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Interesting item today on the ABC News
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Reply By: Member - peter_mcc - Friday, Oct 24, 2025 at 16:37

Friday, Oct 24, 2025 at 16:37
If you want to comment the place to go is:

https://www.infrastructure.gov.au/have-your-say/regulatory-impact-analysis-reduce-open-road-default-speed-limit

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Follow Up By: Member - nick boab - Friday, Oct 24, 2025 at 20:09

Friday, Oct 24, 2025 at 20:09
Allan , hmmm another link... lol :))
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Follow Up By: AlanTH - Friday, Oct 24, 2025 at 20:46

Friday, Oct 24, 2025 at 20:46
I must agree that some roads could do with less speed but that won't stop much of the maniacal driving to be seen on them.
Take the Indian Ocean Drive in WA, said to be a dangerous road because of the death rate. It's not the speed they're doing, it's the complete and utter bloody incompetence they show behind the wheel.
Not so long ago we saw a cop booking a motorist on the left then not 5 minutes later this same vehicle overtook us on double white leading into a blind right hand turn!
Then there was the idiot sitting so close behind a truck we didn't see until he suddenly pulls out to see if it was safe to overtake!
And there we were, about 70 - 80 mtrs away heading straight for him but just managed to avoid a collision which left my ageing heart pounding I can tell you. Maybe if there was policing of all the other downright stupidity on the roads instead of just watching their radar there'd be a gradual improvement of driver behaviour but I won't hold my breath on that. Especially as we live not far from the Police Academy and see some of their own driving....
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Follow Up By: Member - Gordon B5 - Friday, Oct 24, 2025 at 21:13

Friday, Oct 24, 2025 at 21:13
That’s where dash cams come in, quite easy to give a copy to the police. I have done this & it resulted in a prosecution.
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Follow Up By: AlanTH - Saturday, Oct 25, 2025 at 09:40

Saturday, Oct 25, 2025 at 09:40
I doubt there would have been much of us left to do anything if we'd hit head on but Yes the cameras are great for catching the loonies who seem not to have a clue about safer driving.
They seem to know not nor care not about anything outside of their own little world.
Nothing at all wrong with that road but has got a bad rep. due to the high number of fatals over the years.
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Follow Up By: RMD - Saturday, Oct 25, 2025 at 15:34

Saturday, Oct 25, 2025 at 15:34
Most of the population are ONLY TAUGHT how to PASS a Licence test. Not how to drive! How to drive does not come into it much at all!

I taught Traffic Safety Education in Victoria for 8 years. Around 500 people. Now I observe the Driving Instructors and they may know the Road rules but most cannot drive and DO NOT understand most Mechanical or Road Craft principles involved. Any learning driver ONLY gets some actual road experience if with a responsible and experienced person guiding them!
So, we have dangerous people on the roads.
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Follow Up By: Member - McLaren3030 - Sunday, Oct 26, 2025 at 08:04

Sunday, Oct 26, 2025 at 08:04
I have to agree with RMD with regard to some Driving Instructors. The number of drivers who don’t seem to be able to make a turn without first turning in the opposite direction. In other words, they swing to the left before turning to the right etc. This includes whilst being instructed by a so called driving instructor. They are not on a racetrack in a race, trying to make the apex of the corner. Then there are those who can’t decide which lane they want to be in and drive down the middle on a two lane carriageway, even with lane markings. To some, these lane markings appear to be only a suggestion.

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Follow Up By: RMD - Sunday, Oct 26, 2025 at 16:08

Sunday, Oct 26, 2025 at 16:08
Macca.
STOP thinking like me. It is unacceptable! Ha ha. I watch driving instructors in my city SHOW learners how to drive straight to the left lane. That was pioneered by Commodore divers who flip straight left lane so they can use their HSV power to then get in front of you. You just hold up traffic, don't you realize? If you safely, but promptly then indicate and verge left, those drivers then SWERVE VIOLENTLY to the right lane to ACCELERATE past you. They are skilled, because they steer while their rear wheels are spinning on the road. My dash cam records them at the next lights. It is Driving Olympics but the colours Black and BLUE seem missing, and we are left with the RED, GREEN and YELLOW/orange.
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Reply By: Peter_n_Margaret - Saturday, Oct 25, 2025 at 10:00

Saturday, Oct 25, 2025 at 10:00
A few snips from the OKA dash cam.......
https://youtu.be/Sc9_uxR9_5I
https://youtu.be/RXZixw4Vvsk
https://youtu.be/c-8bOaTpxRk
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Follow Up By: RMD - Saturday, Oct 25, 2025 at 15:46

Saturday, Oct 25, 2025 at 15:46
Peter.
It is Quite safe to overtake where there are double lines, BECAUSE you aren't going to pull over to that side , so it is clear for them. That must be the way they see it!
Driving the OKA is like driving an interstate Tour Coach, which I did for a while, and Semi's and cars cut me off all the time!

Driving TO CONDITIONS is something which many don't know. they don't know what a CONDITION is!
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Follow Up By: Batt's - Sunday, Oct 26, 2025 at 09:31

Sunday, Oct 26, 2025 at 09:31
Did you give the cops any of the videos to see what happens.
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Follow Up By: Peter_n_Margaret - Sunday, Oct 26, 2025 at 09:33

Sunday, Oct 26, 2025 at 09:33
Nope.
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Reply By: Nomadic Navara - Sunday, Oct 26, 2025 at 08:58

Sunday, Oct 26, 2025 at 08:58
Tasmania has a blanket 80 km/h limit on unsealed roads already. The following is from a Copilot query:

Tasmania is currently the only Australian state with a specific statutory speed limit (80 km/h) for unsigned, unsealed roads. Other states generally apply their default rural speed limits (usually 100 km/h) to such roads unless signage indicates otherwise.



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Follow Up By: Briste - Monday, Oct 27, 2025 at 08:51

Monday, Oct 27, 2025 at 08:51
This is an important point that seems to have been missed in all the hyperventilating. This proposal is only about the *default* speed limit, and won't affect roads with a posted speed limit, which is most sealed roads in my experience. You will still be able to cruise at 130km/h on the Stuart Highway in the NT.
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Follow Up By: Member - peter_mcc - Monday, Oct 27, 2025 at 11:46

Monday, Oct 27, 2025 at 11:46
But it would affect lots of dirt roads. I've been on many where going 70 or less meant the corrugations shook the car to bits - speeding up to 80 meant it was bearable.

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Follow Up By: Peter_n_Margaret - Monday, Oct 27, 2025 at 13:47

Monday, Oct 27, 2025 at 13:47
And if you think you are doing less damage to your vehicle at 80kph, you are kidding yourself.
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Follow Up By: Batt's - Thursday, Oct 30, 2025 at 05:56

Thursday, Oct 30, 2025 at 05:56
Every vehicle has it's own sweet spot for driving on corrugated roads so you try to sit on a speed that makes it feel more comfortable for the occupants and vehicle but is still safe to drive at. We've all been there where the vehicle is being shaken to pieces feeling like the suspension is smashing into the chassis and the steering wheel is trying to get ripped out of your hands. If you speed up, the ride smooths out, the suspension, tyres are working correctly and absorbing the corrugations that would have to be helping things. Same thing can happen if your going too fast its about finding the sweet spot for you vehicle and continually adjusting to suit.
Who knows exactly if the level of potential damage changes unless the vehicle is covered in sensors and monitors to check but I know what I'd put my money on.
If we were that concerned about damage we wouldn't leave our driveway.
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Reply By: Kenell - Monday, Oct 27, 2025 at 08:50

Monday, Oct 27, 2025 at 08:50
I live on an unsealed road that links two sealed roads. It is graded every three months or so, mainly because 4 school buses travel on it twice a day. The sealed roads have a limit of 80kph but our road is 100kph. The road is realistically 1.5 lanes wide but with careful manouvering two cars can pass although the buses and trucks create challenges. There are large trees lining the road, deep 'water made' gutters on either side and it is corrugated in summer and potholed in winter. Not to mention the critters that are hit at least weekly (kangas, wombats etc)

I have done everything short of begging for the speed limit to be reduced but Council says it is bound by the standard that insists that the 100kph limit must apply. As has been said Tas is the only state that has addressed this ridiculous "standard". One would think that speed limits are determined by conditions but that is not the case.

I appreciate that the article is referring mainly to the long outback type roads that many of us on this forum travel on .

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Follow Up By: Member - shane r1 - Tuesday, Oct 28, 2025 at 22:36

Tuesday, Oct 28, 2025 at 22:36
I would hope in that road situation , most drivers drive to the “conditions” and travel at an appropriate speed.
A local town on eyre peninsula gets permission to drop the limit from 50 to 40 at harvest time , which is just a token anyway ,
The trucks passing the busy shop area are just about all down to 20 or so anyway , driving to conditions!
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Reply By: Kenell - Wednesday, Oct 29, 2025 at 07:46

Wednesday, Oct 29, 2025 at 07:46
Shane - as you know "driving to conditions" is a very subjective thing.

I travel our road at 40 - 50kph. Many determine that 90kph is reasonable. This theory of getting above corrugations might make for a smoother ride but it is effectively skating and impacts vehicle stability.

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