power pack vs generator

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Not too cluey on either of these so can anyone say whats the better way to go I see itech300pro is up for grabs at $349 with 24 hours of power as opposed to the Honda 2 generator ($2000 )with 9 hours of power on a full tank there must be something I'm missing LOL
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Reply By: Peter_n_Margaret - Tuesday, May 16, 2023 at 16:38

Tuesday, May 16, 2023 at 16:38
Apples and pears.
The generator makes electricity (just like your alternator) that you then may need to store somewhere else.
The "power pack" is an expensive battery with some plugs and switches on it to store some electricity that you made somewhere else.
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Reply By: Rangiephil - Tuesday, May 16, 2023 at 16:40

Tuesday, May 16, 2023 at 16:40
The itech is a 25 AH battery and the Honda is a 1000Watt generator.
The Itech will run a fridge for maybe 6 hours in hot weather. The Honda will run the fridge for 9 hours and forever with a refill.
The Honda can refill the itech.
Not that I approve of using a Honda while camping.
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Follow Up By: Member - McLaren3030 - Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 07:30

Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 07:30
Doesn’t a Honda 2 generator deliver 2,000 watts?

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Reply By: Member - LeighW - Tuesday, May 16, 2023 at 16:40

Tuesday, May 16, 2023 at 16:40
The itech is 300W and a 25Ah battery so it will supply 300W for around 1 hour.

Honda will supply around 2000W for 9 hours, itech unit is a toy compared to the Honda hence the price difference.

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Follow Up By: danda - Tuesday, May 16, 2023 at 16:44

Tuesday, May 16, 2023 at 16:44
A lights starting to go on .............
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Follow Up By: Bob Y. - Qld - Tuesday, May 16, 2023 at 18:00

Tuesday, May 16, 2023 at 18:00
You only have to read the descriptive prose in their add for the power station, to know they’re pulling your chain. A lot of their gear looks good, but the few items I’ve had dealings with don’t instil one with much confidence.

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Reply By: IvanTheTerrible - Tuesday, May 16, 2023 at 21:42

Tuesday, May 16, 2023 at 21:42
A Honda will get you hated in most campsites
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Follow Up By: AlbyNSW - Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 10:20

Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 10:20
Agree,
technology available in this day and age with solar and batteries so cheap unless you have unusually high requirements leave the bloody generator at home
I find many generator users very inconsiderate of others looking to enjoy some peace and quiet in nature
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Follow Up By: Allan B (Sunshine Coast) - Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 11:50

Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 11:50
An annoying generator is no problem if you have a pair of sidecutters.

(I suppose I should add a "lol" to avoid a flame)
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Follow Up By: Aussie1 - Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 18:12

Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 18:12
Yes AlbyNSW, just like camp fires, noisy campers etc etc etc.
Personally, we wouldn't leave home without the generator.
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Follow Up By: AlbyNSW - Thursday, May 18, 2023 at 04:48

Thursday, May 18, 2023 at 04:48
Aussie1 the irony of your post is if you are running a generator you are “the noisy camper”
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Follow Up By: Aussie1 - Thursday, May 18, 2023 at 14:48

Thursday, May 18, 2023 at 14:48
To each his own. Me, a happy camper, with no chance of going without the gennny. As I said , chill Cobber and stay safe.
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Reply By: Member - nickb aka"boab" - Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 06:18

Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 06:18
It comes down to what you want them for , if you're caravanning / fishing trips and you require power to run fridges freezers microwaves etc for long period off grid then the generator would be a good option that the power pack could never match ie v 25 amp hr battery . The Very ever reliable Honda will give you power under any condition but do you have the room and are you prepared to carry the extra weight ? & if anyone can hear a honda generator running then you must be camping too close to gether , These generators wouldn't make any more noise than someone talking .. of course only used appropriately.
There is nothing more reliable than a Honda generator and you could probably buy a second-hand one in good condition for a lot less then 2K . That's my two bobs worth
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Follow Up By: Allan B (Sunshine Coast) - Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 11:56

Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 11:56
Technically true Nick, but "someone talking" incessantly for hours on end can be very frustrating.
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Follow Up By: Genny - Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 18:06

Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 18:06
I hope the Honda wouldn't be as loud or long running as the old bloke next to us in Goondiwindi recently .......
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Follow Up By: AlbyNSW - Thursday, May 18, 2023 at 04:43

Thursday, May 18, 2023 at 04:43
My last encounter with generators the owner had a long range tank fitted and would run it daily while he is away at the beach for the day leaving everyone else to deal with the noise for hours on end. Meanwile the batteries that are running my two fridges have silently solar recharged by mdday and 98% of the other campers and van owners in the area were doing likewise

Not a solar panel in sight on the other blokes van

If your neighbor left their lawnmower idling outside your window all day every day would that be acceptable?
No doubt some would say that is a silly and an unnecessary disturbance to others which is exactly my point.
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Follow Up By: Member - nickb aka"boab" - Thursday, May 18, 2023 at 11:12

Thursday, May 18, 2023 at 11:12
I think you're being a little pedantic ! With comments regarding the noise of a Honda generator ' nothing like the noise of a lawn mower or other camp ground noise .ie sceaming kids music & drunk individuals..
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Follow Up By: AlbyNSW - Thursday, May 18, 2023 at 14:52

Thursday, May 18, 2023 at 14:52
I don’t know if it is just me, Generators are banned from a lot of public and private campsites so I am not Robinson Crusoe
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Follow Up By: Member - LeighW - Thursday, May 18, 2023 at 16:16

Thursday, May 18, 2023 at 16:16
Yep they all say the generators are quite etc but strange when you see most caravans using generators place them as far away from their own rigs as possiblyand most likely boarding someone elses camp site.

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Follow Up By: Member - nickb aka"boab" - Thursday, May 18, 2023 at 17:40

Thursday, May 18, 2023 at 17:40
Don't get me wrong I do not have a camping generator never have.. I rely on like most people solar/battery & chillybox . but getting back to what the perp ask for was the difference between a itech or a generator . So if you were going off grid and you relying on either iTech or a Honda generator I know which one I would be looking at & If you were camped in a location with heavily Forest type coverage or very cloudy conditions etc your solar panel is unlikely to cope with the draw from the microwave , coffee machine and hair dryers etc . But not that I would be suggesting you set up your noise stinky generator in the middle of a campground but the generator has a place in off-grid Camping World.
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Reply By: Happy Explorer - Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 07:36

Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 07:36
Hi Danda

You have not given any indication as to what your setup is or your needs. However your question was not about that, it was simply a comparison between the two that really can't be compared directly and can only be assessed against your needs.
I have 400w of solar panels and 2 x 130ah batteries. With this I have heaps of power so never need to concern myself with over usage as in the mornings my batteries are still usually 80% plus charged and are fully charged before lunch depending on conditions.
This is mounted on a 4.5m hybrid and works well for me. Doesn't upset the neighbours either:)

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Reply By: Member - McLaren3030 - Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 07:42

Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 07:42
Hi Danda,

By now you are probably becoming aware of the difference. One is a battery of limited capacity, the other is an electrical generator which will deliver more current continuously if you have the fuel for it.

Depending on a few variables, your fridge can draw between 3 and 5 amps per hour. So 25 divided by 3 equals just over 8 hours. So, what do you do then? How do you recharge the power pack?

It really comes down to “horses for courses”. The power pack is OK for a short period of time, but then needs to be recharged. The generator will be able to charge the power pack, and your Auxiliary battery. However, if you are camping close to others, running your generator continuously or even just over night is going to annoy anyone in close proximity.

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Follow Up By: danda - Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 14:52

Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 14:52
I think youve nailed it Macca and as I wont be off road for more than a day or 2 I might just go for a bigger power pack as it has to be better than lugging the genny and fuel and the neighbors LOL
thanks guys youe all very much appreciated....................
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Reply By: Batt's - Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 10:36

Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 10:36
Just remember if you buy a genny the power output they usually advertise the product at is usually not the max continues running output it catches people out sometimes. Like the Honda 2 is actually good for 1600va. My Westinghouse genny is a 2400 but good
for 2100.
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Reply By: StormCamper - Sunday, May 21, 2023 at 03:42

Sunday, May 21, 2023 at 03:42
There are two ways to run a portable generator.

1: The wrong way.

This is where people run them for 4-5 hours each day or every second day making a huge disturbance because they haven't got a proper battery setup. It's very cheap to buy a genny vs. a good electrical system that is difficult. It's actually so bad that people run them just to power lights and laptops. Very reckless.

2: The right way.

This is were you actually figure out what your powering, the actual energy budget, and size the battery to run it all for 3 days. Then worst case you run the generator every 3 days for ~3 hours. With added solar that may drop to 3hours every 6 days.

Sorry son but you gotta lot to learn ??


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Reply By: Happy Explorer - Wednesday, May 24, 2023 at 09:00

Wednesday, May 24, 2023 at 09:00
I think generators are always going to be a touchy subject until they are completely banned. Don't know if that is ever going to happen though. Maybe we will be forced to buy EGenerators run on battery power and like all things electric will solve all the world's problems;)
I remember some years ago, we pulled into an out of the way free camp and there were two other vans there reasonably close together and of course in the best part of the grounds. We would have camped in that area too however I noticed a generator beside one van. We pulled up and got chatting to that guy and I casually asked if he intended running the generator much or perhaps even all night. I thought he might need it for medical reasons or something. No big deal because if he was, we would camp a bit further along the creek.
Anyway, he got quite upset with my asking that question. Apparently the other camper asked him something similar and he had taken offence. We set up camp a bit further away and I don't think he ran it all that much anyway.
All went well and a good stay was enjoyed by all. Just a touchy subject from both sides. As I think someone said above, generators are not the way to make friends when camping.
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Follow Up By: Aussie1 - Wednesday, May 24, 2023 at 16:40

Wednesday, May 24, 2023 at 16:40
Re "rst the way to make friends", no different to loud noise, fires uncontrolled dogs etc.
I'm a friendly person but don'tcamp for the purpose of making friends, just not a priority.

Stay safe and enjoy your travels.
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Follow Up By: AlbyNSW - Wednesday, May 24, 2023 at 18:29

Wednesday, May 24, 2023 at 18:29
Aussie1 I don’t quite follow your logic
You say generators are no different to loud noise, fires or dogs which I assume you consider a negative trait that imposes on other campers but at the same time you are happy including yourself in that ‘ undesirable’ group ?
Is there a particular reason or need that you choose to continue with this largely outdated technology when you are well aware of the impact on neighbouring campers?
Just trying to understand the logic :)
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Follow Up By: Aussie1 - Wednesday, May 24, 2023 at 20:57

Wednesday, May 24, 2023 at 20:57
Let me enlighten you Cobber.
When I say "no different to noise, fires, or uncontrolled dogs etc " I was simply highlighting that all sorts of different things affect different campers. A negative trait if that's what you prefer to refer to it as.
For example, should we pull into a free camp and find a situation not to our liking e.g as I listed above, we simply move to where we are comfortable. No biggy eh. Something I would suggest others do if they are not happy with a spot.
As for my choice of power provision well, that is MY decision and I will add, it is not "largely outdated technology". In case you have not noticed, Honda, for example are still producing a very efficient and popular product called a generator.
Finally, provided others follow my friendly advice on a place to camp, there is no issue.
Hope the above gives you a good understanding of my logic.

By the way, just to put a smile on your face, we also have solar, why, because we like to cover all bases, such as as all the mod cons we can fit in our palace on wheels, as we like to call it. when travelling and camping. Life is good, well it is for us.
Now, you travel safe and thank you for the opportunity to clarify a few points.
Cheers Cobber

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Follow Up By: Member - Warren H - Thursday, May 25, 2023 at 10:13

Thursday, May 25, 2023 at 10:13
We don't have a generator and unlikely to ever have one, but I have been camped in places where they have been used close by. Modern units like the Honda are very quiet and can be quickly backgrounded and if used for a short period during the day were never annoying. Diesel heaters are noiser and on at night. Many on this forum are old enough to have travelled when every property and small town was serenaded by the sound of large diesel generators. If you are in the bush chilling out then perhaps you rightly have an expectation of complete peace and quiet, but in a busy campground there are lots of other sources of noise. Give me the easily backgrounded hum of a generator to the loud babbling and guffawing of some half-pissed silly old bugger.
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Follow Up By: OzzieCruiser - Thursday, May 25, 2023 at 14:23

Thursday, May 25, 2023 at 14:23
Now I am also a person who does not like noise at home in the burbs or generator noise in the camp ground or noisey campers.

But lets not forget that in most jurisdictions noise regulations to apply. These normally allow unlimited noise from 7am to 11pm on a weekday and from 8 or 9am to10pm on a weekend - so even if you do not like it noise from generators is legal up until 10 or 11pm whether you like it or not.

So just because you go out to camp for peace and quiet, the person next to you may not have the same aim and is perfectly legal to make as much noise as they like during the allocated hours.
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Follow Up By: Member - David M (SA) - Thursday, May 25, 2023 at 15:24

Thursday, May 25, 2023 at 15:24
"half-pissed silly old bugger."
I resent that description Warren. Don't deny it but do resent it.
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Follow Up By: Member - Outback Gazz - Thursday, May 25, 2023 at 16:18

Thursday, May 25, 2023 at 16:18
"half-pissed silly old bugger."

Geez, for awhile there I thought they were talking about me - but the " half " bit ruled me out :)


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Follow Up By: Allan B (Sunshine Coast) - Thursday, May 25, 2023 at 20:14

Thursday, May 25, 2023 at 20:14
I'll have you know that I am fully pissed!!
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Follow Up By: Member - Warren H - Thursday, May 25, 2023 at 21:01

Thursday, May 25, 2023 at 21:01
"I'll have you know that I am fully pissed!"
In that position, I'm afraid these days I would be quietly sleeping.
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