3rd Battery in Dual Battery Setup

Submitted: Tuesday, Sep 21, 2004 at 19:58
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Hiya,

Have a Pirhana Dual Battery setup feeding a small 40amp hour deep cycle battery in the engine bay on the Hilux. This combined with a 80W solar cell on the roof (via solar regulator straight into 2nd battery) provides ample capacity to run the Engel as we never seem to stay in the one place for more than a night or two.

Decided to change that and will be staying in the one place for 8 days. So I need to invest in an additional battery to join into the system, as I wont be driving long enough each day to replace the charge in the 2nd battery. What I wanted to do was modify the wiring so I could connect / disconnect the 2nd deep cycle battery depending on how much capacity I required.

So the question is, if I buy a large deep cycle battery, can I hook it up along with the original 40A/hr deep cycle battery, or do they both need to be the same capacity? It would be nice to always have the 40a/hr in the engine bay ready to go, and just drop in the 100a/hr when I need 140a/hr of capacity.

Any thoughts / comments apreciated.

Cheers,

Glenn
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Reply By: Eric Experience. - Tuesday, Sep 21, 2004 at 21:50

Tuesday, Sep 21, 2004 at 21:50
Glen
Connecting the two deep cycle batteries in parallel is the best way, the efficiency of the battery is improved by slower charge and discharge, by connecting in parellel you have achieved that improvment. The difference in capacity is of no importance because the charge rate is determined by the voltage and that is regulated so the current into each battery is as reqiured by the battery. Be carefull to disconnect both ends of the positive wire when removing the second battery. Eric.
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Follow Up By: Mainey... - Thursday, Sep 23, 2004 at 12:45

Thursday, Sep 23, 2004 at 12:45
Ditto...
The difference in capacity is of no importance, because the CURRENT into each battery is "as reqiured" by each battery-(nicely said Eric)

However,
I await Solar Panel's own reply, with his answers to Glen's question!
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Reply By: V8troopie - Wednesday, Sep 22, 2004 at 01:33

Wednesday, Sep 22, 2004 at 01:33
Glenn, to run your fridge for 8 days from a 80W solar panel (via the battery) you better make sure the panel is in full sun every day or you might have to invest in a rather large deep cycle battery. It still would not save your coldies on several cloudy days in a row because once you deep drained the larger battery it takes even longer to top it back up from the panel.
I would take a backup, such as a 12V portable generator as well or be prepared to go for a drive.

Your unequal size aux batteries will not discharge equally, if connected in parallel.
If you use them individually, try to use only 15Ah from the smaller and maybe 40ah from the bigger, if you repeatedly drain them deeper you lessen their life somewhat and it'll take forever to get them charged back up from a solar panel.
Klaus
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Follow Up By: Mick - Wednesday, Sep 22, 2004 at 08:53

Wednesday, Sep 22, 2004 at 08:53
Good answer V8, most people dont understand that deep cycle batteries should not be flattened below at minimum 50%, as they resist the ability to recharge in the same amount of time.

Yo should really be using 2 batteries of equal size to run the fridge off, or use your small battery only for running the lights or other low power devices.
You will be pushing it very hard to keep up with the fridge with the 80w panel over 8 days without driving around for a few hours every day.
For a more efficient system, a normal cranking battery could be used, which will only require approx 2 hours of your vehicle running to charge it after the engel has been running over a 24 hour period.
But this should be done every day so it doesnt flatten too far.
Your deep cycle will need approx 6 hours every day running your engine, without the panel that is.
Have a think about an AGM battery as well.
Very efficient in recharging and can be used as deep cycle or cranking.
Or a 12volt battery charger!
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Reply By: Mainey... - Wednesday, Sep 22, 2004 at 14:26

Wednesday, Sep 22, 2004 at 14:26
Glen,
because you wish to keep the 40amp hour deep cycle battery in the engine bay, I assume for your short trips, I would set up a larger 120a/h DC battery, and connect your existing 80wt solar panel direct to it, not the existing DC battery, keep the smaller DC battery charged by the Pirahna Isolator system.

You could have two inderpendant power and also recharging systems that can be switched over in an instant via a two way or quick disconnect battery switch.

Connect the new large DC battery in parallel to the small DC battery with a on/off or quick disconect battery switch between them, and have the larger DC battery charged via the solar panel - you can switch the smaller DC battery in/out of the system via the on/off switch or quick disconnect switch.

Note; wire the fridge to the solar panel lead, at the pos +terminal of the large DC battery.

You effectivly have two power systems giving you 160a/h TOTAL.

When you are driving, to recharge all 3 batteries via your Pirahna isolator have all batteries connected.

Do the maths and you will see you will be able to get this system to work for you for the 8 days you require with out going for a drive till at least the 6th day.

80wt solar puts out ~24a (day) @ only 5 hours sunshine per day, will get 6 unless you go to tassie or melbourne
Engel uses 25a to 35a (day) unless you are in the far north

As you state the 40a/h presently runs the Engel for 2 days, an EXTRA 120a/h will get you out of the vehicle and into holiday mode.
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Reply By: Solar Panel - Wednesday, Sep 22, 2004 at 19:09

Wednesday, Sep 22, 2004 at 19:09
oh dear oh dear oh dear
Glenn suggest go and find someone to talk to that knows what they are talking about
those that have replied do not have a clue
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Follow Up By: Member - Scrubba (NSW) - Wednesday, Sep 22, 2004 at 20:56

Wednesday, Sep 22, 2004 at 20:56
So, Solar Panel, what would you suggest?
I've been watching this space for some weeks now for something simmilar.
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Follow Up By: Mainey... - Thursday, Sep 23, 2004 at 00:06

Thursday, Sep 23, 2004 at 00:06
Ditto, So Solar Panel, what would you suggest?

Solar Panel,
don't just condem posters without putting forward your own idears

better still post FACTS that will prove your own statement.

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Follow Up By: Andrew from TrekTable - Thursday, Sep 23, 2004 at 08:49

Thursday, Sep 23, 2004 at 08:49
I'm keen to hear Solar Panel's view.

The solutions presented from previous posters did vary in their elegance and accuracy and this highlights that there are many different views on this topic.

Batteries and charging of them is a remarkably technical topic and many people derive their knowledge from their own experiences. This forum provides a mechanism for people to share their experiences (without prejeduice) in an open environment to assist each other and perhaps even learn something themselves.

I suspect Solar Panel may have a deeper knowledge than the average person on this topic so I'm keen to hear his views.
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Reply By: Mainey... - Thursday, Sep 23, 2004 at 13:30

Thursday, Sep 23, 2004 at 13:30
Glenn has a Pirhana Dual Battery setup with a 40a/h DC battery in the engine bay, charged by 80W solar cell on the roof via solar reg.

Glenn's requirements:
It would be nice to always have the 40a/hr in the engine bay
He will be staying in the one place for 8 days
He won't be driving long enough daily to charge the DC battery
He will modify the wiring to connect/disconnect the 2nd DC battery

Glenn's QUESTION is...

IF Glenn ADD'S a larger deep cycle battery to his existing system

(1) CAN I hook it up along with the original 40A/h DC battery?
(2) Do they both need to be the same capacity?
(3) Can I just drop in the 100a/h when I need 140a/h capacity?

(1) yes
(2) no
(3) yes

there are VARIOUS methods of adding a second DC battery
some methods BETTER than others for DIFFERENT reasons
my method is kiss, inexpencive and works
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