Patrol 3.0 - 'MIRACLE CAR' OF THE MODERN MOTORING WORLD

Its fast gaining 'cult status' alright. maybe they will become collectable one day ;)

3.0 pootrols are defended so vigouroulsy because they even cop flack for buying the cheapest option from thier own side, by everyone who spent the extra and got the 4.2..........................

Something to be said for not needing to justify your purchase to anyone but yourself ;-)

It's a sad day when people are judged by price of the 4WD that they choose to buy or can afford. Hopefully, it's only a few miserable souls that subscribe to this view and that the majority don't judge people in this manner, or allow themselves to be counted in this group.

You better open your eyes and see the real world of tody Mr nissanofold, marketing is making people judge who is what by a brand name in everything we do these days unfortunately, though some demagraphics to more to prove themselves as correct than others too ;-).

My assessment is from dealing with the owners of said vehicle, which puts me in the unenviable position of being shown what I have said, rather than purely just thinking it.

More's the pity those who are so influenced by advertising and moreso those who think everyone else is as well. You are truly an individual to envy; to have such experience and depth of knowledge to be in touch with, if not all, at least the vast majority of Nissan Patrol owners and the neverending woes that befall them.

There are some that truly stand out in the crowd. You Sir, are one of them.

And dont you forget it 8-)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

NissanofOld,
I have learned much since joining this great forum.... indeed I learned much before I joined the forum. One of the things I learnt early on was that Mr GO_OFFROAD is a person who greatly values his own opinion, like most of us I guess, yet unlike most of us, seems to forget that there are opinions out there that differ from his, and that the people with those opinions are actually entitled to their own opinions. It's actually quite pleasant to ignore him........

nissanofold and brian, well said.

One of the great things is differing opinions, and experience, and I acknowledge that everyone has both, to different degree's, and this is where afew questions can soon help establish who has experienced what, and how, and who is repeating something they read, heard, or downloaded.....

Any thread is just text, without data ;-)

GO_OFFROAD, what a change in the tone of your post. It fairly sounds like your tail is between your legs! And with good reason.

Bjorn,
surely your not niave enough to think devils advocate doesnt play as big a part in thread posts as opinion and experience from time to time?

There is always a place for the Devil's Advocate in any discussion, but it's a matter of balance; give credit where credit is due and note that there are times when it's best to remain quiet. It's like a poor 'opposition' in government. If all they can do is singularly oppose everything the government of the day says or does, and offer nothing of value in return, the public soon tires of their rhetoric.

Totally agree,
hence, if you looked at more threads than 3.0 nissan ones, you would see plenty of tech information shared with the forum [A arms on 100 series, nissan engine building shop in melb, hilux suspension, prado and dtronic information to name afew]

So now you have outlined your problem as being like the "oppposition bench" you could perhaps do something to improve that position?

I actually do read other threads, and many different forums, as they provide a wealth of knowledge. But I do note that whenever anyone asks about the 3.0lt Patrol, your moniker is usually one of the first 'opposing' anything good that someone say about it. And you don't appear capable of carrying out a lucid debate without resorting to attacking the person, when you find yourself on the back foot.

Hey, ZI didnt make the 3.0 patrol, but I sure do comment on them, considerign what I ahve found in my experience with them.

If I get a positive experience from one, I will be sure to let you know about that too.

The rest is opinion.

Out of curiosity, how do your 'experiences' of the 3.0lt Patrol, which you don't yourself own, become matters of fact for the entire fleet; but that the actual experiences of those that do own them, become mere opinion?

NissanofOld - yes, GO_OFFROAD can be a bit abrasive sometimes but also has some very good info and experience, and offers it quite generously at times (I have locked horns with him before too;)). No doubt he would be one of the first to come to your assistance on this site when possible (if you have a yota LOL).

I'm not at all implying that he hasn't got good info or experience; from what I've seen, it's more at the high end than anywhere else. But the fact is that there are an awful lot of Patrol owners (of all engine types)really putting their vehicles to solid use, on a regular basis, without experiencing any problems. Most of the problems that are constantly regaled are now more a thing of the past and simply don't need to be harped on continuously. They're not everyone's cup of tea, but they are certainly competent, solid, reliable and value for money 4WDs, as many already know.

ye old nissan, you are missing the very point my information in the 3.0 threads has been relevent to.

Regardless of how old your opinion says these issues may be, when people are looking at second hand ones, asking which models to stay away from, and discussing resale of said engine configuration patrols, then the whole range of items they have had issues with becomes relevent.

You call my details a thing of the past, but not when in context to what the thread is about.

Dont forget I only mention the issues in threads people start asking about them, [apart from the joke last week 8-) and the info on the 3.0 engine rebuilds I passed onto the forum], so just because you ahve read it before, doesnt make it old news to everyone, or people wouldnt be asking.

I shall now ignore your opinions, unless you have something of value to add to threads.

Shevchenko,
You seem to know me better than some ;-)

Afew on this forum I know personally, but mostly I find, you tend to get back what you give out. I do get a laugh out of some of the replies I get back on this forum though, trouble is it just encourages me 8-)))

Reap what you sew etc.

Actually, this post didn't ask anything about the 3.0lt Patrol, it was merely a tongue-in-cheek follow-on from a previous post that did. In that earlier post you extended your comments beyond the 3.0lt and hung the proverbial on all GU Patrols. So it seems that you are not able to keep things in context.

Even in the context of older Patrols, if that is all that someone can afford, you certainly don't provide much more than the same predictions of doom and gloom, rather than perhaps outlining some risk prevention measures - even noting that Nissan has been repairing those failed engine when out of warranty. You seem to assume that everyone with an early model 3.0lt Patrol has experienced dire problems. That doesn't appear to be the case, unless you're suggesting that those who have stated that they have had no problems are liars.

Ignore my comments by all means, but are you suggesting that you now determine if someone's comments are of value to this forum?

So you can see a tongue in cheek thread, but not a reply to one?

I think you will find my replies are in context with the thread, just read the first line again in the first post........

Are you referring to this, your first line from this current thread?

'They are still work in progress, spend the extra and get the 4.2, and enjoy the security ;-)'

Certainly the query did say any comments welcome, but most would perhaps expect more.

Or were you referring to this, your first line from the previous thread?

'3.0 pootrols are defended so vigouroulsy because they even cop flack for buying the cheapest option from thier own side, by everyone who spent the extra and got the 4.2..........................'

It is just a little difficult to garner the difference between a tongue-in-cheek and a serious response I'm afraid. The more cynical readers may also think that these answers may not be entirely helpful, to someone looking for a way to balance the options. Unless it's all just tongue-in-cheek and you are really saying there's nothing whatsoever wrong with the 3.0lt Patrol, as many already know.

which part of "first post" did you not understand????

"Allegedly a hiddeous record of reliability yet class leading resale and continued sales and support."

Given it mentions the alledged hiddious record, it leaves it open for comment, regardless of age, as there is no particular year mentioned....

Now there you go! I thought that you weren't going to talk to me anymore, because I had nothing useful to contribute. So I'll give you a helping hand and make this my last word on this thread. Hope you feel better.

Very good oldnissan, choosing key words to base your replies on, that arent the truth, or in context.

Perhaps if you read and researched a little better, your posts would be more accurate...

gentlemen, round 2 of patrol bashing has begun
geeez, i glad i own a prado.

see, when youa re happy with what you have, you dont need to justify it to anyone, but yourself.

Im glad I own one too ;-)

Now now John....no need to feel inferior. You are most welcome amongst Nissanowners...hahahahaha

It sounds as if you're suggesting that, should the pen fail, then the sword shall be unsheathed.

Given your attempt to sound shakespearian N.O.O, shouldnt your user name of been "thy old nissan" instead of nissanofold..... 8-)

Whether 'tis nobler in the mind to suffer
The slings and arrows of outrageous fortune,
Or to take arms against a sea of troubles,
And by opposing, end them.

Thus is the life of a Nissan owner! But would one have it any other way?

GO_OFFROAD, are you intimidated by a skilled wordsmith???

The point is I'm not convinced the current 3.0 isn't a great truck. Whats missing from ALL of these threads is genuine stats and data, not stories from mates of mates. What is needed are total stats on vehicles sold AND blown engines. Its the only way to separate myth from fact, which just hasn't been done at all. The car is selling like hotcakes, and i can't imagine Nissan risking mass recalls if they knew there was a prob they hadn't fixed. Its just too risky.
I don't know how to obtain large scale stats...any ideas?

Bjorn,
not at all, but time and place for everything.

And I dont see a username based 'chat" forum for travellers as a requirement for litarary ambience.

And in the wash up, who cares what you drive....as long as your vehicle takes you to those majestical places. I have just updated by 16 years and am still driving an old vehicle. But that I suppose, is my character.

"Go get it and who cares what blows up"

Me if I'm 500kms from civilisation or rushing to get to an appointment.

navaraman , you can prep all you like , Murphis law will get you one day. I have seen the best prepped cars on the side of the road and some ill prepered vehicles make it no drama . This is the enature of the beast.
There is no such vehivcle that is bullet proof . this is my point . No one wants to break down , but law is it , that one day you will .

I once set my vehicle for a long trip . was very prowed of myself thinking i had done everything right . I even went to the trouble of a full front end overhaul when it didnt realy need it . Well I had to laugh when my gas switch fell apart in my hand when I went to flick it over . This is my point .

Anyone here or anywere for that mater , that thinks he own a bullet proof car , is a fool in my eyes

I agree Eric. I have a 3.0l with warranty and when it runs out in 2.5 years will look at maybe extending it then will prob sell the vehicle. It would of served me well buy then. I dont worry about the engine failing as there are so may other things that can fail plus it is all under warranty.

Leroy

Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder

Bjorn,
I agree on the nissans competitor in the looks dept, given the 3.0 patrol is priced with the sang yongs, hyundia's, Kia's, etc, which all look as you describe IMHO. ;-)

? Why are you parked on a stump.

or is that how you do running repairs.

Because I can!

What. Do running repairs.

What is your point? Indeed do you have one??

Just that it makes you look silly parked up on a stump, that must have jumped out in front of you. Not good for a club member to be seen to do that sort of thing aye,

The pic has been there for quite some time now, you are the only person who seems to have been offended by it, for that I apologise.

The pic was taken on a club trip, there was a queue up for the stump for posed pics, that is why the stump has been left where it is.... for cars to be photographed on it.

The property owner could easily have removed it when the tree was cut down, couldn't he?

See,,, that's the good thing about 4X4 parks... the facilitys are there for people to use, perhaps you should try it, you might find you like it. If not, that's ok too... whatever lights your candle y'know?

YMMV

No offence taken, I was just amused by the photo as to why, no that I'm fully informed I will try and find a stump am see if my GU will stand up like that. It maybe a bit hard as I pull all the stumps on my place.

Your right though its a good that there is parks for that sort of thing.

No worries Well, when you get a pic of it, post it somewhere for us to see!
Cheers