Simpson Desert and UHF Ch 10
Submitted: Friday, Oct 01, 2004 at 08:24
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Member - Peter
Ok people I have a beef. I know that this has appeared before in the
forum, I want to know if I am being unreasonable.
We recently returned from a trip culiminating in a west-east crossing of the Simpson via the WAA Line. In the SA Desert Parks pack we were advised to use UHF Ch10, in that we call ahead to make sure we didn't end up bullbar to bullbar with a east-west crossing vehicle. We also noted that there is extensive
signage requesting travellers stick to Ch10. So we did, and to our frustration we came across several un-annouced vehicles coming the other way at various stages of the crossing. Each time I asked them which channel they were using or listening to.
Invariably the response, we are scanning, what's the problem? And each time I asked them, did you hear us talking? Each time the response was, nope. I even tried talking continously on ch 10, to see if the other guys radio would stop its scan. And it didn't, it seemed it was a complete waste of time having his radio on.
So, I have a theory, scanning all 40 channels DOES NOT WORK!!!!!! It takes the radio too long to run through all the channels, and to pick up the occassional voice on channel 10 at the short UHF range in the dunes.
I know the arguements are that big groups can clutter up ch 10, but considering the short range of the UHF sets, it won't take long for a group to go out of range of the other group. I for one will not mind sharing a channel to ensure the safety of ALL travellers in this area. It's also fun to listen to the chatter, and maybe learn about the upcoming terrian.
I am sure that there are going to be more accidents in this area unless people take the time to either stick to ch 10 exclusively, or learn how to setup their radios to priority scan ch 10, while using one other channel.
Please let me know if this seems unreasonable.
Reply By: cokeaddict - Friday, Oct 01, 2004 at 08:30
Friday, Oct 01, 2004 at 08:30
Sounds fair to me mate,
If the
sign said ch 10 thats where i would be...simple common sence i think. But ther are alwasy hero's out there that know it all. Just glad you guys made it home, thats the important bit.
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Reply By: MrBitchi - Friday, Oct 01, 2004 at 08:47
Friday, Oct 01, 2004 at 08:47
I agree. Scanning 40 channels takes too long.
If your going to use scanning then you should set up group scanning and only scan the channels that may be of interest eg. 5, 10, 11, 18, 40. Scanning only 5 channels or so doesn't take long so you don't miss any callers. Probably should add in the repeater channel for the area your in.
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Reply By: GO_OFFROAD - Friday, Oct 01, 2004 at 08:51
Friday, Oct 01, 2004 at 08:51
all this is fine, if you have a
uhf radio, but a radio still doesnt cover for lack of common sense, a flag, or not treating each dune as if it is a 2 way track.
Until it becomes law to be on ch 10, and listen, people are still free to chose I guess.
I took a group of 17 across recently, and had my hand held uhf on 10, which picked up noise in plenty of time, without listening to the others for an hour before seeing them, while we used our own trip designated channel for our group.
I had one of our vehicles in my convoy doing the talking to others on 10, [he was on our channel, and 10 as
well] so i was still free to talk to tail end or the group on our channel as required. He was using a proper uhf set, and when he heard others would ask them what track they were on, and which direction [n s e w] they were headed, then report back to me on 10 if they were going to become oncoming, and the hand held would allow me to hear/speak with them once we were within about 1km normally.
Worked very
well, though we still had some surprises.
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Reply By: Member - AndrewPatrol - Friday, Oct 01, 2004 at 09:02
Friday, Oct 01, 2004 at 09:02
Yeh we just got back too. I made a "group scan" group that included 10 and the channel we were using plus any that we heard on the air. Occasionally I would stop on top of a dune and listen for a few minutes then ask for travellers in the opposing direction on several channels (especially 10). I also found that having a powerful aerial helped quite a bit (one of those GME 2.1 mt jobs) . This still does not help for those idiots that don't have any form of warning device but what can you do? There are risks in everyday life.
The major advantage of "group scan" is that the radio doesn't beep everytime you want to talk. I also had a very tall flag. We found that big groups tend to use other channels and it wasn't a prob to pick them up. As for the loners -
well - what can you say?
I've probably said all that you have, but the problem seems to be the people that just go into ARB and then think they can buy experience off the shelf, let alone are too arrogant to read the instruction book ( don't care if this is harsh) or join a club or look on this site or any other form of learning from others before its too late.
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Reply By: Nudenut - Friday, Oct 01, 2004 at 09:26
Friday, Oct 01, 2004 at 09:26
make it one way ....problem solvered haha
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Reply By: Member - Peter- Friday, Oct 01, 2004 at 10:17
Friday, Oct 01, 2004 at 10:17
The other point I wanted to make was, that if everybody listened to Ch10 that defeats the purposes.
The key issue is that Ch10 must be used, that is, talk on it.
Just listening to the channel will not prevent incidents.
I am happy people seem to generally agree, I was starting to think I was being a bit of a Nazi.
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Reply By: rolande- Friday, Oct 01, 2004 at 11:27
Friday, Oct 01, 2004 at 11:27
Peter,
I agree with you, and so will be installing a 27mHz AM unit for general banter between vehicles, while being able to listen and use the UHF for the area we are travelling through. Kids in vehicles love chatting to each other but we don't want to tie up a channel all the time. Trip info and chatter is via UHF. We have decided this the best solution for us, certainly not perfect but at least we don't need to scan.
Those working in the bush around my area don't always appreciate kids having fun.
Rolande
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Reply By: Member - JohnR (Vic) - Friday, Oct 01, 2004 at 11:48
Friday, Oct 01, 2004 at 11:48
Peter agree entirely but it does not stop some who think they have a pressing reason to be elsewhere and agree with others that listening does nothing if everyone else is doing the same.
It is important to let others know you are in the proximity. We gave a position call periodically ie. "WAA315 heading west" to alert others to proximity. Listening does nothing at all on channel 10 and talking on another channel is as useful as tits on a bull...............
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Reply By: fozzy - Friday, Oct 01, 2004 at 12:16
Friday, Oct 01, 2004 at 12:16
peter would tend to agree a little in what you say but at the end of the day all it would take is at least the lead car having a flag of somesort and looking where they are going
all the radio communications ,gadgets etc will not stop accidents but looking where you are going and concentrating would help
realistically u dont need much speed to get over 99 % of the dunes in the simpson anyway
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Follow Up By: Member - AndrewPatrol - Friday, Oct 01, 2004 at 16:10
Friday, Oct 01, 2004 at 16:10
Each car should have a flag, 'cos you will get seperated sometime.
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Reply By: Sam - Friday, Oct 01, 2004 at 14:41
Friday, Oct 01, 2004 at 14:41
On a GME TX4200 you can set your priority channel to 10 (Press the channel selector button for about 4 seconds) and then "group scan" on 40 channels.
By doing this if there is any transmission on channel 10 the set will pick it up - regardless on where it is up to on the 1 - 40 scan.
On "open scan" this function will not work.
Hope this helps.
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Follow Up By: Wombat - Friday, Oct 01, 2004 at 15:51
Friday, Oct 01, 2004 at 15:51
Same scenario on the TX3400.
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Follow Up By: Truckster (Vic) - Friday, Oct 01, 2004 at 17:02
Friday, Oct 01, 2004 at 17:02
Same with most UHF radios, but you have to know how to use the flammin thing. 99% wouldnt . they are struggling to turn it on.
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Reply By: floyd - Friday, Oct 01, 2004 at 18:52
Friday, Oct 01, 2004 at 18:52
Simple solution:::
Get all west bound traffic to use chanell 10
All Eastern bound traffic tio use chanell 20
In Ireland it works
well.
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Reply By: Willem - Friday, Oct 01, 2004 at 22:46
Friday, Oct 01, 2004 at 22:46
Just back from there
Really could not be bothered listening to all the inane crap from other groups on Ch10 so used another channel. I go to
the desert to enjoy the mnbience of the place not to listen to the bloody radio crackling. My 5 metre flag pole was suffiecient to be seen by anyone approaching. Took things easy and did not have any near misses
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Reply By: Croozer - Saturday, Oct 02, 2004 at 00:00
Saturday, Oct 02, 2004 at 00:00
I would also emphasize the importance of a flag on a TALL aerial, and drive at a sensible pace. I crossed the Simpson last year and saw several vehicles with no flag or one that was difficult to see (ie a small blue aussie flag) and quite a few clowns driving too fast, Whats the hurry !!!!!!!!!
Stu
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