those your comment may be purposeful. There are many travellers that do do the right thing.

Ha Ha. GarryR you should look at the pic at the bottom of my post showing our travel rig. It is a camper trailer. We travel much the same as you do (although have no grey water tank). We use minimal water & create minimal waste. We also use a Portapotti & empty it appropriately in appropriate places wjether a dump point or a hole in the ground well away from camp areas & water courses. Whether we choose a flannel wash or a shower should be no business of those who are responsible for free camps, the expectations should be about behaviour, not 'onboard facilities. We consider that we are folk who do the right thing & to be excluded from a site because we don't have an onboard shower was ludicrous. You have got the wrong end of the stick. We do not consider ourselves, or folk who travel like us to be 'riff raff', but we do think that those who treat us as such & seek to exclude us in favour of travellers with fancy motorhomes & caravans is indeed a bit harsh. To exclude travellers who are poor, disadvantaged, in cars, on motorcycles, on foot, on bicycles, or anything else from sites which for decades have been available for all, in favour of those with the money to afford fancy RV's is .......pure & simply ........wrong in my book.

I am sorry if I miss understood your comment. But you are right about those of us that do the right thing and being excluded due to not being up market as you described. Thanks for the response back, and my I did not mean to offend your comment, it was just the way I read it.

No offence taken at all Gary.

Hope things are beginning to warm up a bit for you down there in Gippsland. We miss our previous home down there in the Strzelecki ranges (Callignee South) like crazy, but not the temperatures, having acclimatised to the tropical north during our travels over the past few years.

Yep still cold and damp but not the severe frosts o the past. We are gearing up now for another trip in November. I just came back from Townsville after a week with family. Boy o boy what a temperature shock.

Totally agree Dick, that is the biggest failing of apps such as WikiCamps that are “user updated”, someone enters incorrect or inaccurate information, and it just gets repeated “ad infinitum”.

Macca.

And going by the amount of“ white flags” left about it is the females that are not doing the right thing

Rather than this draconian move to being self sufficient there should be an awareness campaign going of how unacceptable it is to leave white flags

Unfortunately what some camp site managers/local councils fail to understand is that having a full self-contained vehicle is no guarantee that it's owners are not grubs. Some of the worst behaviour I have seen has been from ignorant, entitled motorhome & caravan owners. Dumping a large & full stinking grey water tank on their site just prior to leaving, grey water hoses hanging over the banks into the rivers, piling up their rubbish around overflowing rubbish bins after first trying to scare away the crows etc etc.

Cuppa, saw that the other day in Ceduna, bloke in the flashest rig I have seen, opens grey water drain just before he drove off, amazing disregard for others.