Snorkels Safari vs Airtech...for a reason

Submitted: Friday, Aug 13, 2004 at 18:05
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I just got a snorkel fitted to the GQ, but I wanted a Safari, and they fitted an Airtech by mistake. So my questions are.

Are there any major differences between the 2 brands?
Does the fact the Safari connects thru the guard directly into the airbox make it work better?
Can I fit a Donaldson pre cleaner to the Airtech?
Are the Airtechs any good???

I don't want advice about anyone being at fault, it was a verbal discussion and first of all if push came to shove i wouldn't really have a leg to stand on, also the bloke is a great mechanic, and i'd like to keep taking my car there, and it was just a simple mistake with no bad intentions. I can't honestly say I am thrilled, but it's a snorkel, and it works....right
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Reply By: Gajm (VIC) - Friday, Aug 13, 2004 at 18:16

Friday, Aug 13, 2004 at 18:16
I have done a bit of a search of the archives and a few responses say the airtec will not take the Donaldson pre cleaner, which is one reason I wanted the Safari.

The bloke who fitted it swore it would take one when I asked him tonight while picking up the car. he even went on to say "a mate of his who now has a GU has an old Donaldson pre filter that I could probably have, but he is up at Qld at the moment"

So if it doesn't then I guess I will be going the legal route after all
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Reply By: mr diamond - Friday, Aug 13, 2004 at 18:17

Friday, Aug 13, 2004 at 18:17
I can't honestly say I am thrilled, but it's a snorkel, and it works....right .
thats it mate as long as your happy.
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Follow Up By: Gajm (VIC) - Friday, Aug 13, 2004 at 18:22

Friday, Aug 13, 2004 at 18:22
To be honest I am sick in the guts, if it fits the Donaldson I will relax, as thats one reason I wanted the safari after talking to blokes like Roachie about them a while ago
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Follow Up By: Member - Roachie (SA) - Friday, Aug 13, 2004 at 18:29

Friday, Aug 13, 2004 at 18:29
That's a bloody shame mate, that you've had a misunderstaning like that with the bloke. If I'm not mistaken, the Airtec jobbie is the streamlined unit which has the head unit joining the long "stem" at the same angle as the "A" pillar???
If so, I think the only way you'll get a Donaldson to fit is if you cobble together an angled extension to fit into the down pipe so that you can get it pointing straight up....and then slip the Donaldson over the top of that. I'm thinking of one of those angled bit of 3" PVC water pipe for the job. The Donaldson requires a 3" pipe to go into it.
Hope this helps ol' mate.
Good luck.
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Follow Up By: Gajm (VIC) - Friday, Aug 13, 2004 at 18:55

Friday, Aug 13, 2004 at 18:55
Yep thats the one....and i didnt want to have to cobble anything together. Did my research, found what I wanted...and it all goes to p00p
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Reply By: navaraman - Friday, Aug 13, 2004 at 18:31

Friday, Aug 13, 2004 at 18:31
http://www.4wdmegastores.com.au/products_lz/snorkels/airtec

According to this site you can get a precleaner for an airtec.
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Follow Up By: Gajm (VIC) - Friday, Aug 13, 2004 at 19:10

Friday, Aug 13, 2004 at 19:10
Thanks for that, I had a look but it doesn't show what they call the precleaner anywhere
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Reply By: James M - Friday, Aug 13, 2004 at 18:31

Friday, Aug 13, 2004 at 18:31
What type of engine is in your gq.
The reason I ask is because for a 2.8td the safari costs about $200 more because it replaces the air filter box as well.
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Follow Up By: Gajm (VIC) - Friday, Aug 13, 2004 at 18:53

Friday, Aug 13, 2004 at 18:53
its a TD42 4.2 Diesel, The Safari one worked out at only $30 more
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Reply By: Member - Brian (Gold Coast) - Friday, Aug 13, 2004 at 18:35

Friday, Aug 13, 2004 at 18:35
Bugger!
But like has been said, if you're happy with it, thats all that matters.I would be surprised if a Donaldson couldn't be adapted somehow to fit to be honest. Hopefully it will all work out right!
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Reply By: mr diamond - Friday, Aug 13, 2004 at 18:41

Friday, Aug 13, 2004 at 18:41
so im dying to know dont be shy.
how did you end up with the wrong one?
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Follow Up By: Gajm (VIC) - Friday, Aug 13, 2004 at 19:03

Friday, Aug 13, 2004 at 19:03
I got a price for a Safari $400, $500 fitted, booked the car in to get a few things done, a week ago, and i asked if it would be any hassle to order me a Safari, and if he did the tune and found the injectors were ok, to fit the snorkel, he said it would take a couple of days to get in, but said he should keep one in stock anyway so that wouldn't be a problem.

When I picked it up I said thats not a Safari....he said he doesnt remember me saying anything about Safari, I said you even gave me a price, $400...look it up and see if thats what they go for, he did and said yep...but i dont remember you specificaly saying you wanted a Safari. i asked if it was something we could change, he said if it covers the old hole then yeah....but I don't really want another hole in the guard so he offered to fit me some Polyairs that I want, for $350 including fitting to make up for it, but wasn't a huge saving so i paid and left. he did offer to give me a 12 volt light cause he felt bad, but i can't accept something for nothing so told him no thanks
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Follow Up By: mr diamond - Friday, Aug 13, 2004 at 19:13

Friday, Aug 13, 2004 at 19:13
well that just sucks big time
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Follow Up By: Leroy - Friday, Aug 13, 2004 at 20:57

Friday, Aug 13, 2004 at 20:57
Is it really worth all the grief just to fit a precleaner? How often are you going to use it? Number of mates have the Airtec and are very happy and even do dusty outback trips and find they dont need a precleaner. You do have to keep an eye on your filter. It is disappointing that the wrong snorkle was fitted but Im sure you will find it will do an equally good job.

Leroy
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Follow Up By: Gajm (VIC) - Friday, Aug 13, 2004 at 22:51

Friday, Aug 13, 2004 at 22:51
It was more a case of researching what I wanted, saving the $ for it, then getting the wrong thing fitted, it just didn't sit too well. plus I did a search of the archives and the posts I read about Airtec were not too favourable. it's good to hear some positive feed back on them tho.
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Reply By: Member - Ivan (ACT) - Friday, Aug 13, 2004 at 21:21

Friday, Aug 13, 2004 at 21:21
What's the deal with driving in snow?

Got an idea that you need to (should) reverse the head so you don't fill the aircleaner up with snow and choke the engine.

Have seen a number of photo's of Safari's in snow, all with the head reversed.

I fitted a Safari for a trip across the Simpson - half filled it with sand!! (I do sit a little bit close to the bloke in front from time to time - but you can't get away from the dust of those coming towards you ;-)
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Follow Up By: Truckster (Vic) - Friday, Aug 13, 2004 at 22:50

Friday, Aug 13, 2004 at 22:50
no, you dont need to reverse the head in snow.
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Follow Up By: GC - Saturday, Aug 14, 2004 at 14:53

Saturday, Aug 14, 2004 at 14:53
Sorry to cut across you Truckster, but yes Ivan, if it's snowing hard enough and you're traveling in a forward direction, then you will find that the air ram packs with snow and and comresses. It *will* block the air intake after time - and usually when you least expect it. Turning the air ram around will keep the air entry relatively clear from snow and give the engine a chance of breathing properly.

You only need to experience it once to learn to keep a keen eye on the air entry.

Cheers
gc
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Follow Up By: Well 55 - Monday, Aug 16, 2004 at 08:44

Monday, Aug 16, 2004 at 08:44
The main problem with snow is all the trees hanging down with the weighit of snow on them, you come along with your shinning new banger hit the tree with the snorkle and a big blob lobs into the front of the intake.

I have had to stop two or three times to removre snow before I woke up and turned the head around.
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Follow Up By: GC - Monday, Aug 16, 2004 at 09:32

Monday, Aug 16, 2004 at 09:32
Indeed. Just came across a classic example of snow blocking a forward facing snorkel air ram. See: http://www.users.bigpond.com/g.goulden/CH4x4_snow04/pages/DCP_3046.htm

If you can't turn the air ram around then you have no choice but to get out of the car and get cold.

Cheers
gc
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Follow Up By: Truckster (Vic) - Monday, Aug 16, 2004 at 12:03

Monday, Aug 16, 2004 at 12:03
Never once turned mine around while up the snow.. Never had an issue.. Only ever had one trip where people have done it.

I think people like to look like hardcore drivers, thats the main reason people do it..

remember we arent in some country where it dumps 1200inches in 1 minute.
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Follow Up By: Member - Ivan (ACT) - Monday, Aug 16, 2004 at 12:09

Monday, Aug 16, 2004 at 12:09
Truckster,

Did you follow the link?? This is Victoria (Australia) last weekend..

Just because you don't do it, or haven't been in conditions where it's been needed ... No need to accuse others of being show ponies..

GC has provided good advice, from experience, and then shown a relevant photo from last weekend.

I'm sold ;-)
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Follow Up By: Well 55 - Monday, Aug 16, 2004 at 12:45

Monday, Aug 16, 2004 at 12:45
GC that link is spot on, if you happen to be the first vehicle along a track after or during snow thats exactly what you get.

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Reply By: Truckster (Vic) - Friday, Aug 13, 2004 at 22:41

Friday, Aug 13, 2004 at 22:41
Take it back and get what you asked for.
Simple.
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Follow Up By: Gajm (VIC) - Friday, Aug 13, 2004 at 22:47

Friday, Aug 13, 2004 at 22:47
I dont see how its simple truckster, they dont fit in the same place, guard has had the hole cut and the other bolts next to the screen
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Follow Up By: Truckster (Vic) - Friday, Aug 13, 2004 at 22:48

Friday, Aug 13, 2004 at 22:48
That is his problem, not yours. He did the wrong thing, he has to fix it.
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Follow Up By: Truckster (Vic) - Friday, Aug 13, 2004 at 22:50

Friday, Aug 13, 2004 at 22:50
which 4wd store was it?
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Follow Up By: Gajm (VIC) - Friday, Aug 13, 2004 at 22:56

Friday, Aug 13, 2004 at 22:56
Rather not say because he is a top mechanic and I don't want this to cause his business any hassles because ultimately it wasn't intentional
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Follow Up By: Truckster (Vic) - Friday, Aug 13, 2004 at 22:58

Friday, Aug 13, 2004 at 22:58
http://www.tjmproducts.com.au/snorkels.html

No mention of a Donaldson.

Im happy my spannerman doesnt to top work like that.

YMMV.
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Follow Up By: Gajm (VIC) - Friday, Aug 13, 2004 at 23:00

Friday, Aug 13, 2004 at 23:00
Doesn't he???
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Follow Up By: Savvas - Saturday, Aug 14, 2004 at 07:35

Saturday, Aug 14, 2004 at 07:35
Doesn't say Donaldson, but it does say " An optional pre-cleaner assembly is available for extreme dust operating environments."

Gajm ... I'd contact TJM if I were you and ask about the pre-cleaner. You may be giving yourself an ulcer for no real reason.
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Follow Up By: Truckster (Vic) - Saturday, Aug 14, 2004 at 15:51

Saturday, Aug 14, 2004 at 15:51
Precleaner would be one of the inside the guard air filter box's with an element at a guess..
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Reply By: Vinnie - Friday, Aug 13, 2004 at 23:24

Friday, Aug 13, 2004 at 23:24
Gajm
Bloody stroke of bad luck here mate. I have been thinking about getting a snorkle for a bit and decided on the Safari when the time comes. I hope I don't get the same problem, and as a learning curve from your experience I will get it in writting first.
Vinnie
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Reply By: Shaker - Saturday, Aug 14, 2004 at 12:24

Saturday, Aug 14, 2004 at 12:24
If it is any consolation, the genuine snorkel as fitted by Nissan ..... is an Airtec
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Reply By: Member - glenno (QLD) - Saturday, Aug 14, 2004 at 13:01

Saturday, Aug 14, 2004 at 13:01
I have an airtec snorkel . Replacement air cleaner element for HZJ75 4.2 diesel is $17(donaldson) . Similar for nissan . Carry a couple of spare elements if you are going into severely dusty conditions .
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Reply By: rolande- Saturday, Aug 14, 2004 at 22:07

Saturday, Aug 14, 2004 at 22:07
I thought from previous posts also that a pre-cleaner type head could not be fitted to a genuine nissan snorkel but could to the airtech. Then I saw a photo in one of the 4X4 trader magazines, not sure which one, that has a story by Ron Moon. In the sotry is a photo of a blue GU which is clearly fitted with a genuine snorkel, and has a pre-cleaner fitted to the top. It may have some type of tube manufactured to match but it looks as good as factory to me. So it definitely CAN be done!
If you find out how, please let us all know, the genuine is about $100 cheaper than the airtech.
Rolande
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Reply By: Michael_FNQ - Saturday, Aug 14, 2004 at 23:34

Saturday, Aug 14, 2004 at 23:34
I cannot believe how well you are taking this. You ordered a Safari snorkel and thats what you should get. I have seen TJM replace guards on vehicle where they have made the same mistake. It is hardly your fault that they like to sit on the fence and sell both brands of snorkel and then just day sorry when they fit the wrong one.
Big mistake and their big mistake!!!

At the VERY least it is up to them to make the adaptor to fit a donadson precleaner else replace the snorkel and fix the guard.
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