Diesel

Submitted: Friday, Aug 27, 2004 at 09:02
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I see Biodiesel getting a run soon - Diesel $1.12 here today.

it would be just pouring that first lot into the fuel tank that would be hard!
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Reply By: Outnabout David (SA) - Friday, Aug 27, 2004 at 09:13

Friday, Aug 27, 2004 at 09:13
Truckster,

Just remember to have a good supply of filters on hand because I am told bio diesel is a great way to clean all the shait out the system but once it is clean everything is OK.
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Follow Up By: Truckster (Vic) - Friday, Aug 27, 2004 at 09:16

Friday, Aug 27, 2004 at 09:16
thanks for the heads up, still thinkin about it really, I have issues with pouring fish and chips into my tank.. even if its filtered, and if you were standing behind it, you would always get hungry from the smell...

Theres lots of info on it on the net, one bloke on OL his business partner was running WVO(Waste veggie oil) Straight into the tank!

You start car on diesel and warm up, then switch to other tank with WVO in it and drive round aussie!
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Follow Up By: Rick Blaine - Sunday, Aug 29, 2004 at 20:31

Sunday, Aug 29, 2004 at 20:31
Not sure about the smell truckster... could be confusing for blind lesbians though!
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Reply By: Waynepd (NSW) - Friday, Aug 27, 2004 at 10:30

Friday, Aug 27, 2004 at 10:30
More power to them, I hope it runs ok I could use a redundancy payout about now.

Just means i get on/off the road 7 years earlier than planned.......

Also means we can tell the Arabs to stick their oil where it will do the most good for them.
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Follow Up By: Member - NewMan (VIC) - Friday, Aug 27, 2004 at 12:03

Friday, Aug 27, 2004 at 12:03
We don't use Arab oil for our petrol.

Aust is nearly self sufficient from it's own Oil deposits. It just the Government taxing us so our prices are inline with the OPEC rate for a barrel of crude (prices parody). So when the Arabs put the price of crude up the only ones that make any money out of it, here in Aust, is the Oil Company and the Government.

Just love the Government
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Follow Up By: Truckster (Vic) - Friday, Aug 27, 2004 at 13:04

Friday, Aug 27, 2004 at 13:04
Newman,
Wayne makes diesel in the diesel plant at Caltex Kurnell Refinery.

You would think we could be self sufficent, but we arent.
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Follow Up By: Mike-TS - Sunday, Aug 29, 2004 at 15:13

Sunday, Aug 29, 2004 at 15:13
Mate you are way off the mark. Australia is nowhere near self sufficient.

We import a lot of products. I believe Darwin for example imports 100% of its diesel from Singapore.

Bottom line is we need to develop more self sufficiency by encouraging oil exploration in Australia and biodiesel.

Either that or stop driving or be prepared to pay A$5/litre.
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Follow Up By: Member - NewMan (VIC) - Sunday, Aug 29, 2004 at 18:28

Sunday, Aug 29, 2004 at 18:28
@Mike-TS

You act as if I care what you belive.

If I am right or wrong is not the main point I was trying to make and that is we are over taxed. To the point that we pay a tax on a tax.eg GST on the tax we pay on Fuel.

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Follow Up By: Mike-TS - Sunday, Aug 29, 2004 at 19:59

Sunday, Aug 29, 2004 at 19:59
I don't give ableepwhat you care about and I find your reply quite offensive.

Your points are simply incorrect:

1. Australia is nowhere near oil independent.
2. Oil is priced on the open market so when it goes to US$45 that's what the refineries have to pay to get their raw supply.
3. Oil prices are driven by supply and demand. Less supply or more demand = higher price.
4. The government adds a tax on the cost of the refined the products so they have nothing to do with the oil price.
5. Australia taxation isn't too bad on a world scale. UK has GST (actually named VAT) of 17.5%.
6. If it's only the Government making money how come BP, CALTEX and Shell make monster profits every year? Hello...
7. Darwin does import 100% of it's fuel. "I believe" was polite grammer. Something you have obviously got to learn...

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Follow Up By: Member - NewMan (VIC) - Monday, Aug 30, 2004 at 10:45

Monday, Aug 30, 2004 at 10:45
@Mike-TS

I had a look at my post again and must apologise for the tone/wording of it.

Bad day, sorry to take it out on you.

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Reply By: Waynepd (NSW) - Friday, Aug 27, 2004 at 12:21

Friday, Aug 27, 2004 at 12:21
Petrol is a blend of several cuts from the crude distillation process.

Our stuff is good for diesel, petrol and so on but it is a light crude we have here meaning that there are no heavy ends in it. Arab is good for these products too and with the heavy ends included.

We certainly do still use Arab Oils for producing Bitumen, Lubes and waxes, our stuff is not heavy enough. so therefore the stuff we don't use from the arab for these products goes toward the production of petrol, jet fuel, diesel, plastics and the list goes on .

My point is that we still import Arab at the moment so if synthetic lubes and biodiesel can be developed to their full potoential then we can work towards cutting ourselves loose from their blackmail and i get redundancy earlier.

The companies don't make all that much profit from refining, you ask oil company people where most of their profit comes from and they will tell you Drinks, Mars Bars and Ice Cream. Courtesy of travelling people like you and me.

The government on the other hand are cleaning up, as usual.
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Follow Up By: Member - Gary W (VIC) - Friday, Aug 27, 2004 at 13:43

Friday, Aug 27, 2004 at 13:43
The issue of fuel price increases is not about taxes nor the cost of importing from the 'arabs'. Our fuel goes up and down with world prices because even if we pull it out of our own back yard Mr Caltex or BHP etc isn't going to sell it to us cheaper than he can get on the world market.

There is certainly a case that world prices are controlled by a small few - the middle east (OPEC) etc.. - The current round of world price increases is due to political uncertainty in Saudi Arabia who usually keep a lid on prices so that other countries, where oil is more expensive to extract, are not encouraged to start producing.

But be assured even if we were self sufficient it wouldn't make an ounce of difference.

The Biofuel sounds promising but I don't want to be first. LOL
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Reply By: srowlandson - Friday, Aug 27, 2004 at 13:11

Friday, Aug 27, 2004 at 13:11
I didn't spend $55,000 on a vehicle to save a couple of thousend dollars a year on fuel. I will keep using Diesel.

If your that concerned bruce, sell the GQ and get a Toyota Prius.

Steve
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Follow Up By: Truckster (Vic) - Friday, Aug 27, 2004 at 13:34

Friday, Aug 27, 2004 at 13:34
Some of us dont have too much money they dont know what to do with, and if possible to save money, even you would be in that - wouldnt you?
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Follow Up By: Member - Jeff M (WA) - Friday, Aug 27, 2004 at 14:16

Friday, Aug 27, 2004 at 14:16
A toyota prius would cost more than my 1995 Surf ol matey, it wouldn't take my family 4wding and camping and would fit all my family's gear it. And I don't care what anyone says it would not be as safe in a crash, and don't preech to me I was in a crash yesterday in a GU patrol.
Truckster's right, we are not all made of money thank you very much and some of us chose a lifestyle that does not include a shopping trolly for a family car. Doesn't meen we can't afford the diesel, just means if there is a cheaper more environmentally friendly alternative why the hell wouldn't we be interested!
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Reply By: bruce - Friday, Aug 27, 2004 at 14:45

Friday, Aug 27, 2004 at 14:45
My neighbor down the back runs his 80 something l/c on straight filtered fish & chip oil ..had a write up in the local rag about it...has a tank in back and a switch under the bonnet , does about 10k on diesel then swaps over...been to W.A a couple of times with it , reckons he has done about 60000 ks so far and no apparent ill affects...has quite a bit stored in his shed ...hope there is no fire...what a mess there would be
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Follow Up By: Waynepd (NSW) - Friday, Aug 27, 2004 at 15:22

Friday, Aug 27, 2004 at 15:22
not to mention the smell LOL
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Reply By: Bob H - Friday, Aug 27, 2004 at 15:19

Friday, Aug 27, 2004 at 15:19
Check out www.biodiesel.com They reckon that something (cant remember what---old age) has to be taken out of the vegie oil first, this brings the moleclues to similar to diesel. a bit more stirring and then you can use it straight or mixed with diesel.

Bob
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Follow Up By: Utemad - Friday, Aug 27, 2004 at 17:26

Friday, Aug 27, 2004 at 17:26
The chips perhaps?
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Reply By: Coops (Pilbara) - Friday, Aug 27, 2004 at 16:17

Friday, Aug 27, 2004 at 16:17
a good mate of mine has a few vehicles (all kinds) in his fleet running on Biodiesel and says to date (almost 2 years) there has been no problems whatsoever.
Kinda makes you think about it but I don't reckon I could do it !
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Reply By: Coops (Pilbara) - Friday, Aug 27, 2004 at 16:20

Friday, Aug 27, 2004 at 16:20
by the way Diesel is $1.34 at some places in the Pilbara right now but most folks would have finished or be tailing off on their NW travels now.
I think it's about $1.15 here in Hedland
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Reply By: Willem - Friday, Aug 27, 2004 at 18:46

Friday, Aug 27, 2004 at 18:46
Yeah and I have just switched to a diesel truck. Diese lis $1.10 here in Peterborough, $1.15 in Hawker and I have been told $1.30 in Oodnadatta. It hurts spending so much money on fuel but in the wash up will we use less? It wasn't so long ago that I wondered if we would ever get used to paying 80cents a litre and look at it now.
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Reply By: Dave ....Adelaide - Friday, Aug 27, 2004 at 21:41

Friday, Aug 27, 2004 at 21:41
Hi Truckster
I have just recently moved back to Port Lincoln from Adelaide. On my way through i stopped in whyalla and bought myself a 2000 GU turbo diesel patrol for $30,000.00 having spent all my hard earned do ....lol....i was looking at cheaper alternatives to run my vehicle, well a mate of mine put me onto a fella here who has been making his own bio diesel for the last couple of years , at 65 cents a litre i thought id give it a go , spoke to a few other people here who have been using it for a while and they all claim to have had no probs whatsoever , a couple even swore that their 4bys ran a lot smoother. Well so far have done 400ks with no probs , no clogged filters, and yes i agree , my GU seems to run a lot smoother. If you want truckster i'll give you my mobile no or else chat to you on ICQ and keep you up to date on how its performing.......Cheers ......DAVE
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Reply By: myfourby - Friday, Aug 27, 2004 at 21:47

Friday, Aug 27, 2004 at 21:47
Hey Truckster!
Long time no talk! Hows life treating you?

Just saw your thread and thought I'd let you know how much diesel is half way up the Tanami in NT (near where I'm working on a cattle station - bit different from computers I know!) Rabbit Flat Road House - the most remote Road House in OZ (and rumour to be the most expensive diesel in OZ) has it for $1.70p/l!

Anyway - it'd be great to catch up sometime email me at ubolted@hotmail.com.

-myfourby
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Reply By: Member Eric - Friday, Aug 27, 2004 at 23:10

Friday, Aug 27, 2004 at 23:10
Go the Gas 36 cents , 4 cent discount , cost = 32 cents , 90 L = $28,80
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Reply By: Muzza - Saturday, Aug 28, 2004 at 18:00

Saturday, Aug 28, 2004 at 18:00
10-15% LPG mix on a diesel vehicle. Anyone done it? Sposed to burn more efficiently and reduce running costs
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Reply By: Glenos - Saturday, Aug 28, 2004 at 23:59

Saturday, Aug 28, 2004 at 23:59
As I just sai in the post about Tax evasion Tax evasion Just make sure you register and pay your excise! ; )

Next they will be taxing home brew and probably sex.

BioDiesel is transesterified oils, usually waste veg oil cos it can be got for free. (Grammar) There is a plethora of recipres on the net and an Aussie Bio association It's not hard to make but is hard to pour into the tank the first time or two, I'm not game. A Jackaroo engine is too $$ to rebuild.

you could get your fuel tested to check for quality but it would cost as much as buying the ready made dino-diesel.

Just a few cents worth.
Glenos
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Reply By: Big Trev - Sunday, Aug 29, 2004 at 06:32

Sunday, Aug 29, 2004 at 06:32
Unfortunately there aren't too many placeS you can get Bio-diesel, there used to be one just north of us, but the BIG fuel companies don't like competition so they shut them down by buying them out, etc.

"HE, WHO CONTROLS THE OIL, CONTROLS THE WORLD"
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