Unbelievable

Yep rich lying bastards.
1800 people will be annoying the shit out of their regulator supplier cause the wont pit out what their rated at.

Allan, I like this bit............

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John, I had not scrolled down that far. That truly is unbelievable!!!!

beware of chip crack, because "on fire" results .....

Gotta love "Chinglish"...Amazon listings are full of it nowadays.

Installed my flexible panels (no air gap) from Solar4rv in August 2014. Couldn’t be happier.

Not saying flexables dont work. This is about false advertising.
Now and then you see them advertised at what seems to be a very high price but that is probably because they are being truthfully rated.
350 watts from a 1sq metre panel means an efficiency of over 31% which would have to be up there with the best in the world if they even exist, and definitely not in flexables. 12 to 14% is closer to what to expect out of cheap panels.
I got stung by OUTBAX a few years back and reported them to the ACCC but they wont act till they have a curtian number of complaints about the same company.
The first thing most people do is cut the plugs off and install plugs to suit their system and when they realise the panels are half what they expected it is too late.
I left an honest review on productreview.com.au about their panels and they have been begging me to take it down, must have had 20 or 30 messages from them.
I told them the only way I would is if they send me one of their currently advertised panels and I would review it. They have even offered me more money than the panels would have cost them to remove the review.
OUTBAX are committing blatent advertising fraud and nothing is being done about it.
Lodging a complaint with the ACCC is very easy, you dont even have to buy anything, just point out the company and what they are doing.

You have to realise that the output quoted by all solar panel manufacturers is using a standard test using 1000w of solar energy per square metre of surface. This is done using artificial lights.

Now 1000w of solar energy per square metre is like Unicorns.

There is actually a site which gives the solar input per square metre at different locations at different times of year. AFAIR in NSW in winter at the Central coast it is 500-600 watts at exactly 90 degrees to the sun.
So you are never going to get the rated output unless you live at he equator on an extremely fine and clear day.
It was the difference in rated output to what I actually got that prompted me to do the research .
The rule is buy the biggest area panel you can and count on about 50% of its rated output being achievable.

Rangi,
I was using 1100 watts per sq metre and it still needed over a 31% efficiency to produce that.

The “other” panel that I had…..a 120W panel, stated on the back an output of 5.6A.
Pretty close to the 5.2A I measured !
The Kings panel was approx 1/2 of what they stated ??

And yet nobody seems to complain to the ACCC.

I agree, lithium batteries you just dont know whats inside.
Seen tear downs of 100 ah batteries that impressivly deliver 105 ah but inside were second hand 130ah cells, so how old and how many cycles had they done?
How will their balance be in 12 months?
One can only assume the $1100 100ah batteries are new cells, but how do you really know?
I made my decision last week and replaced my under bonnet AGM with a sealed calcium hybrid, even if I only get 2 years out of it I can buy 4 more for the cost of a "quality" lithium and I dont need to alter my charging system.

Re (And of course to be expected VoltX strongly claim that theirs is a true 100AH .

The disadvantage is that they have a cheapo BMS which only allows charge and discharge of 50amps.)

Am looking at 24v 100 amp Lithium Batteries for a DIY Solar setup at home. A very popular 24v Batt in the US says that the battery can be charged at 50 amps but recommends 20 amps. Because of various recommendations this is the battery ( eventually x 2) I am looking at buying, which is around $400 more than the Voltx 24v/100 amp.

Am wary of driving the battery to hard as will shorten its life, or cause a fire. My proposed Reg will pump out 50 amps max on a sunning day, my thinking that this max will be a few hours at the most.

Peter,

There is a firm in Perth that sell 24v ATG lithium batteries that may suit your project? If the quality of the 24v units are as good as their 12v products, they'd be very good.

Their website escapes me but can be viewed on their FB page: Lithium Battery Wholesalers


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No affiliation etc

Bob

Thanks Bob,
I called them and they will email the details. Their Batteries made more robust than what I am looking for hence a dearer price, compared to Voltx and SOK that is probably my preference.

Too true.
However not long ago one of the big camping gear retailers got a very heavy fine for not have sold the item for the inflated price it had been reduced from in the last x amount of years.
The ACCC need to be made aware and have x amount of complaints before they investigate.
If enough people bothered to lodge a very complaint about the same company they will come down on them, especially the likes of OUTBAX who have little more than a warehouse in Australia.
Might even get the laws changed so the responsible directors contact details have to be included in foreign businesses advertising in Australia.
Why is it that most Australians just accept being ripped off and lied to, real businesses owned by real Australians are going bankrupt because people just accept this treatment.
Everyone just expects everyone else to go to the 10 minutes or so that it takes to lodge a complaint.
Rant finished, but not over.

qldcamper
'If enough people bothered to lodge a very complaint about the same company they will come down on them, especially the likes of OUTBAX who have little more than a warehouse in Australia.'

Those paid to police the claims surely, like the rest of us, can see the falsity of many of these claims so why does there need to be a complaint? They need to be proactive.

How would the roads be if the coppers didn't book anyone unless someone else put in a complaint. The fact is that if they see something amiss they do their job and follow it up.

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Dozer, you can't use open circuit voltage when determining panel output power.
It has to be the the panel output current x panel output voltage whilst delivering that current.