Where is it? History pics (continued).

Thanks Allan. You get the bonus points too. :)
Where to?
Cheers,
Peter
OKA196 motorhome

And you were not even there. It was a pity.

It was a fantastic weekend.

And to be precise, It was not unveiled until the exact time of 1pm, the very same time that the rails were officially joined way back in 1917

Also to even get one over Allan, I can tell you who is infant of the Official new Obelisk, It is my mate Bob Sim, who was principal of the Yalata Primary School with some of his students.

How many extra points does that get me....lol

Also looking more carefully, that me in the fluro top after my stint of traffic control and Fiona to the right of me in the pink top.....how special

Ok looks like I have stumped the learned travellers on EO.

Here are a few more images to try and help you answer the question.

Image 1 is what it looks like from this famous track......its around a kilometre from the road

Image 2 is what the Stone Cairn looks like from the other side.

Image 3 is more important. Up until I accurately recorded the correct GPS coordinates, this prominent feature was shown on every Australian topographical map over 4 kilometres south of its true location.

Ok, I’ll take a guess although we may differ with names and who built it! ??

Officially i believe it’s called Trig Point and is located on theBirdsville Track. It was built by surveyor Samuel Parry around 1858 while he was on an expedition in the vicinity of the Birdsville and Strzelecki Tracks

Unofficially I believe it’s known as Milners Pile after a pastoralist who drove sheep north to Darwin.

Yes we have to agree to disagree.

Yes it is on the famous Birdsville.

My research shows the cairn to constructed by Ralph Milner around 1863 in his quest to be the first person to overland stock from South Australia to Darwin.

Milner was stranded in the area for nearly 8 years because of drought.

As for Parry’s surveying surveys, he was not surveying in the vicinity of Birdsville or Strezelecki Tracks, but went north from Herrgott Springs, as official records show.

This is from an official South Australian Government Site.

“ In 1857, government surveyor Samuel Parry was sent to do a triangulation survey of the northern Flinders Ranges to facilitate the registration of pastoral leases. Parry continued on past Herrgott Springs, and by 1858 had busily triangulated his way as far north as Etadunna, well outside the 'horseshoe'. The stone piles he built as trig markers can still be seen throughout the district today. Encouraged by the continuing good seasons, Hack, McDonald and others all set off on private expeditions.”

Any points that surveyors used to triangulate positions were always from the highest point of land that could be seen for many, many miles.

Milners Pile is not a major survey point in the vicinity, being only around 30 metre in elevation, compared to a little distance southwest at Peachey hill at over 40 metres in elevation and Etadunna Hill a short distance northeast at over 50 metres in elevation.

Even though the area out there is relatively flat, those high points were giver official names by the surveyors that surveyed the area.

Do you know where you found the reference to Trig Point.


Anyway, you have named the correct location, so now it’s your turn to stump us.

Well Done

Thanks Stephen. As a bit of a Samuel Parry fan, we use his journal to follow his footsteps which we've doing for a few years now. He records he started trig building around Hawker in the south and went as far as Dulkaninna on the Birdsville Track to the north, and east along the Strzelecki Track by Mt Lyndhurst. He also mentions that not all his trig building was on high ground. In fact we've visited some of his trig points that sit on hills less than 50 metres high. When areas past north of Copley/Lyndhurst can be flat as a tack in some places I guess he could only work with what he's got. Today, many places in between all of those areas have names that were originally given by Sam. So he was quite well travelled.

Ok, now for a where is this pic....

Came past there on Saturday last.
Melrose SA.
Cheers,
Peter
OKA196 motorhome

I made it too easy! LOL

Let's try this one

Hi

Following on re Milners Pile, here are a few more facts to show that Parry did not build the cairn as a survey can for a few good reasons.

When a survey cairn is constructed, the surveyor first must take a few astro fixes to determine the actual location and then that place will have bench mark.

Usually to mark that exact position, I large mulga post was put on that exact position, and then the stone survey cairn is then constructed around that pole.

You say youself that Parry only surveyed only as far as Dulkaninna on the Birdsville Track, which as we know is a long way short of Etadunna and where Milners Pile is located.

Compare Milners Pile, which was not constructed neat like a survey cairn and does not have a mulga pole to show the exact point as the highest point on the very small hill, compared to this cairn, built by Parry in 1858, around 5 years before Ralph Milne constructed his cairn, which I presume you have been to, that was constructed in typical surveyor passion, very neat and round, and still showing the original mulga pole used to mark the highest point on this hill.

Cheers

Was your image taken in Western Australia?

Yes, WA it is!

Is the art in Norseman?

Got it! Good job

Will dig another photo out.

Hi Pete

You sure were there, and it was great that you came over for this historical event that can not be duplicated.

And to prove you were there, here is a wiry bunch of EO members at this special event.

From left, my personal friend Chris from Victoria, Me after my marshalling duties, Paul who put in the extra effort and came over from Western Australia for the event and then Fig from Victoria.

Surely it’s not that hard?

It’s located in South Australia.

It’s to do with an important South Australian surveyor.

Well looks like not many of you like dirt roads……..

The important surveyor was George Woodroffe Goyder

You will find this marker somewhere north of Port Augusta and south of Marree.

What else do you need?

Here is the final hint.

Surely I am not the only person to venture out here?

This old Wool Press stands very close to the historic marker.

Come on Outback Travellers and History Buffs, surely you have seen this?

My Travel Guide, you like travelling our great state, surely you have seen this seeing its to do with our states early Surveyors.

I assume it's:https://monumentaustralia.org.au/themes/government/colonial/display/117049-goyder%60s-baseline-memorial

I don't think I earned this one, so someone else can post the next image.

Well done Briste, you are 100% correct and congratulations.

You have well and truely earned the next photo to keep us guessing.
Goyders Baseline

The rock cairn and post mark the 16 mile point on the baseline marked out and accurately measured by surveyor G. W. Goyder in 1858. The line is between Termination Hill to the South and Twenty Mile Hill to the north and can be found at Witchelina, west of Farina.

From this baseline Goyder commenced the initial survey of land between Lake Torrens and Lake Eyre.

In 1986 the baseline was remeasured by students from the School of Surveying, SA Institute of Technology in conjunction with members of the Institute of Surveyors, Australia.

The memorial plaque was erected on the 25 May 1986.

Whoooops! In my haste I forgot about the URL quirk/issue. sorry.Goyder's Baseline Memorial Cairn

By the way, Witchelina Station, west of Farina, is owned by the Nature Foundation (along with Hiltiba Station which is north of theGawler Ranges NP).
Both offer camping and country to explore.
Cheers,
Peter
OKA196 motorhome

ps.... Come on Briste, what have you got for us? :)

Is the state Queensland?

It has that Qld look, but it's NSW.

I'm after the name of the township. It's pretty small. It's sort of in the outback, or at least on the way there, and fairly isolated. This ruin is on a cross-roads, with the pub diagonally across the road. Directly across the road is this restored building:

The lovingly restored old post office at Nymagee

Nymgee it is. I pass the baton to Aybe.

I thought posting the old PO initially would make it too easy. Probably also the pub. But the problem with an old dilapidated house is it could be anywhere.

Fascinating tiny place miles from anywhere. Hardly anybody lives there from what I could see. You wonder how such a tiny place can support a pub, but like a lot of such pubs, people emerge from the bush for food and a drink. Town water is not potable, the Telstra signal was useless for data, but there is a free camp that has AC power, a flush toilet and gas BBQ - a rare combination at a free camp.

A clue maybe?
It is located on the Gunbarrel Highway.

I was going to say somewhere in S.A. because of the telegraph pole, but you beat me to it with the hint of the Gunbarrel Highway.

Macca.

Time's up and the mask is removed.>>>
Kanpi Community is in the NW of SA on the Gun Barrel Highway.

I have to go to work now so I'll let someone else take over.

New thread started.
Cheers,
Peter