caravan battery wiring
Submitted: Wednesday, Sep 08, 2004 at 15:39
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Bob H
Hi all,
not sure of how to do this, but i think that if i take the aux wire from the connection plug that runs the 12volt system in the caravan to the positive terminal of battery, from + battery to the rest of the system and the negative side of the battery to earth on the chassis that this should trickle charge the battery as
well as run the lights etc at rest.
if this theory is not right than some input would be much appreciated.
Thanks all
Bob
Reply By: Member - Captain (WA) - Wednesday, Sep 08, 2004 at 16:12
Wednesday, Sep 08, 2004 at 16:12
Hi Bob,
While it sounds good in theory, there are many pitfalls to the "simple" system as described.
First of all, the aux connector on a standard 7 pin plug would only be good for ~10 amps. When you start your vehicle, the van battery is now in the circuit and you will fry your low amperage wiring.
Secondly, the voltage drop with small wiring will result in only ~12 volts at the van battery. A wet cell battery needs at least 13 V to get a half decent charge into it (alternator puts out 13.8V to car battery) and would never be fully charged.
I could go on with more issues in greater detail, but basically I could not recommend it as described. However, by simply using heavy wire (+ve and -ve, not chassis) and heavy duty connectors (ie. Anderson plugs), fuse it both ends and put a relay in to disconnect while starting, then you have the makings of a system to charge the van battery.
Cheers
Captain
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Follow Up By: Bob H - Wednesday, Sep 08, 2004 at 18:26
Wednesday, Sep 08, 2004 at 18:26
Hi Captain,
as i understand you, i run 8 - 10mm wire (or heavier??) to the rear of 4by, connect to anderson plug, anderson plug and seme mm wire to caravan battery. then i could run accessories from the battery without haveing to have the 4by attached. or could i also hook the veh and c/van wires together to give more durability??
also where do i run the 2 wires +ve and -ve from on the 4by?
from the alternator and veh chassis or from the veh batteries??
than
Bob
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Reply By: drivesafe - Wednesday, Sep 08, 2004 at 18:18
Wednesday, Sep 08, 2004 at 18:18
Hi Bob and I’m sorry to contradict you again Captain but that is really bad advice about using the chassis as the earth return. Doing so is just begging for trouble and yes Captain I know you have done it that way and got away with it but it is not the recommended way to connect two batteries together, especially on a caravan.
Most caravans have a sub frame and the caravan body is bolted to the sub frame. This form of construction lends itself to poor electrical conduction all over the place. For low current uses like your blinkers and stop lights etc., you will probably get away with earthing them to the chassis but for high current situations, like charging a battery in the caravan from the vehicles alternator, if you want a proper charge then run twin 8 B & S cable from the front battery to the rear battery.
Using heavy cable, you will not only charge the rear battery at a higher voltage but it will charge quicker and as you have to run one cable from battery to battery, you might as
well run twin cable as it will take you no longer and only cost you a few dollars more to guaranty you will not have any problems.
The one thing I do agree with Captain on is the use of Anderson Plugs on the battery wire between the vehicle and the caravan. A set of 50 amp Anderson Plugs will work a treat and note, Anderson Plugs are usually sold as single plugs and you need two.
One more point, you are far better off installing circuit breakers on the battery wire at each battery positive terminal. They will tolerate current surges but if the high current persists then they simply trip. If you use fuses, you will either be replacing them all the time or you will have to use large fuses and still might have problems.
It will probably pay you to install some sort of low voltage cut-out at the front battery so that you don’t end up being at a
camp site for a few days and when you go to start your vehicle you find you have two low batteries. Hope this is of some help.
Regards
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Follow Up By: Bob H - Wednesday, Sep 08, 2004 at 18:33
Wednesday, Sep 08, 2004 at 18:33
thanks drivesafe,
i think you answered my questions that i further asked captain. as captain said, simple aint always the best. thank god you are all so knowledgable and that this site is so good as im still learning and hopefully willbe when i can no longer enjoy the countryside.
Bob
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Follow Up By: Member - Captain (WA) - Wednesday, Sep 08, 2004 at 19:04
Wednesday, Sep 08, 2004 at 19:04
Hi Drivesafe,
Maybe you need glasses ;-0~
I said +ve wire AND -ve wire NOT chassis' as described in original post.
I agree that chassis earthing is not ideal and should be avoided, hence my recommendation (hey, do as I say, not as I do ... hahaha). While I currently have a chassis earth, it will be replaced at some stage. In the mean time, I make sure its in good nick.
Cheers
Captain
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Follow Up By: drivesafe - Wednesday, Sep 08, 2004 at 19:44
Wednesday, Sep 08, 2004 at 19:44
Hi Captain, please accept my apologies as I did not read your posting properly. As usual, trying to read though every thing as quickly as possible.
Regards and apologies again.
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Follow Up By: Member - Captain (WA) - Wednesday, Sep 08, 2004 at 20:20
Wednesday, Sep 08, 2004 at 20:20
No need for apologies drivesafe, been there, done that myself ;-)
As for fusing, totally agree about circuit breakers. I run them at both ends of the cable. Only thing i've done different is using a relay and switch so only charge the van when I want to.
Bob - I would not want to connect to starting battery on vehicle without a low voltage cutout or relay to turn off when engine not running. To much chance of running vehicle battery flat. I have dual batts on vehicle so for me its not an issue, but would not want to on a single vehicle battery.
Cheers
Captain
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Follow Up By: drivesafe - Wednesday, Sep 08, 2004 at 21:17
Wednesday, Sep 08, 2004 at 21:17
Hi captain, there was every reason to apologise as I had said in my posting that I was contradicting your posting ( confusing isn’t it ) and if I had not been so bloody lazy I would have seen that I should have kept my mouth shut instead but thanks.
And hi again Bob H, I was going to suggest that you use a fuse block if there was not one fitted but you already have that under control.
Regards.
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Reply By: drivesafe - Wednesday, Sep 08, 2004 at 18:48
Wednesday, Sep 08, 2004 at 18:48
Hi again Bob H, are you wiring the whole van or just adding the battery. The reason I ask this is that you have not said whether you have fuses in the caravan already.
Regards
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Follow Up By: Bob H - Wednesday, Sep 08, 2004 at 20:28
Wednesday, Sep 08, 2004 at 20:28
Hi Drivesafe
sorry about that, just adding a battery into the existing system.
fuses...12vside....dont know but will check and if not will put a fuse block in.
thanks
Bob
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Reply By: Member - Roger L (NSW) - Wednesday, Sep 08, 2004 at 20:16
Wednesday, Sep 08, 2004 at 20:16
Bob,
Try the 12volt
shop for information. They have a twin charge system for charging caravan & campervan battery systems. I have used this system in 2 vans and have had no trouble at all as the van batt gets a proper charge to the oulse stage. Connected to the vehicle via an anderson plug as mentioned with all wires of 6ml.
Sugest you contact the 12v
shop. The ph no and E mail nos etc are advertised in 4b mags & van mags.
Regards Dodg
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Follow Up By: Bob H - Wednesday, Sep 08, 2004 at 20:30
Wednesday, Sep 08, 2004 at 20:30
Hi Roger
thanks very much for this info. will certainly check into it.
Bob
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