Biodiesel????
Submitted: Thursday, Sep 23, 2004 at 14:44
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Anyone dabbled in biodiesel?
Apparently costs less than 60c a litre to make.
If you use waste vegetable oil from the local fish and chip
shop, (which apparently costs them money to dispose off) It can cost even less like 20c.
Not only that it is apparently only 10% less powerful than normal diesel, and I read as long as you make it right it is better for engine wear.
Cheers Jono
Reply By: Truckster (Vic) - Thursday, Sep 23, 2004 at 15:21
Thursday, Sep 23, 2004 at 15:21
Try the archives, there have been numerous threads on this..
Also www.google.com.au and search for it.
The government wants you to pay tax on it now same as petrol and normal diesel... But how will they know your doing it.
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Follow Up By: Member - Michael (NSW) - Thursday, Sep 23, 2004 at 15:59
Thursday, Sep 23, 2004 at 15:59
Hi truckster, so what kind of gear do you need to make it.... simple or complex!!
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Reply By: Member - Michael (NSW) - Thursday, Sep 23, 2004 at 15:58
Thursday, Sep 23, 2004 at 15:58
yeah, make you hungry!!! the smell of fish and chips coming from the diesel vehicle in front...;0)
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Reply By: Rosco - Bris. - Thursday, Sep 23, 2004 at 20:05
Thursday, Sep 23, 2004 at 20:05
Back to your original thread .. the idea has been around for yonks, but from what I've read I'd be hesitant to use it in a modern oil burner .. unless it passed certain criteria.
They're all high tech jobbies now, not remotely like the units of old.
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Reply By: Bilbo - Thursday, Sep 23, 2004 at 22:37
Thursday, Sep 23, 2004 at 22:37
I've made and used "bioD" for ages. If it's costing you 60c per litre - yer making it wrong.
It's been proved countless times over countless kms that BioD is OK. There are trucking and earthmoving company's in "Oz and Europe that have proved byeond doubt about it's efficiency and cleanliness.
Do some internet research, you'll see what I mean. Don't be too concerned about "modern diesels". They'll run on just about any type of oil with no ill effects - as long as the oil is
well filtered and can be sprayed through an injector.
Go for it - forget the taxman, it'll never happen.
Bilbo
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Follow Up By: Bob H - Friday, Sep 24, 2004 at 11:34
Friday, Sep 24, 2004 at 11:34
Hi Bilbo,
Im very interested in the biodiesel situation and am thinking of maybe trying it out. would you be able to let me know the process of producing it and what effects it has on your own 4by. Maybe some links on how to make it as i dont seem to know how to find the info myself.
Thank you
Bob
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Follow Up By: Truckster (Vic) - Friday, Sep 24, 2004 at 12:01
Friday, Sep 24, 2004 at 12:01
I still would have issues pouring it into the fuel
tank for the first time!!!
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Follow Up By: Jonoc - Friday, Sep 24, 2004 at 12:33
Friday, Sep 24, 2004 at 12:33
Here's a thought
Pour it into someone elses car. Or even better a government car :)
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Reply By: Bob H - Friday, Sep 24, 2004 at 13:25
Friday, Sep 24, 2004 at 13:25
Hi Truckster,
I agree. Even though i am considering useing it, (as i am on a pension and am going to be travelling around aus with the family soon) i too have reservations to actually putting it in for the first time. however, if it is cheap, not harmfull to the motor, why not????????? still would like to know to actually make it and possibly use a small qty (20lt) as a test.
Regards
Bob
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Follow Up By: Truckster (Vic) - Friday, Sep 24, 2004 at 13:58
Friday, Sep 24, 2004 at 13:58
Na not baggin ya Bob. I agree 100%.. I started lookin into it a few weeks ago, but it all got too hard.
Diesel is 18c dearer than petrol on way to work today.
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Reply By: Mick - Friday, Sep 24, 2004 at 13:30
Friday, Sep 24, 2004 at 13:30
You can actually buy it from the bouser in Germany, but it is not recycled, it is straight from the refinery, with a mixture of diesel.
We've run our diesel outback battery chargers on many things including straight palm seed oil and olive oil with no running problems.
The exhaust smells like a fish'n'chip fryer!
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Follow Up By: Truckster (Vic) - Friday, Sep 24, 2004 at 13:58
Friday, Sep 24, 2004 at 13:58
Theres a servo "APPARENTLY" in
Newcastle area that does too
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Follow Up By: Werner - Saturday, Sep 25, 2004 at 22:55
Saturday, Sep 25, 2004 at 22:55
Hi all, thought I'd add my 2c worth. In
Adelaide, there are 2 bowsers selling Biodiesel (through SAFF), one in
Blackwood and one in Pooraka. I am not sure if it is pure BioD or where there is any normal diesel mixed in with it. At present, normal diesel costs on avg $1.08 - $1.13 per litre. The price for BioD is anywhere from 2c-8c per litre cheaper than normal diesel, although lately it seems to be the lower figure, last time $1.059 per litre I think. I would like to know why it costs so much considering that it is made from waste products, and it is a relatively simple process (with the right equipment) to make. No doubt the government have their greedy paws in there somewhere. I had heard that they had made a stuffup and put the particulate emissions tax on it whereas I believe that there are negligible such emissions when using Biodiesel. I have run my 1994 Toyota 4runner on BioD for the last 5-6 months excluding ca 600 litres during a trip to SW Qld. I have changed my fuel filter once, after about an initial 3x113 L of BioD. There is a slight loss in power (not much really) and occasionally slightly worse fuel economy. Other than that, no noticable problems. I intend to continue to use it. I have heard rumors that there is supposed to be an expansion in the number of bowsers selling BioD in
Adelaide, hopefully this will lead to some competition.
Hope this is of interest.
Werner
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Follow Up By: Truckster (Vic) - Sunday, Sep 26, 2004 at 21:58
Sunday, Sep 26, 2004 at 21:58
" I would like to know why it costs so much considering that it is made from waste products, and it is a relatively simple process (with the right equipment) to make."
Greed
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Reply By: Member - Mark (VIC) - Sunday, Sep 26, 2004 at 00:30
Sunday, Sep 26, 2004 at 00:30
Anyone know where I can buy methanol from? I knew a mate many years ago that got it in 200lt drums for his racing hotrods and sprint cars so it must be redily available from somewhere.
I am certainly going to give this a go. I know alot of people that own fish&chip shops and they all have to pay to dispose of their oils. Just need the methanol.
I have 3 diesel 4bs, 2 diesel tractors, 3 diesel V8 firetrucks (ex airport fire tenders) and numerous other diesel generators and motors. I certainly chew through the diesel supplies and have different motors to test it on first before I use it in my pride and joy.
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Reply By: hoyks - Monday, Sep 27, 2004 at 11:05
Monday, Sep 27, 2004 at 11:05
The NSW Waterways authority runs all it's diesel powered floating plant (pile drivers, cranes and stuff for building wharves) on Biodiesel, as it is a lot kinder to the environment if they have a spill.
The Bogas at Hexham was selling BD until the place that was making it burnt down (or so I heard). There is currently a place at Maitland that makes it from recycled oil and sells it to quite a few mines up the Hunter valley. If a
mine trusts it with the inherent cost involved in machinery lying idle, it must be OK.
I ran the Terrano II on BD for about 6 months and would again if it was available locally.
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