4WDs 'choking globe in dust'

Submitted: Friday, Aug 20, 2004 at 08:12
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From this mornings Couriermail..........

4WDs 'choking globe in dust'
From correspondents in London
20aug04

THE increasing popularity of off-road four-wheel drive cars is threatening to envelop the globe in a cloud of dust, with potentially severe effects on the environment, a British scientist said today.

The process - dubbed "Toyotarisation", after the Japanese vehicle maker Toyota - could have severe consequences for human health, coral reefs and climate change, said Andrew Goudie, a professor of geography at Oxford University.

"The number of four-wheel drives now in the southwest USA and the Middle East is staggering," said Professor Goudie, warning that the vehicles had a major impact on desert environments.

"They destabilise the desert surface. You can still see tracks from Second World War vehicles in the Libyan desert," he told the International Geographical Congress in Glasgow, Scotland.

The rapid annual increase in dust production - parts of North Africa have seen a 10-fold rise in the past 50 years - coupled with the growing frequency of dust storms, brought a "magnitude" of environmental consequences, he said.

"Dust is one of the least understood components of the earth's atmosphere but one which may have a greater importance than has been realised up until now for climate change," Prof Goudie said.

Around 2000 to 3000 million tonnes of dust were now emitted per year. Huge amounts of dust were dispersed through dust storms that sent it around the globe, meaning the environmental effects could be felt anywhere, he said.

What next?????

John
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Reply By: Eric from Cape York Connections - Friday, Aug 20, 2004 at 08:49

Friday, Aug 20, 2004 at 08:49
The poms are a boring lot they seem to do studies on any thing .
They could spend there time and money on a usfull study like say the cure of cancer or even the common cold.
No but dust .
Have you ever noticed when you hear of one of these pointless studies 9 out 10 times its the poms.

All the best
eric
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Follow Up By: GO_OFFROAD - Friday, Aug 20, 2004 at 15:13

Friday, Aug 20, 2004 at 15:13
"They destabilise the desert surface. You can still see tracks from Second World War vehicles in the Libyan desert," he told the International Geographical Congress in Glasgow, Scotland. "

If they cause so much destabalisation, how can tracks still be visible from the 2nd world war????

Surely they would of become dust too by now if what he said was true.
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Follow Up By: flashnick - Friday, Aug 20, 2004 at 23:39

Friday, Aug 20, 2004 at 23:39
OK so Deforestation, Development and Urbanization dont cause lower rainfall and more dust - 4WDs do!! - Hmm how interesting I must inform the Scientists that they are wrong about Climate Change
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Reply By: Member - PatC - Friday, Aug 20, 2004 at 09:17

Friday, Aug 20, 2004 at 09:17
Britian... Britian... that's that little island of the coast of France isn't it...
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Follow Up By: fatz - Friday, Aug 20, 2004 at 15:12

Friday, Aug 20, 2004 at 15:12
Nope, it's a little island off the cost of Ireland......
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Follow Up By: rolande- Friday, Aug 20, 2004 at 16:48

Friday, Aug 20, 2004 at 16:48
No, its the little island off the coast of Europe
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Reply By: Truckster (Vic) - Friday, Aug 20, 2004 at 09:26

Friday, Aug 20, 2004 at 09:26
just get used to it, they will keep slingingbleepat us, as we are an easy target with no leadership..

... If you call the 4wd association leaders, your blind. When was the last time you HEARD from them on any of these articles?
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Reply By: V8Diesel - Friday, Aug 20, 2004 at 09:47

Friday, Aug 20, 2004 at 09:47
No danger of that in England anyway, all the Landrovers would be up on hoists......;-)

Ooooohhhhhh..........
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Reply By: GUPatrol - Friday, Aug 20, 2004 at 10:30

Friday, Aug 20, 2004 at 10:30
Don't these people have a life??

Get a life!! Couriermail...
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Reply By: Nudenut - Friday, Aug 20, 2004 at 10:51

Friday, Aug 20, 2004 at 10:51
its those bloody Range Rovers and Landies..

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Reply By: Rob! - Friday, Aug 20, 2004 at 11:28

Friday, Aug 20, 2004 at 11:28
That's why I don't buy the courier mail.

I don't see what the increase in the popularity of 4wd vehicles, in the united states or australia, has to do with a 10-fold rise of dust in the past 50 years in parts of North Africa. The majority of these vehicle never go off road anyway.

This guy must be ralated to scrubby and Brisbane is a one newspaper town so they write anything, just to fill up the pages.

R.

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Reply By: hoyks - Friday, Aug 20, 2004 at 11:54

Friday, Aug 20, 2004 at 11:54
I think a bit of wind and a drought will shift more dirt than a fleet of 4x4's could.
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Follow Up By: hoyks - Saturday, Aug 21, 2004 at 18:14

Saturday, Aug 21, 2004 at 18:14
I am also thinking that a soil type that has tracks in it from 60 years ago is quite stable and resistant to erosion. But I am just a dumb aircraft mech, what would I know.
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Reply By: Truckster (Vic) - Friday, Aug 20, 2004 at 12:36

Friday, Aug 20, 2004 at 12:36
"They destabilise the desert surface. You can still see tracks from Second World War vehicles in the Libyan desert," he told the International Geographical Congress in Glasgow, Scotland.

Has anyone else heard such a load ofbleepas this? What they have no wind there in the last 50 years? Unless as others on ol have said they are trade routes, that are constatly used, like the hume hwy!
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Follow Up By: Eric from Cape York Connections - Saturday, Aug 21, 2004 at 13:43

Saturday, Aug 21, 2004 at 13:43
The tracks they see are probably roads .

All the best
Eric
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Reply By: Member - Alan- Friday, Aug 20, 2004 at 13:05

Friday, Aug 20, 2004 at 13:05
Most of the tossers coming out with these crap reports in the UK or Australia, (or any other country for that matter) are probably being paid by us, the long suffering taxpayer, and they've got to justify their existence!
Don't worry about them or the reports, a real news item will come up soon and they'll forget all about us for a while.

What we should worry about is the lack of response from all the 4wd organisations we belong to.
How about them forgetting their petty differences and banding together to lobby some of the enormous amount ofbleeps we pay to sit in the various parliaments around the country?
Remember what they did and are continuing to do to shooters, because that's the future if we don't make sure they know we won't stand for the locking up of huge tracts of land and other un-necessary restrictions on our activities, so that only a select few can enjoy them!
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Reply By: Moose - Friday, Aug 20, 2004 at 13:32

Friday, Aug 20, 2004 at 13:32
Bloody hell - he must have been at Mt Mee on the Ekka holiday following our convoy. Talk about choking dust. SE Qlders will know what I mean.
Seriously - what other crap can they try to pin on us?
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Reply By: Member - Jeff M (WA) - Friday, Aug 20, 2004 at 13:42

Friday, Aug 20, 2004 at 13:42
Can you post the name of the person who "wrote" the article so we can write them a letter personally? Tell him what a no hoper he is, and to get a life. If he get's enough negative feedback, he might think twice before doing it again.
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Follow Up By: MrBitchi - Friday, Aug 20, 2004 at 13:56

Friday, Aug 20, 2004 at 13:56
"From correspondents in London"
Doesn't look like they're game enough to own up.
John
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Follow Up By: Truckster (Vic) - Friday, Aug 20, 2004 at 14:41

Friday, Aug 20, 2004 at 14:41
emailing him will only show that you are reading his chit.. Then once he proves he has a good reader basis he will look for more crap...
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Reply By: Member - Hugh (WA) - Friday, Aug 20, 2004 at 14:15

Friday, Aug 20, 2004 at 14:15
What a load of "Bull Dust"
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Reply By: locallaw - Friday, Aug 20, 2004 at 15:25

Friday, Aug 20, 2004 at 15:25
Gidday All, Be very carefull here if the greenies get ahold of this we might be in a little of trouble.LOL
Seeya Locallaw
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Reply By: Truckster (Vic) - Friday, Aug 20, 2004 at 16:15

Friday, Aug 20, 2004 at 16:15
I reckon one of DUBYA's play wars is creating more dust in 1 week than 4wd's right through out history!
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Reply By: Flash - Friday, Aug 20, 2004 at 16:30

Friday, Aug 20, 2004 at 16:30
What about your average farmer towing a plough behind his tractor.
Tell 'em all to stop it! (And BTW we'll all starve to death, so that'll definitely fix the problem.)

Thank goodness all those 2WD vehicles driving along dirt roads don't make any dust!
Oh, and ban dirt roads too, I guess.

I say ban all 4WD's ! Immediately!

LOL
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Follow Up By: Utemad - Friday, Aug 20, 2004 at 17:59

Friday, Aug 20, 2004 at 17:59
I think we should ban everything. That way we will all live long and BORING lives!
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Reply By: isaac - Friday, Aug 20, 2004 at 18:22

Friday, Aug 20, 2004 at 18:22
Cmon now, just look at all the good things the poms are doing for the environment, like saving water by only bathing once a week......
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Reply By: Savvas - Friday, Aug 20, 2004 at 18:27

Friday, Aug 20, 2004 at 18:27
Oh you have got to be kidding
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Reply By: Member - John C (QLD) - Friday, Aug 20, 2004 at 20:20

Friday, Aug 20, 2004 at 20:20
Did someone say they were going to ban Landrovers.?!!....:(((
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Follow Up By: Member - Lindsay S (Int) - Saturday, Aug 21, 2004 at 20:12

Saturday, Aug 21, 2004 at 20:12
Are you kidding! The Land Rover is the only vehicle in this reprehensible class which had designers far sighted enough to balance the dreaded 4X4 dust (which is twice as deadly as any other known form of dust) with leather seals, small breathers and cork gaskets. This cunning plan enables the dust laying qualities of oil to be utilised as the dust is created thereby creating an environmental balance which is guaranteed to bring a tear to the eye of the most hardened greeny.
We Land Rover owners are owed a debt of gratitude and should be able to claim the cost of the oil as an operating overhead from Greenpeice.
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Reply By: Member - Jack - Saturday, Aug 21, 2004 at 16:10

Saturday, Aug 21, 2004 at 16:10
"They destabilise the desert surface. You can still see tracks from Second World War vehicles in the Libyan desert," he told the International Geographical Congress in Glasgow, Scotland.

Has anybody told this clown that it is pretty hard to get a 2WD to travel across deserts, and if they could, the results would be at least as bad ..... or perhaps we should start looking at tanks, armoured personneld carriers and other tracked vehicles.

Jack
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