UHF Radio

Submitted: Wednesday, Sep 15, 2004 at 21:16
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Hi,

I would like to purchase a UHF radio for my 4wd. However I have no experiance in this area and would like some advise pls.

The reason for it is that I go bush quite alot (deep outback alone) and require one for communication purposes if something was to go wrong and I would need help. Also would need it to communicate whilst in convoy.

Any help is greatly appreciated.

Arnold
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Reply By: Truckster (Vic) - Wednesday, Sep 15, 2004 at 21:25

Wednesday, Sep 15, 2004 at 21:25
Try searching the archives, there was a discussion on this recently.
UHF is the go, GME is the best value 3200 is good value.

http://www.prestigecom.net.au/
FREE shipping is about the cheapest around.

" What type of radio should I take on my outback trip ? "

To be properly advised detailed Information about the intended trip is needed, however some basic facts remain constant.

27 Mhz "AM" AM CB is designed to give short-range communications, car to car, with distances of 5 to 10 Kilometres and only then if the quality of aerial and mountings are good.
The value of a simple CB Radio in convoy situations is without question, but once you get off the main road you can forget it as a safety tool.

27 Mhz "Single Sideband (SSB)" SSB CB radio's offer's better range than their "AM" cousins of up to 30 Kilometres, but ONLY to another SSB radio.
However this is clearly not enough when you are in remote area's.
HELP is usally hundreds of kilometres away.
SSB CB radios do allow convoys to spread out on dusty tracks and still maintain contacts because of their superior range.
You may have heard stations calling from far North Queensland or even the occasional station calling from overseas on 27 Mhz SSB. "SKIP" or "Propagation" as this is an atmospheric phenomenon and erratic this should NOT be relied upon for emergency contact from remote area's.
Many of these stations heard will be running much more powerful equipment and bigger antennas than you, So just because you can hear them it does not mean that they will hear you in an Emergency situation.

477 Mhz "UHF" UHF CB radio is rapidly taking over from the older types of CB Radio's 27Mhz type.
With its superior clarity and range, UHF has become a choice of Rural Australia.
Most outback stations, 4x4 Clubs, Caravan Clubs, & 75% of Interstate Truck Drivers use UHF.
Unfortunately with a line of sight range of 5 to 20 Kilometres "UHF" is still unsuited for Emergencys in remote locations.
Farming areas however usually have Repeaters stations within range which Help by boosting UHF Signals to 100 Kilometres or more, but once again these repeaters are not available in remote locations.

Cellular Telephone Mobile Phone "GSM or CDMA" coverage is generally only available along the East Coast and perhaps around outback cities.
There is no coverage at all away from major population areas.
ONLY 9% of Australia's Land Mass is covered by the Standard Mobile Cellular Telephone Network.
Satellite phones are available for mobile and NEW hand helds and start at about $1895.00 and go up to about $6000.00 Dollars.
Coverage of all of Australia, including remote outback locations is execellent, and off shore coverage is possible out to 200 kilometre's out to sea.
The big advantage of a Sat Phone is it's ease of use being similar to that of a cellular phone, but you must be outside not inside a Building as the Antenna must see the SKY.

HF "High Frequency" ( RFDS ) Codan or Barrett radio's are the only type that offer full legal output power of 100 Watts not like CB radios 4 Watts for AM, 12Watts for SSB, 5 Watts for UHF.
Life threatening situations are another story and a Snake bite or Heart Attack require assistance within a couple of hours at most and usually advice from the RFDS (Royal Flying Doctors Service) medical staff over the radio is vital until they can get to you for treatment or evacuation to a hospital.
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Follow Up By: Member - JohnR (Vic) - Wednesday, Sep 15, 2004 at 21:38

Wednesday, Sep 15, 2004 at 21:38
Geez Truckster with answers like that there won't be a need for the archives or the rest of us to answer posts. Well done, very comprehensive ;-)

The need for phone = CDMA, radio = UHF, and satphone or HF if travelling alone is the sensible way to go. CDMA phones are clearer than GSM but are in normal form not usable overseas though. Very stable in any of the useage area. I like em.....
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Reply By: Arnold - Wednesday, Sep 15, 2004 at 21:37

Wednesday, Sep 15, 2004 at 21:37
Thanks Truckster, the help is appreciated.

Arnold
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Reply By: Banjo (SA) - Wednesday, Sep 15, 2004 at 21:38

Wednesday, Sep 15, 2004 at 21:38
Truckster has it covered I reckon- further food for thought may be found at www.vks737.on.net - some downloads on the PDF's page on this topic and maybe the satphones page - as Truckster says, UHF alone for "deep outback solo work" is a worry - a reliable signal for sure, but too little distance to be the main comms tool !
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Reply By: Arnold - Wednesday, Sep 15, 2004 at 22:19

Wednesday, Sep 15, 2004 at 22:19
Thanks Guys
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Follow Up By: signman - Thursday, Sep 16, 2004 at 09:09

Thursday, Sep 16, 2004 at 09:09
I've got a GME TX3200 UHF for sale if your interested!!!
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Reply By: Arnold - Wednesday, Sep 15, 2004 at 22:37

Wednesday, Sep 15, 2004 at 22:37
Any brands and models recommended for the UHF and HF radios?

Thks
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Follow Up By: Peter O - Wednesday, Sep 15, 2004 at 23:31

Wednesday, Sep 15, 2004 at 23:31
For the UHF Radios look at GME or Uniden, for HF as Truckster said Codan or Barrett are the only ones to check out. The HF radios are expensive to buy(about $2000-$3000 I think) unless you are looking to use them on a regular basis but they can be hired from most good radio stores.

Peter
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Reply By: Member - Brian (Gold Coast) - Thursday, Sep 16, 2004 at 07:28

Thursday, Sep 16, 2004 at 07:28
Truckster!! You The MAN!!
That's the absolute BEST answer to a question I have ever read..... EVER..

And again.. his comments on the GME 3200... spot on.. and Prestige Communications... spot on!!! (Just my opinion here folks... bought my 3200 from 'em... coudn't fault either!!)

Bruce, I reckon it's time to call yourself

The Guru!!!

:-)
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Follow Up By: Member - Brian (Gold Coast) - Thursday, Sep 16, 2004 at 07:31

Thursday, Sep 16, 2004 at 07:31
errr.. just to clarify... I wouldn't rely on my 3200 for outback emergency etc.... my plan for going outback is to hire a HF or a sat phone.
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Follow Up By: Truckster (Vic) - Thursday, Sep 16, 2004 at 08:51

Thursday, Sep 16, 2004 at 08:51
Yep,
Brian has a great point. UHF maybe good for car to car in outback, it is the goods for local/highcountry type trips
BUT

HF/SATOPHONE AND EPIRB ARE A MUST in my opinion for outback/Remote/solo travel.

Yea 40yr ago they didnt exist. but my family is easily worth $3000 for a HF. Lots of coin, but you will thank everything there is if something goes pearshaped.

YFWTY
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Reply By: Wizard1 - Thursday, Sep 16, 2004 at 11:27

Thursday, Sep 16, 2004 at 11:27
If your going "deep bush" I'd carry an EPIRB as a backup. UHF can be a little unrealiable when your not within good range of a Repeater (usually 15 - 20 km in good terrain and your vehicle facing the right direction).

Sat Phones can be hired. HF is quite expensive but very good.

Wizard
Darwin NT
Prado TD
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Reply By: Jimmy - Thursday, Sep 16, 2004 at 17:51

Thursday, Sep 16, 2004 at 17:51
Hey Arnold I just went through the process you are going thru now

I ended up with a Icom 400pro from Prestige communications.
At $295.00 the GME 3200 is good value but you will still have to spring for an antenna @ about $75 for a cheap 6db number.

At $399.00 for the Icom you get more features + a 3db antenna is included in the price. A 3db antenna won't be much good for getting help if you a long way in the outback (no UHF will ) but will be great in convoy

Both are at Prestige
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Reply By: Jabiru-WA - Thursday, Sep 16, 2004 at 22:01

Thursday, Sep 16, 2004 at 22:01
hi Arnold

When / if you hire or buy an HF radio, ask the vendor to set it up for vks737 frequencies and visit the guys on the web at http://www.vks737.on.net/ and join up. They have regular scheds every day and monitoring to improve your outback safety, pass on messages etc

You can also hire satellite phones if your outback trips are not really frequent. My experience (i travel in the Western Desert frequently) is that satellite phones dont give 100% service - sometimes they just dont light up, but generally excellent.

Take an EPIRB too. Great for when all else fails and you're in a life-death situation.

UHF radio - i bought one of those with a little remote head, with the main box buried under the back seat. Very neat.

cheers
Bob
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