Weird advice.

We were parked opposite the Marree roadhouse airing down our tyres and lady approached us and said the roadhouse told then not to drop their tyre pressure, that it was a waste of time. Said they had never done and never damaged a tyre. Now two years ago we rescued one of their backpakers near the turnoff to Roxby Downs with a stone through the tyre.
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Reply By: 2517. - Saturday, Jun 24, 2023 at 16:44

Saturday, Jun 24, 2023 at 16:44
Maybe if the road has just being graded this is a common problem until the stones settle down again with traffic.
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Reply By: Batt's - Saturday, Jun 24, 2023 at 17:00

Saturday, Jun 24, 2023 at 17:00
Never been there is it just a regular gravel road?
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Reply By: Member - Duncan2H - Saturday, Jun 24, 2023 at 20:13

Saturday, Jun 24, 2023 at 20:13
Its always a balancing act.. lower pressure gives a much nicer ride on corrugations/dirt roads and leaves you less prone to punctures on the running surface of the tyre but the downside is that it exposes your sidewall to more damage and increases fuel consumption. There's a sweet spot in there that experience helps you find for your vehicle/suspension/tyres and the anticipated road conditions.
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Reply By: Member - Robert1660 - Saturday, Jun 24, 2023 at 21:29

Saturday, Jun 24, 2023 at 21:29
My experience is essentially lowering tyre pressures doesn't necessarily make the ride any smoother but it removes the jarring. This will certainly benefit the suspension of the vehicle and of course give the impression to the passengers of a better ride. Also the lower pressures and thus the different profile of the tyre makes for more secure travel on dirt roads. One other interesting feature of travelling over corrugations is to actually drive on the opposite side of the road. Of course this needs to be done safely but the profile of the corrugations frequently make for a better ride when driving in such a fashion.
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Follow Up By: Member - Pig - Wednesday, Jun 28, 2023 at 15:19

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maybe you need to update your photo, the 19ft Bushtracker looks like a Tvan to me. I am as bad kept my Tvan and now have a 19 Ft Sunland. good safe travels
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Reply By: Member - Outback Gazz - Sunday, Jun 25, 2023 at 13:57

Sunday, Jun 25, 2023 at 13:57
Greetings

I was in Oodnadatta years ago fuelling up when Adam Plate was running the roadhouse. There had been quite a bit of rain over the previous days with a lot of water over the track filling all the low sections.

Quick chat to Adam as he knew I ran my tours through there quite regularly and was on my way along with a few other vehicles in my group. Got a few k's up the track when we were waved down by some people who were bogged to the belly ten metres off the track. I asked them what on earth were they doing out there ?

Their reply - " the owner of the roadhouse told us it's best to drive around the larger sections of water "

An hour later we had the two bogged vehicles back on track. We then drove to Dalhousie with no issues whatsoever. On a previous trip through there I remember hearing Adam tell other people to do the same as it doesn't wreck the track for the locals when it dries out.

Weird advice - not sure ?

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Reply By: ExplorOz - David & Michelle - Monday, Jun 26, 2023 at 13:10

Monday, Jun 26, 2023 at 13:10
Yes very weird advice. The rule of thumb for driving on very corrugated roads anywhere in Australia has always been to reduce tyre pressures about 4 to 6 psi lower than what you run on the bitumen. Very rough and stony country such as the Birdsville Track can handle even softer tyre pressures. This may not seem to make sense at first, but if you consider that your tyre is just like a balloon being bounced over sharp objects then you can see how the higher pressure would make it more prone to "popping". No tyres were damaged in our last 10,000km trip in outback WA and NT including all over the Pilbara to some remote places most people don't go, the Kidson Track, Gary Junction Rd, Mereenie Loop, Palm Valley, GCR and other typical stony, corrugated roads much like the ones around Maree area. We've driven just about everywhere in Australia and would never drive for very long on corrugated unsealed roads with a loaded vehicle without reducing tyre pressures but each vehicle, each tyre compound, each driver, and obviously the vehicle loading is all part of the total equation that has to be taken into consideration.
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Follow Up By: Batt's - Tuesday, Jun 27, 2023 at 08:35

Tuesday, Jun 27, 2023 at 08:35
When and where did this rule of thumb come into place dropping 4 to 6psi never heard about it. Was it in a 4wd action mag or something.
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Follow Up By: ExplorOz - David & Michelle - Tuesday, Jun 27, 2023 at 09:55

Tuesday, Jun 27, 2023 at 09:55
Batts it’s been the standard for over 25 years in our experience.
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Follow Up By: Member - rocco2010 - Tuesday, Jun 27, 2023 at 14:10

Tuesday, Jun 27, 2023 at 14:10
My advice from an experienced tour operator was more percentages. 10-15 per cent was his rule of thumb.
Which, if you running around 40psi as I do, equates to 4-6psi.
That's just on gravel and good dirt.
Corrugations and sand it's much lower. 
Advice has stood me in good stead.

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Follow Up By: Batt's - Tuesday, Jun 27, 2023 at 16:04

Tuesday, Jun 27, 2023 at 16:04
But where does it come from David is all I'm asking who told you there is a standard practice out there that we all should know about ? I've traveled around this country for around 35yrs and nobody has ever told me about this particular standard to follow.
We made our own choice to air down if we wanted to on slower 4wd tracks but not for general gravel roads we drive to suit.
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Follow Up By: IvanTheTerrible - Tuesday, Jun 27, 2023 at 19:49

Tuesday, Jun 27, 2023 at 19:49
I learnt it in the defence force. We drop our 35psi tyres to 25.
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Follow Up By: Batt's - Wednesday, Jun 28, 2023 at 08:05

Wednesday, Jun 28, 2023 at 08:05
Thanks Ivan you learned about it from people with experience.
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Follow Up By: IvanTheTerrible - Wednesday, Jun 28, 2023 at 19:34

Wednesday, Jun 28, 2023 at 19:34
Learnt so much that you dont see anywhere else. Stuff that has saved me countless times
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Follow Up By: Member Kerry W (Qld) - Thursday, Jun 29, 2023 at 18:33

Thursday, Jun 29, 2023 at 18:33
Having been in the military, underground mining, farming and having been an adventurer all my life and being a bit scientific to boot ....I reckon not only have I learnt from people with experience - I am one of those with experience. Dropping tyre pressure is a basic necessity - quite often.

Trouble is there are many things to consider - there is no black and white rule. Quite simply unless you understand all the parameters (tyre size, type, brand, side wall flexibility, road conditions, driving style, conditions of road {eg gravel, sharp sandstone, mulga stakes, mud, sand, ironstone gravel, wet butumen, wet gravel, wet mud, wet sand etc etc} vehicle, capability, diff locks, traction, power, driving style, experience, load, potential for spin, potential for punctures, fatigue, schedule... need I go on - many people are only guessing and those that ignore how beneficial adjusting pressure for optimal tyre life, traction and safety really miss out on the opportunities to "know thy self and thy vehicle". My point?

1/ Dont knock it till you try it.
2/ Each to their own. You will survive quite well with what you already know!
3/ You are always learning unless you close your mind.
4/ Don't assume other people are not intelligent... maybe we can all learn from the most unassuming sources!
5/ The loudest voices are not necessarily the wisest.
6/ Magazines, media and social media "experts" usually have a sponsor, agenda or bias and will promote those regardless of how it works for individuals...

Just enjoy your vehicle and adventures and endeavour to get home safely.
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Follow Up By: Member - David M (SA) - Friday, Jun 30, 2023 at 09:40

Friday, Jun 30, 2023 at 09:40
Here endeth the lesson from Kerry. :)
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Follow Up By: Batt's - Sunday, Jul 02, 2023 at 18:06

Sunday, Jul 02, 2023 at 18:06
Thanks Kenny I also learned from more experienced people I traveled with in my early 20's they never claimed there was a rule of thumb or standard they learn't from. They learned from others, experimented with different tyre pressures and lowered speeds to suit. Some of the people with light weight Suzuki's would lower their pressure more than others with heavier cruiser or patrols but that can be the opposite way around for beach driving we learn as we go.
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Reply By: Briste - Tuesday, Jun 27, 2023 at 09:28

Tuesday, Jun 27, 2023 at 09:28
My understanding is that the more you air down, the slower you need to drive. My assumption is that people who say not to air down don't want to slow down. Having just driven the Oodnadatta Track (or road - Peter) before it closed and seen what generally good condition it is in, I can understand why the Marree Roadhouse staff might say that they don't bother, particularly being on the junction of dirt and bitumen. But I don't think it's good advice for travellers, who are better off airing down and slowing down.
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Follow Up By: ExplorOz - David & Michelle - Tuesday, Jun 27, 2023 at 12:17

Tuesday, Jun 27, 2023 at 12:17
Nope not correct either. When we air down on corrugate roads we do so, to enable the vehicle to ride better over the corrugations at higher speed. We often drop pressures somewhere between 32 - 28 psi and will drive anywhere between 60-100km/hr - sometimes the conditions will predicate a lower pressure required. Usually lower is only required if very sandy, or churning through rocky creek beds etc with a trailer in tow. Obviously not that fast for a creek bed but on open roads you can easily drive at 80-100 with lowered tyre pressures depending on the nature of the road. We experiment and drive to conditions and adjust tyre pressures accordingly. After more than 25 years of outback driving and rarely any tyre problems this just becomes second nature and you get a feel for what pressures suit your rig and yourself. In fact, at slow speeds corrugations can feel much worse than if you just punch up the speed a little more and the vehicle "rides over the ridges". Corrugations occur in both sandy country and rocky tracks and the same concept of drop tyre pressure to drive faster applies. With experience this becomes second nature.
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Follow Up By: Batt's - Wednesday, Jun 28, 2023 at 08:28

Wednesday, Jun 28, 2023 at 08:28
Good advice Briste less air less speed.
Also it doesn't always mean people want to drive faster if they don't air down their vehicle and suspension setup makes a big difference. I had a GQ patrol dual cab coil springs all round extended chassis nearly 20 foot long 285 tyres adjustable shocks. Most of the time I just tweeked the shocks and it absorbed the bumps and the larger tyres with 38psi already had lots of sidewall flex as larger tyre tend to have. Same sort of thing with a 1980 60ser cruiser I had OME suspension it was the best leaf sping ride comfortable but stable. My current 2007 BT50 is crap but I haven't set it up for off road use it's not worth spending the money on it.
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Reply By: Peter_n_Margaret - Tuesday, Jun 27, 2023 at 14:46

Tuesday, Jun 27, 2023 at 14:46
I have posted these here before. Extracted directly from Michelin data.
There is a clear relationship between maximum acceptable speed and tyre pressure. If you drive too fast on a deflated tyre it will get hotter because the heat generated by bending the casing more excessively and continuously will exceed the cooling rate. If the casing gets too hot, it will fail.


Small reductions in pressure may be tolerable at "normal" road speed as they are typically well below the rated speed of the tyre, however be careful.... heat damage is not reversable....
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Follow Up By: Member - Boobook - Tuesday, Jun 27, 2023 at 16:34

Tuesday, Jun 27, 2023 at 16:34
Unless I am missing something Peter, that graph shows no relationship between tyre pressure vs speed.

It does show a relationship between tyre pressure and maximum load, for 3 types of road scenarios. Sand, at low speed, off-road, at medium speed and highway, at high speed.



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Follow Up By: Peter_n_Margaret - Tuesday, Jun 27, 2023 at 16:55

Tuesday, Jun 27, 2023 at 16:55
The appropriate pressure for a tyre is dependent on weight.
If you are driving at the pressures (and weights) indicated anywhere along the yellow line, you are limited to 20kph to avoid over heating. That is a pressure related speed restriction.
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ps... the chart does not show "maximum load" for a particular pressure, it shows the "appropriate" pressure for specific loads (@ 3 maximum speeds). That is a none too subtle difference.
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Follow Up By: Member - McLaren3030 - Wednesday, Jun 28, 2023 at 06:59

Wednesday, Jun 28, 2023 at 06:59
Agree with Peter, you need to be careful when you lower your tyre pressures, and be guided by the weight the tyres are supporting. Not only the weight the tyre is supporting, but also its construction.

An LT tyre with a stronger side wall is less likely to fail running at a lower pressure than a “highway” tyre. This doesn’t mean you can safely run very low pressures with an LT tyre, you still need to be careful when heavily loaded.

There is no “one size fits all”.

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Reply By: Member - mechpete - Tuesday, Jun 27, 2023 at 18:56

Tuesday, Jun 27, 2023 at 18:56
Don.t buy ulp tbere we got 2 tanks of shit ulp from there tues
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Reply By: Allan B (Sunshine Coast) - Friday, Jun 30, 2023 at 08:11

Friday, Jun 30, 2023 at 08:11
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Does the same "rule" apply to tyres with white lettering?

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Follow Up By: Member - Warren H - Friday, Jun 30, 2023 at 09:31

Friday, Jun 30, 2023 at 09:31
Dunno, I had mine fitted with the white lettering on the inside of wheel.
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Follow Up By: Allan B (Sunshine Coast) - Friday, Jun 30, 2023 at 10:48

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Wouldn't that make the vehicle go backwards when in a forward gear??
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