Do you grease your nuts

Submitted: Sunday, Mar 15, 2026 at 12:00
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Good morning all. I'v been in maintenance mode in the last week & getting the caravan ready for Easter providing we can still afford to travel then.
Have a 2020 Jayco journey Outback . amongst other things I have been upgrading the drainage out of the shower which was pretty poor for getting water drained out of the shower , we would be standing in water during a shower :( Upgraded it to more conventional 40 mm PVC drainage .

Checking over the wheel bearings this morning I noticed that the wheel nuts were well greased to a point of wet..
I know we don't like to have them dry and grabbing locking up , but how much is too much? I was wondering what others do, maybe a little dab of copper Grease.

Love to hear what others opinions are and any other maintenance hacks you may carry out before a trip away.
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Reply By: Member - Jim S1 - Sunday, Mar 15, 2026 at 12:12

Sunday, Mar 15, 2026 at 12:12
Not sure about greasing wheel nuts ........ I don't .

Wheel nuts should not be greased. Manufacturers specify that stud threads and mating surfaces be clean and dry to ensure accurate torque readings. Lubricating threads reduces friction, causing over-tightening (stretching studs) at standard torque settings, which can lead to stud breakage or wheels coming loose.

Something else to think about .

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Follow Up By: Member - nick boab - Sunday, Mar 15, 2026 at 12:51

Sunday, Mar 15, 2026 at 12:51
Thanks Jim I did think it was excessive and have wiped of what I can . well nuts certainly weren't tight I think a child could have undone them without any problems .
I'll give them a clean off .
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Follow Up By: Member - LeighW - Sunday, Mar 15, 2026 at 13:34

Sunday, Mar 15, 2026 at 13:34
This has been discussed on other forums, apparently there are some vehicles around
that the manufactures do specify that the wheel nut threads be greased. So always
best to check what the manufacturer specifies.

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Follow Up By: Peter_n_Margaret - Sunday, Mar 15, 2026 at 14:09

Sunday, Mar 15, 2026 at 14:09
OKA wheel nuts (8 @ 5/8" UNF @ 6.5" PCD) are specified to be "lightly greased" and the torque settings are relatively low as a result.
This is quite unusual. The general rule is "clean and dry".
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Follow Up By: RobMac (QLD_Member) - Monday, Mar 16, 2026 at 16:57

Monday, Mar 16, 2026 at 16:57
I've been greasing the threads on the wheel nuts of my cars for the past 40yrs w/o any issues. Personally, I think not lubricating the thread on the wheel nuts can cause more issues than not lubricating. Obviously u ony use a small amount of grease.
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Reply By: Stephen L (Clare) SA - Sunday, Mar 15, 2026 at 14:06

Sunday, Mar 15, 2026 at 14:06
Hi Nick

I apply Never Seize, small dab on my finger and small amount to the wheel studs, then use my torque bar to the correct tension, never any problems betting them off and the smear on the studs stops any rusting.
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Follow Up By: Peter_n_Margaret - Sunday, Mar 15, 2026 at 14:11

Sunday, Mar 15, 2026 at 14:11
My understanding is that "Never Seize" is a serious NO-NO. Worse than grease.
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Follow Up By: Member - nick boab - Sunday, Mar 15, 2026 at 15:42

Sunday, Mar 15, 2026 at 15:42
Nerver seez tutorials

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Follow Up By: Stephen L (Clare) SA - Sunday, Mar 15, 2026 at 16:17

Sunday, Mar 15, 2026 at 16:17
Any reason why Peter?
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Follow Up By: Stephen L (Clare) SA - Sunday, Mar 15, 2026 at 16:32

Sunday, Mar 15, 2026 at 16:32
Wow Peter, just looked at a YouTube video , looks like better off using nothing, was nor aware of the consequences, thank you for the heads up.

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Follow Up By: Stephen L (Clare) SA - Sunday, Mar 15, 2026 at 17:06

Sunday, Mar 15, 2026 at 17:06
Now it gets really challenging, more google and YouTube, many suggest, yes use anti seize….but reduce the torque value by around 20%.


Is this now opening up a real can of worms ?
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Reply By: Member - nick boab - Sunday, Mar 15, 2026 at 15:29

Sunday, Mar 15, 2026 at 15:29
Before I wiped the excess grease off
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Follow Up By: Stephen L (Clare) SA - Sunday, Mar 15, 2026 at 16:35

Sunday, Mar 15, 2026 at 16:35
After watching a YouTube video, looks like I have been wrong and we all should just be using nothing, there is far more into it.

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Follow Up By: Stephen L (Clare) SA - Sunday, Mar 15, 2026 at 17:25

Sunday, Mar 15, 2026 at 17:25
Hi again Nick

Lots more watching and googling, yes they say use Never Seize or lubricant…..now for the can of worms, reduce the factory torque recommended setting by 20% to stop over stretching.

I am no expert, they the videos I watched all recommended this method and the reduction of the factory torque setting ?

Wonder what others now have to say ?
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Follow Up By: Peter_n_Margaret - Sunday, Mar 15, 2026 at 17:28

Sunday, Mar 15, 2026 at 17:28
I suspect that Never-Seez is very good at the job it is designed for and that makes it MUCH harder to completely remove compared to grease too?
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Follow Up By: Member - nick boab - Sunday, Mar 15, 2026 at 17:28

Sunday, Mar 15, 2026 at 17:28
Stephen, I think the lesson here is to be aware and learn new modern techniques.

I was told maney years ago by a diesel mechanic to use a little copper Grease
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Follow Up By: North 200 - Monday, Mar 16, 2026 at 09:38

Monday, Mar 16, 2026 at 09:38
In the black coal underground industry a little bit of lube is always used on wheel studs.
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Reply By: Allan B (Sunshine Coast) - Sunday, Mar 15, 2026 at 19:56

Sunday, Mar 15, 2026 at 19:56
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I used an anti-seize thread lubricant on the Troopy. Only lightly applied to the treads and not to the coned face of the nuts.

In the industries I worked in it was common to lubricate the threads of critical fastenings. I observed it but was not directly involved. I appreciated that the construction engineers acted upon established standards for these specific applications. For automotive application there seems to be no universal standard or advice. I can only observe that no new car of mine ever appeared to have lubricant on the wheel studs.

But consider the physics involved…. when tightening and using a torque wrench, the wrench is actually measuring or reacting to the torsional force, although this torsional force is a function of both the friction on the threads and on the face of the nut plus the clamping force or bolt stretch. The friction of the threads and nut face are somewhat variable due to the surface condition which will change from new and clean to dirty and somewhat corroded with time. Hence it is not a particularly accurate method of clamping to a particular force but is convenient. Lubricating the threads eliminates one variable but without expert engineering advice I was reluctant to lubricate the nut face. I still tightened the nut to the manufacturers specified torque value as I was unsure of the effect of the change and anyway still had the friction of the nut face in the equation. I felt that I had a more reliable clamping effect than with dry bolts. I never had any problem with nuts loosening.

In industry, the practice for some critical applications such as the flange bolts of high pressure natural gas pipelines, was to lubricate both the threads and the nut face and tighten the nut by hand wrench until positively tight. The nut was then rotated by a further specified number of rotation degrees usually by means of a slogging spanner and sledge hammer. This specified rotation combined with the thread pitch stretched the bolt by a known amount and produced the desired clamp force reliably. But no, I am not suggesting you do that to your wheels.
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Reply By: RMD - Monday, Mar 16, 2026 at 11:50

Monday, Mar 16, 2026 at 11:50
Nick.
I am amused as to how people take notice of YOUTUBE instructions, Grease/No GREASE. I particularly like the beginners guide to BRAIN SURGERY for the latest up to date methods. I do have a BATTERY DRILL and HOLE SAW.
I wonder IF anyone has actually tightened wheel nuts sufficiently, or perhaps torqued it.,- Marked the positions etc., and then added some lube to the SAME nut/STUD with the SAME TORQUE and see just how much more the FLATS of the NUT readily turns past the original position. I usually add a little lube spray to limit GALLING of nut and STUD thread. Just reducing torque by 20% because YT said so, is a bit SUS. The only real way is to measure the STUD stretch with lube and without at same torque. I used to rebuild CAT engines and often they used known length bolts and tightened to a specific STRETCH LENGTH increase which indicates CORRECT CLAMPING FORCE. NO TORQUE WRENCH used!
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