New GU 3ltr Patrol Noisy Fan Belt
Submitted: Wednesday, Aug 18, 2004 at 17:06
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Hi my Patrol is 2 weeks old.
Firstly I have not owned a 4x4 for quite some years, last one was a FJ60 Cruiser.
The day I got my new 4x4 the belt started to make a lot of noise. I took it back the next day and the service dept put some dry lube on the belt saying that
water sometimes gets stuck under the belt on the pulley.
Well 2 weeks now and it still squeaks, not as much but always when cold.
When the engine is warm and has been turned off an on again it doesn't realy squeak but still makes a noise (dare I say like a dry bearing noise kinda)
I bought some dry lube my self and have applied it. It lasts for a few hours.
Well the car is due for first 1k service soon and I hope to get it sorted out.
Any help would be great or is this just normal noise as the belt wears in.
The car is at 750km now.
Reply By: Truckster (Vic) - Wednesday, Aug 18, 2004 at 17:10
Wednesday, Aug 18, 2004 at 17:10
Hand them the keys and dont take it back until your happy with it.
PS.. I WANT ONE
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Follow Up By: Adds - Wednesday, Aug 18, 2004 at 17:11
Wednesday, Aug 18, 2004 at 17:11
Hmm maybe I keep my trusty VX SS commodore for a bit longer.
But I will be taking it to another dealer to service. Not too sure on this one. I intend on doing lots of Km's so I want it right.
TKS
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Follow Up By: Rick Blaine - Wednesday, Aug 18, 2004 at 17:45
Wednesday, Aug 18, 2004 at 17:45
Truckster is right... be firm but polite... could bee something like a faulty bearing in maybe the tensioner pully...But I had similar stupid problems with my Jackeroo when it was very new and I did get them corrected after a letter from my legal council making the matter very clear... You know the dealer's response was... Oh mr
watson accepted the vehicle we thought the faults had been corrected...
It's a pain in the backside, I know but the mistake most people make is accepting the vehicle after a service without checking that any work has been done. CHECK it before you drive away and if it's not perfect walk back ito the service dept and tell them and demand transport home. Best results are always obtained if you speak clearly and at sufficient volume that other customers can hear you but remain cool, calm and logical. It has worked for me with my Jackeroo on many occassions, but my brother in law says that Nissan are fairly good to deal with as opposed to Holden.. although Holden's Customer Care does try and sort things out...
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Follow Up By: Adds - Wednesday, Aug 18, 2004 at 17:49
Wednesday, Aug 18, 2004 at 17:49
For sure! I am verry easy to get along with.
My main concern is gathering confidence in the vehicle so that it will travel quite a few km's per year for me on long hauls.
(normaly 6 - 9 hrs highway running at a time) with offroad work as
well!
Pleased to say I got it dirty on the first weekend and the kids had a ball!
Soon as I am confident the vehicle is ok, I will venture further (with care). Just need to get some experience in a 4x4 again. Bit different to my 450HP SS
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Follow Up By: Member - Jeff M (WA) - Thursday, Aug 19, 2004 at 19:09
Thursday, Aug 19, 2004 at 19:09
I agree, more likley to be a bearing in a tensioner pully or similar, brand new belt squeaking like dry bearing noise. Sounds more like a dry bearing squeaking like a dry bearing! LOL
Get'm to fix the bloody thing, how much mula to you have to shell out for one of those!? I wouldn't be happy if it was second hand and doing that!
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Reply By: Member - Captain (WA) - Wednesday, Aug 18, 2004 at 17:37
Wednesday, Aug 18, 2004 at 17:37
Hi Adds,
It is definetely not normal to have this noise IMHO. Not only does my GU not make the noise, it doesn't even after
water crossings when there is
water under the belt. Without seeing it, sounds more like a pulley is not quite in alignment somewhere, but who knows. Any difference if the air con is off/on?
Just keep at the dealer till its fixed.
Cheers
Captain
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Follow Up By: Adds - Wednesday, Aug 18, 2004 at 18:30
Wednesday, Aug 18, 2004 at 18:30
I see you are in WA. So am I.
I will probably join as a member of this site as the response in the last hour is great and there is lots of information.
Unfortunately my father has moved from
Kalbarri to
Geraldton due to health reasons but I will still spend a lot of time north.
The new car makes a good excuse to get out on the weekends and go exploring WA. Unfortunately with the size of my family (4kids) we had to take both cars to go somewhre. I decided the GU 3DI turbo ST 7 seater was the best option for me.
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Follow Up By: Member - Chris M (QLD) - Thursday, Aug 19, 2004 at 10:14
Thursday, Aug 19, 2004 at 10:14
Adds,
What captain said, I picked up my new GU a couple of weeks ago and it's been great. No noise, already done 1400 k's and I think the 4.2TDI donks going to take me alot of
places.
No reason to stress though, some may tell you to take the 3L back but they are a good motor this time round and super powerful. Pull up beside someone like me and laugh all the way whilst I breath in you diesel smoke!
Cheers
Chris.
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Follow Up By: Member - Jeff M (WA) - Thursday, Aug 19, 2004 at 19:13
Thursday, Aug 19, 2004 at 19:13
What diesel smoke??? The 3.0TDI Patrols (with all their past problems) still have to be one of the most powerful and clean burning diesels around.
Sure enough, I whinge about them, but you've gotta give credit where it's due IMO.
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Follow Up By: Member - Chris M (QLD) - Friday, Aug 20, 2004 at 07:23
Friday, Aug 20, 2004 at 07:23
Jeff,
That is to be read as the 3L would pull away from me in the 4.2 and all I'd be left doing is breathing in spent diesel fumes. I'm not one of the knockers of the 3L, think they are a superior vehicle. All vehicles have teething problems, Fords, Holdens, they all have model issues, one better than the other. And yes, the 3L does blow diesel smoke, all do when up them, it's a fact of life and what's more...I like it!
Cheers mate,
Chris.
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Follow Up By: Member - Jeff M (WA) - Friday, Aug 20, 2004 at 11:10
Friday, Aug 20, 2004 at 11:10
Chris I was not knocking you mate! I have followed our work GU when the boss has flogged it and very rarley is there visible black smoke, of course it blows some smoke on occasion, the point I was trying to make was that they are absolutally amazing in regards to the cleanliness of their burn.
Even on startup, only a tiny amount of smoke comes out, barley even noticable.
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Reply By: Adds - Wednesday, Aug 18, 2004 at 17:41
Wednesday, Aug 18, 2004 at 17:41
No no diff with the a/c on or off. Strange realy. I also got 5 yr warranty with it So It will be fixed. It can be quite loud when cold. But the squeak - squeeel goes away when warm. I will take a good look at the belt later today and see if there is any tell tale signs of damage starting to apear on it. This may tell me if something is not alligned? Noting that the A/C pulley is grooved.
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Reply By: Member - Ken - Wednesday, Aug 18, 2004 at 18:51
Wednesday, Aug 18, 2004 at 18:51
Evening Adds
Here is a little diagnostic test you can run to see if it is a pulley bearing or belt.
Have a can of WD40, CRC,or INOX (I use INOX) ready with a nozzle attached if available.
Open the bonnett and work out whether or not you can spray a squirt somewhere where the belt/s are rolling onto a pulley. Make sure it is the on side.
Have a few 'dry'practise runs of giving it a squirt in the required area, making sure all your bits'' are and will be clear of danger. (Don't spray it under any circumstances at this time or you will ruin the test).
When you are comfortable with all that, fire it up while its cold and squeaking its guts out and give it a spray. Make sure you get all drive belts and don't drown it.
If the squeak stops immediately then its the belt/s. If not then, its possibly a bearing etc.
I had one of these problems years ago and thats hown the service tech, diagnosed the problem, and I've used the technique a zillion times ever since.
On this occassion it was a belt.
Regards
Ken Robinson
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Reply By: Member - Frank - Wednesday, Aug 18, 2004 at 20:19
Wednesday, Aug 18, 2004 at 20:19
if you know what your doing
tighten it (the belt) donot tell them as they alreadry have done this
it will do the following
stop squeking : break : or stuff the already stuffed pully
this advise is free and bears no responsability
but if it is as new as it seems just go back to them and ask what the best time woud be to have 60 minuts around or could they arrange for the rra or equivalent to ask them whats wrong as they do seem to know, unfortunatly it sometimes seems to be nessasary to be ( rude ).
I had a distant relly die a few years back and I was the only one that would handel the estate as everyone else knew it would cost and when I found a small ins policy on one of his assets they did not want to pay unless I could prove death. it seemed that a death certificate was not enough, they soon changed there mind when I arrange to have morge make them responsible for the body, (he would have loved it ,the relly had a good sence of rhe rediculus).
sic-um fokes
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Reply By: sean - Wednesday, Aug 18, 2004 at 20:20
Wednesday, Aug 18, 2004 at 20:20
I had a 3 litre and at times it would develop a VERY noisy belt. REALLY NOISY at times. I tried spray stuff that did not really work and found that the noise would abate itself after a fair bit of running and stay good until the belt got dirty again for some reason. Over 60-70 thousand ks it was only badly noisy on a few occasions.
I suggest that you just ask Nissan to look at it to see that the pullys are not wobbly and if all ok then ask for a new belt. I think that there are lots of 3 litres the same as yours.
Sean
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Reply By: Michael - Wednesday, Aug 18, 2004 at 20:50
Wednesday, Aug 18, 2004 at 20:50
Just replace the belts, My Gu 4.2td did that after about 80,000 ks, keep them for spares. It will definately fix the problem
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Follow Up By: Michael - Wednesday, Aug 18, 2004 at 20:51
Wednesday, Aug 18, 2004 at 20:51
ooopppps ,its a new one,,,,, tell them to replace the belts.
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Reply By: Kiwi Ray - Wednesday, Aug 18, 2004 at 21:13
Wednesday, Aug 18, 2004 at 21:13
Hi
I am not a fan of sprays on belts but a dry cake of soap held against the running belts both sides will sort it out and also identify which belt
Ray
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Reply By: Member - Michael- Wednesday, Aug 18, 2004 at 21:58
Wednesday, Aug 18, 2004 at 21:58
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TAKE IT BACK!!(sorry to shout) There is no way that this should occur, make the dealer earn his money or ask for yours back or a new vehicle
Mike
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Follow Up By: Adds - Wednesday, Aug 18, 2004 at 22:12
Wednesday, Aug 18, 2004 at 22:12
I am going to a different dealer to get them to take a look at.
(These guys dont seem real
bright - thats another story)
They seem to be on the ball a little more.
I have no issue's with nissan at all, the 4B seems great in all other areas. I had a look at it again before with hood up and it seems to be belt related or the a/c roller making it squeak when cold. There is still a noise when worm and if you listen to it, you can get it timed with the belt rotation at different rpm. Doesn't sound too major to me just a bit concerned about loosing the belt or a pulley so I wont venture too far.
It is more embarrassing than anything, New car - Shiny but sounds like a 10yo falcon (sorry ford owner, im a holden man)
At first I thought it may have been me getting used to deisel noise, but not the squeak. Thanks for the replies and keep them comming, and when I get the answer/fix I will post it for all to know.
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Reply By: Moz - Wednesday, Aug 18, 2004 at 22:06
Wednesday, Aug 18, 2004 at 22:06
Hi Adds,
Interesting that you have a VX SS as some of those engines had an issue
with squealing belts.
The problem - misaligned power steering pump.
A quick spray of lube or whatever would fix for a while but
would soon come back.
The pump would not have to be misaligned by much, maybe 1-2 mm,
to cause a problem.
So I would be having a good look at the belt alignment.
There may be no conclusive evidence on the belt (markings/damage)
to indicate because the car is so new, but nevertheless that may be problem.
Take it back to your selling dealer and be firm but polite gets best results.
Cheers
Moz
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Reply By: Member - Nissan Gnome - Wednesday, Aug 18, 2004 at 22:07
Wednesday, Aug 18, 2004 at 22:07
Adds, my 2003 GU patrol had a similar squeak and it was the belt tensioner pulley - they replaced it under warranty and the squeak is gone - drove me nuts with wd40 etc and replaced the belts too. In the end the dealer replaced this part and "no problem". Hope this helps.
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Reply By: Nomad - Wednesday, Aug 18, 2004 at 23:41
Wednesday, Aug 18, 2004 at 23:41
Just had exactly the same problem with our 3.0. Just had it's 80K service which included a new serpentine belt. Of course by this time the car was cold so when the started it up it squeeled. They stuffed around with it for 1/2 an hour at which time it stopped squeeling and they couldn't make it do it again.
Anyway took it
home and in the morning when it was cold, guess what, it squeeled. When it warmed up it stopped. After a week we took it back. Took it in the arvo so that they would have it cold in the morning. I thought it might be the tensioner but they diagnosed a faulty belt and replaced it. No cost of course.
We are waiting to see what happens tomorrow morning.
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Follow Up By: Adds - Thursday, Aug 19, 2004 at 10:43
Thursday, Aug 19, 2004 at 10:43
Same thing this morning. Squeel. Its loud with windows up. You should here it with them down. I should take a recording of it and put on my website for you to listen too. Funny thing happened this morning though.
I was cut off by a car that turned in front of me (surely they must know that being hit by 2tonne of patrol with a steel bull bar is not good for your health.) Anyhow I pulled up in time but had to break verry heavily.
Soon as i got going again it had stopped. Maybe the force on the breaking alligned something again. Best I have heard it yet lol.
Though I guess it will start again.
Well it gets looked at on saturday morning.
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Reply By: Rob W. - Thursday, Aug 19, 2004 at 07:02
Thursday, Aug 19, 2004 at 07:02
Adds,
Get them to
check the drive belt tensioner.
Mine did the same thing, I investigated it myself, having changed the belt with no difference. I eventually found the belt tensioner was loose arond the top mounting bolt. Nissan changed it under warranty.
Regards,
Rob
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Follow Up By: andrew & FI - Thursday, Sep 09, 2004 at 20:01
Thursday, Sep 09, 2004 at 20:01
Adds, as an owner of a 3.O 2000 GU, my patrol just clocked over 125K Kms. I found that I had a slight vibration starting then a rattling noise around the A/C. My trusty Nissan Dealer told my wife that the noise was the A/C clutch. They ordered the part &now it has arrived. I had a look at the belt & tensioner myself by levering the tensioner bracket slightly with a screw driver when the engine was running (you have to be careful)& found that the bearing was faulty & the securing bolt nylon bush was worn. I replaced this part $295 as it all comes as one assy. Now I have no vibration & all is quiet as a mouse. Nissan dealer rang me today to ask when they could change over the A/C compressor $1700.00 worth. You can imagine their surprise when I told them that I worked out the problem with a screwdriver! I've got the old part now & am getting a new bearing for the tensioner & machining a new nylon bolt bush for future use. I am selling my 2000 GU & have just purchased a run out 2004 GU 3.0L with all the trimmings. Can't wait to drive it!!!!!! Suggest that you insist on getting the tensioner replaced as these tensioners are renowned in the industry for failure. Ring Autotract in Essendon Vic 93978833 if you want more info as they helped me out.
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Reply By: Nomad - Thursday, Aug 19, 2004 at 17:46
Thursday, Aug 19, 2004 at 17:46
As I said in my previous thread, I was having my squeel fixed yesterday. All better now. No squeeling this morning. Used to only do it when cold.
Dealer replaced faulty auxillary belt tensioner. No charge as they had just replaced the belt and the truck is under an extended warranty.
So if your service centre can't find the problem you can now give them a hint
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