Biodiesel - answers

Submitted: Tuesday, Sep 28, 2004 at 22:42
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Guys,

I don't know why I'm doing this - why tell everyone when you're onto a good thing, but there have been a few enquiries of late about Bio-D. Here's a few links to get you started.

If any of you read this material and think it's all to hard (as some have already stated) - then read no futher. But remember, anything worth having doesn't come easy. Having said that, I started with an old "Birko" electric hot water tea making urn and a few plastic buckets and I didn't find it hard at all.

There are some folks that make it, that go to extremes in final product specs, but I don't go that far. Too much messin' about.

ALL diesels will run on Bio-D. Diesels will run just about any old oil - as long as it's clean. The major probs with older vehicles are that the hoses and seals won't tolerate Bio-D in it's neat form. Best to mix it with normal diesel. More recent vehicles have hoses of non-natural rubber comounds that can tolerate Bio-D. Volkswagon diesels cans run 100% Bio-D. Also, Bio-D has major ability to scour out crud and crap from fuel tanks and lines - so be prepared to change a few filters when you first use it. OR - fit an "agglomerator" (water trap) filter that has the glass bowl and CHEAP filter underneath. It'll stop a lot of the crud before it hits the expensive main fuel filter - I'm talking Nissan here at $60.00 a pop.

Where do you get methanol from? Try any motor parts speed shop that has connections with drag cars or speedway. They use it all the time. Or phone Shell and they'll ya where ya can buy it. It's available in 20 litre or 200 litre drums. 100% Caustic is available at hardware stores - normally sold as drain cleaner. Plumbers use it all the time. It's cheap as chips too.

But be warned - there are safety issues to be considered. I have a long background in the oil industry so I know (reasonably??) what I'm doing. But if ya ain't used to messing with chemicals then perhaps ya should give it a miss.

Here's a few links to start with. AND for God's sake be careful with methanol and mixing it with Caustic (Sodium Hydroxide). Read about the safety aspects of methanol and Sodium Methoxide before you start.

http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_mike.html

http://www.dancingrabbit.org/biodiesel/flrecipe.html

http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_processor.html

http://www.veggiepower.org.uk/

http://www.ballarat.edu.au/projects/ensus/case_studies/biodiesel/biodiesel.htm

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Biodiesel/messages

http://www.kelseyville.com/biodsl/

I have a heap more links. Search "Yahoo Groups" for some good info and links.

Bilbo.
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Reply By: Lone Wolf - Tuesday, Sep 28, 2004 at 22:48

Tuesday, Sep 28, 2004 at 22:48
Children, please don't try this at home................

Knowing my luck, I'd have the drug squad around in a flash, all wearing their white suits & masks.

Channel 9 would run a story on 4 x 4 driver mixing drugs with fuel to go faster on suburban streets........

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Reply By: Member - Ed. C.- Tuesday, Sep 28, 2004 at 23:05

Tuesday, Sep 28, 2004 at 23:05
Also, anyone interested in this subject may wish to pick up a copy of the book
"From the Fryer to the Fuel Tank".. The Complete Guide to Using Vegetable Oil as an Alternative Fuel... Author Joshua Tickell.. Published by Tickell Energy Consulting... Printed in the Good ol' U.S. of A... IBSN 0-9707227-0-2...
Pretty much explains everything..
Any good bookstore should be able to get it for ya...
Been on my "Gunna-Doo" list for a while to give this a go.. Might just have to extract the ol' digit!!
Regards, Ed. C.
Confucius say.....
"He who lie underneath automobile with tool in hand,
....Not necessarily mechanic!!"

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Reply By: Member - Mark (VIC) - Wednesday, Sep 29, 2004 at 00:30

Wednesday, Sep 29, 2004 at 00:30
I have looked at all this a few weeks ago and I am about to start. Today I went out and sourced a few suppliers of oil in preparation for larger scale production. I already have most parts for a processing plant and should be able to produce around 100-200 litres a day. (Wont be doing it every day, perhaps once a week, but each batch i'll be able to produce at least 100 litres.)
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Reply By: Member - Oskar (Bris) - Wednesday, Sep 29, 2004 at 08:00

Wednesday, Sep 29, 2004 at 08:00
I set up all the gear a couple of years ago got the book, the methanol and the fryer oil and decided against it ,, not because it was too hard but because I could just imagine the response from my household insurance company if there was a fire with 40 litres of methanol and 200 litres of diesel going up in the suburbs.

For me it is not worth the risk in a suburban setting.

Out a bit further and I'd do it.
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Reply By: Rick Blaine - Wednesday, Sep 29, 2004 at 08:31

Wednesday, Sep 29, 2004 at 08:31
This sounds to good to be true.....will bio run my T/D Jackeroo? Ethanol is fairly freely available if you live in a cane area. I still think the smell is going to confuse blind lesbians though.
Seriously I'm going to give this a go...Locally there is much hype about fuel prices I may apply for a "Developement Grant " to set myself up with a "prototype" plant at the new Recycling estate... its just the sort of boost our local pollies keep telling us we need and think of the extra revenue they will make in Bio Tax...
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Follow Up By: ol coot - Wednesday, Sep 29, 2004 at 13:43

Wednesday, Sep 29, 2004 at 13:43
I accidently filled my jackaroo with bio(thought it was normal diesel) and could not tell any difference.I have not used it since after reports of fuel system rubber problems.Dont know if they are true or not.l
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Reply By: Bilbo - Wednesday, Sep 29, 2004 at 22:28

Wednesday, Sep 29, 2004 at 22:28
WARNING!!!!

Do not use ETHANOL - it doesn't work correctly. The chemical equation balance is totally wrong with ETHANOL. It must be METHANOL. Folks have tried Ethanol but it's too messy and not very productive.

Yes - the rubber problems are real on older vehicles.

Bilbo
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Reply By: Rowler - Thursday, Sep 30, 2004 at 16:20

Thursday, Sep 30, 2004 at 16:20
Generally how much a litre is it to produce?

Cheers Rowler (dave)
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