Banning Bulbars

Submitted: Wednesday, Jul 24, 2002 at 00:00
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Hi everyone,

the following was sent to me from
Bluey's Utes, thought people might
be interested in reading & responding
to their QUESTIONNAIRE in an
effort to support having Bullbars.
(although it's ute orientated it's
still relevant to those who have a
Bullbar )


Cheers
Robert
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G'day

In last weekend's Sunday-Telegraph (page 35) there was a very
one-sided
article about the "dangers of bullbars".

The article carried photos of a couple of 5 Poster Bullbars,
together with
alarmist comments such as:

"It's a Mad Max cult. It's based on that sort of look," said
Pedestrian
Council of Aust chairman Harold Scruby. "These things kill
people
and having them is nothing more than a case of mine is bigger
than yours".

As a result of the article, we have heard eye witness reports of
Police
defecting Utes with 5 Posters in western Sydney (and elsewhere),
and
ignoring requests by the driver to explain why the bullbar was
illegal. (In
one case the Police Officer simply referred the ute driver to the
newspaper
article). In one subsequent RTA inspection of a "defected Ute"
that we know
about, the RTA cleared the bullbar as being legal.

Bluey's strongly supports use of bullbars on Utes, and believes the
following:

* That most bullbars do comply with current RTA guidelines
(issued in
2001)
* That traditional "5 Poster" bullbars are healthy expression of
our
unique Aussie culture
* That there's nothing at all wrong with a "mine is bigger than
yours"
mentality - this same principle applies in many areas of daily
commercial
and sporting life
* That bullbars are a NECESSITY for vehicle/driver/passenger
protection and safety

We'd also like someone to prove that BULLBARS have killed people -
we
suspect that the presence of a bullbar made very little difference
in
most/all cases.

Bluey's also agrees that unsafe bullbars (eg with sharp protrusions
etc)
should be banned, but that such bullbars are a very tiny minority
of all the
bullbars that are on the road in NSW.

To combat the ignorance and misinformation on this issue, Bluey's
is
conducting a survey, the results of which it intends to present to
the
media. We want to present FACTS - not emotional drivel! We want
to present
THE UTE DRIVERS SIDE OF THE STORY.

If you would like to add your weight to this debate, please fill in
the
details below and email them back to us. Also, send this email on
to ANY of
your mates that has a bullbar, and encourage them to send them to
us so that
they can have their say too.

Please respond quickly so we can get back to the media while the
issue is
hot !!

Regards
John Bryant
Founder - Bluey's Ute World

QUESTIONNAIRE - Please complete and return to bluey@blueys.com.au

DO YOU HAVE A BULL BAR ON YOUR UTE Yes / No

WHAT TYPE OF BULLBAR ? 5 Poster / 4 Poster / Steel / Alloy /
Polyethylene

IS YOUR BULLBAR Home made / Shop bought

IS THERE ANYTHING PROTRUDING OUT THE FRONT OF YOUR BULLBAR Yes /
No

HOW MANY TIMES IN YOUR LIFE HAVE YOU HIT AN ANIMAL ? .......

HAS YOUR BULLBAR EVER SAVED YOUR LIFE or PREVENTED INJURY ?
Maybe / Yes
/ No

HAS YOU BULLBAR EVER SAVED YOUR UTE OR MINIMISED REPAIR COSTS ?
Maybe /
Yes / No

HAVE YOU EVER INJURED A PEDESTRIAN WITH YOUR BULLBAR ? Yes / No

WOULD YOU VOTE FOR A GOVERNMENT THAT BANNED BULLBARS ? Yes /
No

COMMENTS (Add here anything you feel is relevant)



BAN BULLBARS?????? HAVE YOUR SAY!!!!!
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Reply By: Colin- Wednesday, Jul 24, 2002 at 00:00

Wednesday, Jul 24, 2002 at 00:00
This subject has the potential of becoming another "Landrover v the rest" argument! - My point of view is - For the average recreational 4x4, a bull bar is just there to mount the driving lights and CB aerial or maybe a winch - I have had bars on different cars incld. Jackaroo and Subaru only because they were on them when I bought them. I removed the B Bar for a trip on the CSR to save weight and D/lights weren't needed and wildlife wasn't a problem(all day time driving). I think that ones money could be better spent on more important accessories. The types of bar shown in the newspaper article I believe should be banned because of their sharp edges and forward facing angles. "healthy expression of our unique Aussie culture" is not a reason to support this type of bar! I don't believe they will ever ban all bars, only those which pose a potential risk of injuring someone. I have heard(heard only) that 'RTA' in Canberra have been issuing unroadworthy stickers to cars in public carparks.
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Reply By: Savvas - Wednesday, Jul 24, 2002 at 00:00

Wednesday, Jul 24, 2002 at 00:00
Certain bullbars can be dangerous, subject to how the vehicle with the bar is being driven. I have all to often seen some really irresponsible use of vehicles with and without bullbars, and I wouldn't want to be hit by either. My Jackaroo has an ECB nudge bar simply for attaching lights and CB aerial. I don't need or want a full bullbar. I simply have no requirement for it. Others do, and I can't see how any legislation can effectively remove them from metro areas. It's the same argument against 4WDs in metro areas. People want to ban them because they presumably take up too much road real estate. Never mind the fact that a Commodore has a bigger footprint on the road than a Jackaroo or Prado. But how do you define them for the purposes of legislation? If it's simply by 4WD capability, then the purpose of the legislation will be circumvented by introducing 2WD SUV's as they do in the USA. If it's by size/height, you may see vehicles such as Taragos outlawed. The reality is that these are not easy issues to deal with and that is why it hasn't happened so far.
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Reply By: Member - Tony - Wednesday, Jul 24, 2002 at 00:00

Wednesday, Jul 24, 2002 at 00:00
Yes, its a touchy subject. I agree with Colin and Savvas, some of those pictured in the newspaper appeared a bit over the top. They didn't mention most of these vehicles are driven on country roads, at night, and in 'roo populated areas. Also, how many pedestrians are hit by bullbar equipped vehicles in country towns?? I live in western Sydney, use my fourby off road at least once a month (every two weeks in warm weather), and yes, I have a bullbar. It was on it when I bought it. It's a TJM alloy, no sharp protrusions and fully compliant. What annoys me are reports like last Sundays, taking the facts out of context and publishing misrepresenting photos. Why don't they picture all the shiny 4X4's parked in Double Bay, Cremorne, Rushcutter's Bay etc (posh Sydney areas), all equipped with bullbars and some even with winches. Heck, I don't think they'd even know how to use a winch! Some of these drivers have no idea; they think driving a 100 series is the same as a SAAB convertible, and that's how accidents happen. Bullbars don't kill pedestrians: lack of awareness and caution (by both driver and pedestrian) kills pedestrians. Cheers, Tony
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