Snatch Strap attachment to ARB bullbar??
Submitted: Wednesday, Sep 22, 2004 at 10:12
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Member - John D (NT)
I have just fitted a new ARB late model bullbar to my 100 series 2002 standard cruiser. It has built in jack points on the bullbar. Does anyone know whether a snatch strap or towing bridle etc can be directly attached to the bar or is it necessary to use hooks fitted to chassis ??
Thanks for any advice
Reply By: Truckster (Vic) - Wednesday, Sep 22, 2004 at 10:21
Wednesday, Sep 22, 2004 at 10:21
Does your bar have holes for mounting hooks onto?
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Reply By: Leroy - Wednesday, Sep 22, 2004 at 10:45
Wednesday, Sep 22, 2004 at 10:45
ARB bars have holes to mount aftermarket recoverypoints. Have a look near where the bar bolts to the chasis and you will see two holes close by where you can mount a recovery hook on either side of the bar.
Leroy
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Follow Up By: Member - John D (NT) - Wednesday, Sep 22, 2004 at 13:21
Wednesday, Sep 22, 2004 at 13:21
Thanks Leyroy & Truckster. Will check bar for holes for attaching hooks.
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Follow Up By: Peter O - Wednesday, Sep 22, 2004 at 15:31
Wednesday, Sep 22, 2004 at 15:31
Hi Leroy,
One point to keep in mind is that the new air-bag compatible bull bars don't seem to have the eyletes that I believe you are referring to.
This seems to be the case with my 2003 GU which has a genuine(made by ARB) bull bar fitted, it has one recovery hook on the drivers side near where the bar is mounted.
Please correct me if I am wrong as I would like to have a better option for recovery points.
Peter
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Follow Up By: Leroy - Wednesday, Sep 22, 2004 at 20:23
Wednesday, Sep 22, 2004 at 20:23
Peter,
If you have a look you have a factory recovery hook as the end of the drivers side chasis rail and on the other rail you will see there are 2 tapped hole in the chasis where you can put antoher recovery hook. I had a look at my ARB bar and no holes either! Other bars I have had and assisted in installing have had them but come to think of it no airbags. I wonder why you cant have revovery hooks on the bar. I have a 10,000lb winch! wouldn't of thought pulling/snatching an airbag bar would be a prob if you can winch.
Leroy
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Reply By: Des Lexic - Wednesday, Sep 22, 2004 at 12:08
Wednesday, Sep 22, 2004 at 12:08
John, the safest point to mount a recovery point on your vehicle is directly to the chassis. Two points are better than one and a bridle will share the load.
Make sure that all the bolts used are high tensile.
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Follow Up By: Member - John D (NT) - Wednesday, Sep 22, 2004 at 13:29
Wednesday, Sep 22, 2004 at 13:29
Thanks Des
Would a bridle such as a tree trunk protector strap passing through
the loop on the end of the pulling vehicle's snatch strap, then fixed to two points on the pulled vehicle , to spread load be OK? Is it safe to fix bridle to vehicle with rated 'D' shackles or better to use open hooks and high tensile bolts?
Thanks again
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Follow Up By: Truckster (Vic) - Wednesday, Sep 22, 2004 at 15:31
Wednesday, Sep 22, 2004 at 15:31
I would say hooks. if something lets go, Shackles can cause issues with causing massive miagranes.
YHWH
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Follow Up By: Des Lexic - Wednesday, Sep 22, 2004 at 16:45
Wednesday, Sep 22, 2004 at 16:45
John, you would need to check the strength of the tree protector because of the safe working limits that you need to work with. I've used a steel sling for winching and we did use rated shackles. It was in a winching exercise for a 4WD training course.
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Reply By: gottabjoaken - Wednesday, Sep 22, 2004 at 12:58
Wednesday, Sep 22, 2004 at 12:58
My advice - for what it may be worth,
would be to return to the dealer who installed the Bull Bar, and ask them. Get their approval according to their judgement. They should be able to make that decision, not anyone else who hasn't actually seen the work.
It is not the strength, macho-ness, material, colour, or manufacturer of the bull bar that matters, it is how
well it is attached to the chassis.
Anyway, why not use the hooks on the chassis. That (PERHAPS) is what they are for.
A Bull Bar through the back window is only slightly less disconcerting than a hook !!!
Ken
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Reply By: Member - John D (NT) - Wednesday, Sep 22, 2004 at 13:50
Wednesday, Sep 22, 2004 at 13:50
G'day Gottabjoaken.
Points taken. I will check with dealer. My confusion on topic stemmed from an article I thought I read some time ago on a 4WD site about some new model bars being designed for snatching applications??? And compounded by the fact that at the Hi Lift jack fittings on the bar there appears to be metal guides welded in place to assist placement of strap which I would then assume was to be led down and attached to securely fitted hooks.
As you are probably aware, the standard loop fittings on the chassis of 100 series are not designed for anything other than being used for tie-down points for the vehicle on it's way over from Japan. Not for any other purposes - esprecially snatching.
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Follow Up By: Des Lexic - Wednesday, Sep 22, 2004 at 16:51
Wednesday, Sep 22, 2004 at 16:51
John, just reading your comment re the tie down loops fitted to the 100. I asked the same question and the reply I got was that if the loops are fixed with high tensile bolts, then the steel loop would be strong enough to use as a recovery point. They are made from 12mm steel and most unlikely to bend or let go.
If you opt to replace them with a hook, get a hook with a "keeper" fitted to keep the wire/rope/protector from falling off.
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Reply By: Member - John D (NT) - Wednesday, Sep 22, 2004 at 17:20
Wednesday, Sep 22, 2004 at 17:20
Thanks Des
You are probably right with loops. I had a good look at
mine and found only about 15-20mm of weld on each end of of loop. I think having it re welded to add a bit of meat to it would certainly strengthen it and with high tensile bolts should be OK. Only catch is you would still need at least one shackle if you were to secure a bridle to both . Which is why I guess hooks with keerers are favoured.
Cheers
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Reply By: Peter 2 - Wednesday, Sep 22, 2004 at 18:37
Wednesday, Sep 22, 2004 at 18:37
Do NOT use a tree trunk protector as a bridle, they are not designed to have the force in one particular spot which would happen if used as a bridle.
The best bridle is a short length of chain specifically made up for that use with grab hooks both ends.
If chain breaks (heaven forbid) it falls in a heap and there are no shackles involved to become missiles.
Lots of accidents are caused by the incorrect use of snatch straps, if there is a need to do more than a gentle tug with a couple of metres slack then other recovery methods should be used.
You are not meant to back up nearly to the stuck vehicle and then nail it!
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Reply By: Member - JimW - Wednesday, Sep 22, 2004 at 22:03
Wednesday, Sep 22, 2004 at 22:03
I have an ARB bar on a 100 series, bought recovery hooks from ARB and found that the holes do not line up. ARB's response was that they only sell what they have on the shelf. Refunded my money. Ring around to find what you can get and use high tensile bolts.
Jim
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Follow Up By: Member - Michael (NSW) - Thursday, Sep 23, 2004 at 11:13
Thursday, Sep 23, 2004 at 11:13
That probably tells you what an "all together" company , ARB are. Wouldnt you think they would alter the drawings of the bull bar to accomodate standard hook? DERRR, too simple i guess!!!
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Reply By: geocacher (djcache) - Thursday, Sep 23, 2004 at 13:26
Thursday, Sep 23, 2004 at 13:26
I had a barney with ARB over use of eyes on my winch bar on my 2002 Courier. It has an airbag compliant bar on it and I was discussing use of their hi-lift jack adapter which I bought on the recommendation of an ARB dealer.
You won't believe how high up the food chain I had to get before someone finally verified what I had suspected all along. The rubber overrider blocks on the front of the bar which obstruct use of the adapter were for decoration not - as had been previously stated by dealers and the guys on the ARB stand at the 4wd show - for supposedly airbag compliance and to prevent low impact detonations.
What really surprised me, as I can find no reference anywhere to it in their literature, is that the engineering bloke I spoke to at ARB said I can't/shouldn't jack of the airbag compliant bar as they don't test it for vertical loading and you could damage the airbag crumple thingy built into the bar mount.
Hard to get good info - even worse when you find out that so many people are risking their vehicle based on the reasonable assumption that they sell an adapter to suit the towpoint therefore you can use it.
Dave
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