full time vs part time 4wd

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Any views on full time vs part time 4wd? In particular 100 series landcruiser version.
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Reply By: Member - Jiarna (SA) - Saturday, Aug 21, 2004 at 22:39

Saturday, Aug 21, 2004 at 22:39
Don't know 100 series, but my 80 series is full time 4WD and copes very well on loose gravel surfaces such as Oodnadatta roads. Have heard some stories about full time 4WD wearing out front diffs more than part time 4WD, but I haven't been able to wear out either of them. Also some claims about using more fuel in full time 4WD - my figures show no difference with part time hubs locked or freewheeling on hospital car, so I think it's not an issue.
Just my opinion
John
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Reply By: Chris (W.A.) - Sunday, Aug 22, 2004 at 05:10

Sunday, Aug 22, 2004 at 05:10
I get 20L per 100kms for the petrol and that's including the accessories. I've heard same as above but it's more important to rotate your tyres every 5000kms.

My idea of rotating is swapping back to front to back.

Keep your left tyres on the left side and right on the right.

The front left seems to wear quicke than the rest.
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Follow Up By: navaraman - Sunday, Aug 22, 2004 at 09:21

Sunday, Aug 22, 2004 at 09:21
Why keep the tyres on the same side of the car? Surely you end up with two worn tyres on the left and two better, less worn tyres on the right. Why not swap sides, just curious.
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Follow Up By: ross - Sunday, Aug 22, 2004 at 15:18

Sunday, Aug 22, 2004 at 15:18
Yep as navaraman pointed out.You need to swap left to right as well to counter the wear effect on the outer edge of the tyres when cornering
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Follow Up By: Nudenut - Sunday, Aug 22, 2004 at 18:20

Sunday, Aug 22, 2004 at 18:20
mmm have heard this before keep left on left and right on right ....they reckon to keep the the tyres rotating in the same direction

but i think this is a carry over from directional tyres used on those toy two wheel drive cars
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Follow Up By: Member - Captain (WA) - Sunday, Aug 22, 2004 at 19:29

Sunday, Aug 22, 2004 at 19:29
I rotate my tyres as such;

spare to Front right
Front rightto rear right
Rear right to front left
Front left to rear left
Rear left to spare.

I was given this tip here on the forum some time back and have been using it for 20,000kms now (every 5,000km rotate). I measure the tyre wear each rotation and have found this evens out the wear very well and have "flat" tyres across the face.

Cheers

Captain
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Follow Up By: Chris (W.A.) - Wednesday, Aug 25, 2004 at 05:05

Wednesday, Aug 25, 2004 at 05:05
It's to do with keeping the structure of the tyre moving in the one direction.

I believe, on advice, that continually rotating the tyres so they roll opposite directions can actually shorten the life of the tyre hence weaken the internal structure - belts etc. They get used to rolling in the one direction.

Of course major tyre sellers/dealerships may mention otherwise as it gives them more business.

Navaraman, I used the same rotations on my last all-terrains and got 80,000kms out of them with .5mm legal depth left over.

Yes, I do take them off road. never tried the other ways of rotating though. Am trialling the coopers.
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Reply By: Member - Jack - Sunday, Aug 22, 2004 at 06:53

Sunday, Aug 22, 2004 at 06:53
Ther are tens of thousands (millions??) of 80 Series Cruisers (including mine) running around with fulltime 4WD, and not many of them pulled over to the side of the road with busted diffs.

I think a lot of these sorts of "theories" come from those who do very serious "rock hopping" which is beyond the desires and capabilities of the standard vehicle/driver. Full time 4WD gives me one less thing I have to think about or remember.

Jack

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Follow Up By: Brian - Monday, Aug 23, 2004 at 14:00

Monday, Aug 23, 2004 at 14:00
Range Rover and then land Rover have had constant since the early 70's

Brian
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Reply By: Member Eric - Sunday, Aug 22, 2004 at 08:54

Sunday, Aug 22, 2004 at 08:54
I have a 80 series and also built a 100 series for a mate , Both run full time and we do serious off road work . Never given us any problems , if anything , it now is anoying to go out with someone who has to get out to lock his hubs lol .

I noticed your thread on barn doors , now on part time 4wd , I think you need to buy yourself a standard and fit it out with elecric windows and intirior, much cheaper option lol . We just did one ,
found a full leather intirior for 2k and 4 complete doors for 2k . We still have 4 door shells to sell , whitch will fetch around 200 each.
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Follow Up By: Member- Peter & Mrs Peter, Lez - Sunday, Aug 22, 2004 at 10:39

Sunday, Aug 22, 2004 at 10:39
Cant agree that that is a cheaper option, GXL V8 on road, drive away for around $59,000. LC105, + air cond, drive away around $53,000.
If you want fulltime 4wd, carpet interior and tail gate, better get GXL to start with. IMHO.
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Follow Up By: Member Eric - Sunday, Aug 22, 2004 at 12:01

Sunday, Aug 22, 2004 at 12:01
who said anything about a new car ? lmao

and if your paying 59 k drive away , its evedent you didnt call me first lol
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Follow Up By: Chris (W.A.) - Wednesday, Aug 25, 2004 at 05:15

Wednesday, Aug 25, 2004 at 05:15
I'll have to agree,

I got a quote for a standard 100 series diesel from Toyota at $42,000 (aircon).

I'm can't say who though, maybe try to use it for work a bit.

Cheaper if you buy two or more.

You probably get it cheaper again.

At the same time, the fancier, the more stuff that breaks.

Carpet: I don't sleep on it, but I'll tramp dirt and mud on it.(mmm vinyl)
Electrics: Make sure they're open/unlocked before you attempt a significant river crossing. Your stuffed under water in the event you do make an innocent mistake.

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Reply By: Crackles - Sunday, Aug 22, 2004 at 17:52

Sunday, Aug 22, 2004 at 17:52
On the 1HZ diesel I found it used 1 to 2 MPG more fuel and top speed was 3 KPH slower with the hubs in. They are also alot more fun in the wet as you can get the back to hang out in rear wheel drive.
A full time 4x4 will lose traction more often than a rear wheel drive (particularily on hills) requiring it to be put in 4 wheel drive earlier. Diff wear would also be greater but as I don't keep a car that long so that doesn't matter. Tyre wear is also more even. When you blow your front diff up it's alot more trouble to get it going as you can't just remove the tailshaft and open the hubs. Cheers Craig............
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Reply By: Tim - Sunday, Aug 22, 2004 at 23:10

Sunday, Aug 22, 2004 at 23:10
I have had both, recently got a 90series prado and the differance is unreal. Gravel muddy roads can be driven a lot faster with no concerns about spinning out. Find it much safer on the road as well, in places where I had to be careful in the wet in a part time, I can drive with ease in the same conditions in my fulltime.
Its difficult to do dohnuts but.....

Tim
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