Duel Battery setup
Submitted: Wednesday, Sep 22, 2004 at 00:02
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Member - Clive G (WA)
I have a duel battery setup, with a , I think an isolating switch, Im getting rid of it shortly but in the mean time, a need a few questions answered about it, so I come here to all the pros for my answers. at present as I see it, the switch is in the number 1 position for witch I was told is the starter battery,
Question 1,
how does the b%$*#(& thing to work, I can only figure out it knocks one battery out to prevent it from going flat while using lights etc over night,
Question 2,
Does Both batteries charge and maintain their charge no matter where the switch is, all do I have to switch it over to charge the other battery,
Its a weird setup, and I dont like it, but it will have to do until I can get it in to be done properly.
any help would be appreciated, I have to find out before this weekend, Cos im smelling a
Paynes Find weekend comming up, hehehe
Clive
Reply By: crayman - Wednesday, Sep 22, 2004 at 00:40
Wednesday, Sep 22, 2004 at 00:40
Clive
If the switch you have has a simple red plunger type twist handle, in the up position or with handle removed only your main batterey is charging and in circuit,locked down both are on charge and on current.demand
The easy way is to buy a connecting solinoid for $29 from super cheap(not a starter solinoid) this allows you to as you go to start and thence run position on your key ring(giving you 2 batteries on start command and 2 batteries on charge ,on run command when you remove key 2nd battery only stays on line to run fridge ect be sure to connect power to energise solinoid from 1st battery and wirered into run position on wirering loom at key station
Maurie
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Follow Up By: V8troopie - Wednesday, Sep 22, 2004 at 01:11
Wednesday, Sep 22, 2004 at 01:11
Maurie, I read your post 3 times and it still is not clear what you are saying :-)
It never ceases to amaze me how complicated such a simple task as having two batteries in a car can be made.
Here's what I have: the original battery runs the car's original electrics and the add on stuff like air compressor or
driving lights.
The second battery runs the fridge, a fluoro fitting in the back and the radio console.
that's it!
The second battery gets charged once the alternator starts charging the first, a relay connects both batteries together then. This relay could just as easily be a suitable single position switch (on/off) as long as one remembers this :-0
The alternator is powerful enough (90A) to charge both batteries if they were both low on charge.
I see no need at all to supply the car electrics from the aux battery as a normal requirement. Should the car battery expire its just a question to mount the aux battery in its place until a new battery can be got. These events occur rarely, one hopes.
This system has served me
well for about 14 years now.
Why people spend heaps of money on fancy isolators and other wonderful, expensive, electronic batterey management gadgets and "kits" is beyond me. How often does one really need to start the car from the aux battery?
What is useful is a low voltage cut out on the aux battery in case one forgets the fridge was still switched on.
Klaus
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Reply By: Member - JEFF - Wednesday, Sep 22, 2004 at 07:19
Wednesday, Sep 22, 2004 at 07:19
clive
I think you should also get id of it if you are unsure of what does what, i agree with Klaus use a simple method. I use a 4 position battery isolator switch from Hella (batt 1, batt 2, both, off,) The alternator charges the nominated battery selected by me manually (i like manual things that way i KNOW if they are working ,see I'm an old bugger) The alternator is capable of charging both batts at the same time, how do i know this ? ? i put a meter across the batts and both get charged at 13.8 volts. he advantage is obvious ....I know what is being charged and it forces me to open the bonnet daily to flick the switch over and generally look around. best of luck in a complicated world that doesn't need to be complicated*@$#%@"@$#%
regards jeff with an uncomplicated 1999 model 1HZ non turboed troopy
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Reply By: drivesafe - Wednesday, Sep 22, 2004 at 07:23
Wednesday, Sep 22, 2004 at 07:23
Hi Clive G, I’m not sure of the operation of your switch but if you have a multimeter, it will take you a few minutes to workout it’s operation.
Have a note pad and pen handy and have all the electricals in the vehicle turned off, EG, fridge, lights etc.
Start by measuring the voltage across the terminals of both batteries
and note the position of the switch.
If the reading is the same or within about no more than .1 of a volt then the batteries are probably connected through the switch but to make sure, go turn the headlights ON on low beam and go and measure the 2 batteries again.
If the volts are the same on both batteries ( although it should be a lower volts reading than before ) it is pretty safe that the switch is connecting the two batteries together.
If the volts reading is lower on the vehicles main ( cranking ) battery then the switch is isolating the 2 batteries in that position.
Turn your headlights off and then repeat the test in each switch position.
This will give you an idea of how the switch works.
If the batteries are connected together before you started, they will have equalised and have the same voltage reading.
The reason for turning your headlights on, is to cause a voltage drop in one ( or both batteries if they are connected together ).
Hope this helps you sort out the switch. Regards
PS. I would strongly recommend against installing an ordinary solenoid as this is the best way to end up with 2 stuffed batteries.
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Follow Up By: Member - Clive G (WA) - Wednesday, Sep 22, 2004 at 12:00
Wednesday, Sep 22, 2004 at 12:00
Thanks for the info think I will take drivesafe's suggestion, If I can work it out, then will save me time and expense and possible one big headache, as it seems to work just gotta figure out how
Thanks all
Clive
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Follow Up By: Member - Roger L (NSW) - Wednesday, Sep 22, 2004 at 19:21
Wednesday, Sep 22, 2004 at 19:21
Hi Drivesafe,
Got your followup, and yes what you say can happen but with regular checks of the bats before starting warns of any probs lurking. I ALWAYS check the bats before start up with the installed bat checker, one on each bat.
As most 4wd drivers do, It pays to do the underbonet checks before startup.
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Reply By: Member - Roger L (NSW) - Wednesday, Sep 22, 2004 at 17:30
Wednesday, Sep 22, 2004 at 17:30
Clive,
Try Cray man's Idea with the simple solonoid system.
I have this in my Gu and it has worked
well for 4yrs. IE. both bats are conected when the ignition is on and running and when the ignit is not on then the main bat supplies nothing and the aux bat runs the fridge external lights and other gear via a 4 cig lighter type outlet.
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Follow Up By: drivesafe - Wednesday, Sep 22, 2004 at 17:57
Wednesday, Sep 22, 2004 at 17:57
Hi Roger L, take care when using a solenoid in that configuration. Solenoids can be operated from as little as 8 volts, so if your battery looses a cell, under normal circumstances you can not start the vehicle and you know you have a dud battery.
With your system, you will turn the ignition on and there will be enough power to energise the solenoid but you will actually be starting the vehicle off the auxiliary battery.
If the auxiliary battery is a cranking battery then you will get away with starting the vehicle off it for a long while and you may, in the mean time,
discover that the main battery has spat the dummy.
If you don’t find out about the faulty battery or if you are using a deep cycle battery, you are going to have 2 dud batteries before you find out that the main battery is already dead.
This is a very common occuring problem.
Regards.
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