Snorkels on Petrols ?? Why - how deep can they go ?

Submitted: Thursday, Sep 16, 2004 at 21:12
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I've got a diesel with a snorkel but I've seen petrols with them aswell. Surely a petrol will not go very deep - or is this incorrect, if so how deep can they go. I like the touque of the diesel but the power of the petrol sounds good. Water on the dizzy and spark plugs will stop them surely - or has the water proofing been vastly improved ?
Also there seems to be plenty of Prado's V6 out there for sale at cheap prices compared to diesels - are there any particular issues with the V6's. I again would like a diesel but they are big bucks.
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Reply By: Member Eric - Thursday, Sep 16, 2004 at 21:35

Thursday, Sep 16, 2004 at 21:35
I have had my cruiser in deep . Up to the top of the bonnet . You should aways use a tarp across the gril to make a good bow wave , this stops water entering the engine bay
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Reply By: Member - Jack - Thursday, Sep 16, 2004 at 21:53

Thursday, Sep 16, 2004 at 21:53
Eric got it in one !!!!

Fit a tarp around the front, get the bow wave going and it should keep the water out of the engine bay. Don't stop, for any reason : )

I have had mates in petrol engined beasties travel everywhere I have been able to go in my 80 Series diesel, all with snorkels.

Another point is to stop and let things cool down a bit before taking to the water. We've had more trouble with water in diffs etc than wet ignition. Seems the rapidly cooling diffs/axles can suck in water past the seals.

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Follow Up By: Jeff (Beddo) - Thursday, Sep 16, 2004 at 22:06

Thursday, Sep 16, 2004 at 22:06
Yep I guess you are right - the deepest water I have seen is up at Cape York and a petrol would of breezed through - I would be looking hard to find deeper water than just lapping the bonnet !!! Might go for a petrol then on my next beast, especially seeing that diesel is more expensive than petrol - don't know why though.
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Follow Up By: Member - Jack - Thursday, Sep 16, 2004 at 22:35

Thursday, Sep 16, 2004 at 22:35
Hi Jeff:
Don't know about you, but if it looks too deep I am happy to find a more shallow crossing. The number of deep water crossings I could have done, compared to how many I have done shows a very marked difference. Given that water is a diesels number one enemy, I am happy to find a safer route, even though I have snorkel and carry a blind. Heroics and blown motors don't quite fit with my bank account. : )
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Follow Up By: Mad Dog (Victoria) - Thursday, Sep 16, 2004 at 23:44

Thursday, Sep 16, 2004 at 23:44
What's that old saying Jack "A fool and his money are soon parted"
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Follow Up By: Member - Ivan (ACT) - Friday, Sep 17, 2004 at 07:05

Friday, Sep 17, 2004 at 07:05
Extended Diff breathers!!!

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Reply By: Member - Jimbo (VIC) - Thursday, Sep 16, 2004 at 22:17

Thursday, Sep 16, 2004 at 22:17
Modern diesels have electonics as well. Water will affect them too.
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Reply By: GaryInOz (Vic) - Thursday, Sep 16, 2004 at 22:21

Thursday, Sep 16, 2004 at 22:21
One other reason...dust. The higher you take the air, the less likely there is of a large dust ingestion, meaning the air filter will keep working for longer.
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Reply By: Rod W - Friday, Sep 17, 2004 at 09:26

Friday, Sep 17, 2004 at 09:26
Jeff,

Back in my younger days, early 70's, in Darwin, I had a stock standard FJ45 with the 155 petrol donk, 3 speed box. Us'ta dunk it in creeks and pools with the water up over the bonnet, the fan spraying the water every where, no tarps no snorkels, never stopped.

Now I have petrol 4.5lt with snorkel. Did a creek crossing (Summertime Crossing on the Murray WA), water was to the top of the tyres, had a tarp on front, went through no prob's, came back the other way 3 times and it snuffed each time.
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Reply By: isaac - Friday, Sep 17, 2004 at 11:14

Friday, Sep 17, 2004 at 11:14
It's already been mentioned but modern diesels are efi aswell so they are no longer "water proof". I have a 00 model 3l diesel Hilux,it's the last model Hilux with total mechanical injection and have a snorkel but still use a tarp when deep crossings. My brother inlaw has a 99 hilux with the 2.7l efi petrol, the spark plugs will never get water in them as they have a good plug sealing setup now, takes a bit of effort to get one off. Not sure about the dizzy though, you can always silastic up though... Cheers Isaac.
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Follow Up By: Mad Dog (Victoria) - Sunday, Sep 19, 2004 at 17:13

Sunday, Sep 19, 2004 at 17:13
The dizzy can be pressurised using a small compressor (air horns) tap a fitting into the dizzy and use a regulator as we don't wont to blow it up. If you're keen you can do the diffs, gearbox, transfer case as well. Hit the switch before hitting the water.
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Reply By: Moose - Friday, Sep 17, 2004 at 13:29

Friday, Sep 17, 2004 at 13:29
G'day Jeff
They'll probably go a lot deeper than most people would be willing to take them. I've had water up over the bonnet and up the windscreen on my petrol 80 and I don't have a snorkel. But I always take the appropriate precautions ie tarp, good spray of the electrics etc. A snorkel is just extra insurance.
Another factor to consider in the purchase decision is that the running costs for petrol vehicles is lower and they cost less to buy. You need to do a lot of kms to come out on top with a diesel.
Check past posts because a while back there was a discussion on the new Prados having a problem when an aftermarket bullbar was fitted - something about water ingestion. Other than that I know of no other issues. Everyone who I know who owns one is happy with it (mind you I only know a handful of petrol Prado owners).
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Reply By: Member - Jeff M (WA) - Friday, Sep 17, 2004 at 13:33

Friday, Sep 17, 2004 at 13:33
Yeah EFI diesels and EFI petrols aren't quite the same, just because you have a computer under the glovebox inside the cab does not mean it's going to get wet (one would hope not anyway!!) A dizzy sucking water in on the other hand is not going to fair so well.
Most modern day petrols have pretty good seals and designs, dizzy's on top of the motor etc etc.
The trick is to make sure everythings kept in good order, I went through muddy water that was over the windscreen wipers with no tarp, just a snorkel. My cheap spottlights got a few drops of water in the plastic covers, but upon inspecting things like battery isolaters etc they were perfectly clean and dry inside. Just keep your engine bay as clean as you can (yeah I know it's hard!) and make sure that all your calbes, fuse boxes, seals etc are in good order. That's the best advice I could give.
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Reply By: Member - Nick (TAS) - Sunday, Sep 19, 2004 at 16:12

Sunday, Sep 19, 2004 at 16:12
Gday Jeff,one point to remember is that if you are going to be doing any remote travel, unleaded is not easily avaliable,diesel is.
Cheers Nick
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