Vibration noise in my 80 Series HELP!!!
Submitted: Tuesday, Oct 05, 2004 at 11:26
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war11x
Hi to all
i am looking for some help with my 80 series cruiser
i had a 50mm lift kit installed ( king springs , Ranch RS9000 Shocks) around 2 months ago
since the lift was fiitted i have a vibration through the car above 70 ks and a vibration noise in the front end when you are just on power running down hills or with bugger all load on the drive line i have been back to the instaler of the kit as
well as countless work shops ranging from 4 x 4 Specialists to Numerous Mechanics WITH NO LUCK although they have all had a good go @ fixing it
so far both frony CV,s have been replaced , front diff has had a full rebuild , all shocks, springs , bushes ,( castor ,panard , sway bars ) have been replaced new uni joints in front tail shaft and the list goes on as does the $$$$
if i pull the front shaft out of the car and drive it all isues go , if i applie the brakes when the noise is thier it still remains ,
any help or hopefully some one else has had this happen to them
Waiting in Anticipation for your reply
WARWICK
Reply By: locallaw - Tuesday, Oct 05, 2004 at 12:20
Tuesday, Oct 05, 2004 at 12:20
Gidday,You have answered your own question.I had the same problem in a 4 Runner i had.It had been lifted and the diff angle was the culprit.When the diff and the gearbox are out of alignment(too great an angle) the tailshaft sets up a vibration.I had to fit wedges to the rear axle to fix the problem.Also check the alignment of the uni joints(very easlie overlooked)even if they had been replaced.Chec all your engine and b/box mounts these can also cause vibrations in the drive line.
If some one has greased the front spline on the d/shaft excessivly this can also cause a vibration in the line.
I also now have a 80 series that has been lifted and suffer the same vibe at 103 ks and some day will fix it.
Hope this helps,
Seeya Locallaw
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Follow Up By: war11x - Tuesday, Oct 05, 2004 at 12:47
Tuesday, Oct 05, 2004 at 12:47
Cheers Locallaw , However
the drive shaft angle is
well and truly withinn specs ,their is no indication of binding nor comming close to binding from what i have been told by nearly everone i take it to
the shaft has been pulled apart and all greese removed then regreesed with only a few pumps of greese
all engine , gearbox and body mounts have been checked ,
how high have you lifted your 80 ?
ps i am also running 3 deg cator bushes
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Follow Up By: Member - DOZER- Tuesday, Oct 05, 2004 at 16:11
Tuesday, Oct 05, 2004 at 16:11
Hi The problem is that the unis are not at the same angel...have a look at the shaft where it is and notice the diff uni is almost straight where as the gearbox uni is at an angle. This has occurred as the
suspension went up, and caster bushes have been placed to fix steering geometry.
You can try...
Putting a 15mm spacer under the crossmember each side, and if no joy, your options are to part time it, or fit a couble cardon joint to the front (like hiluxes and older 60's had) This will fix the vibrations.
Whilst you ae under the car, check the spider shaft for excess looseness by moving it up and down with your hand, also make sure thew front shaft has been put together correctly...it should be out of phase 90 degrese...have a look at the rear shaft...it is in phase, (unis at each end are lined up thesame) look at the front one and it should be 90 degrese out to how the rear is...
Andrew
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Follow Up By: war11x - Wednesday, Oct 06, 2004 at 07:45
Wednesday, Oct 06, 2004 at 07:45
Hi And thanks andrew
please read on below to Locallaw replies
cheers
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Reply By: locallaw - Tuesday, Oct 05, 2004 at 13:49
Tuesday, Oct 05, 2004 at 13:49
Gidday,There are no specs for d/shaft angles on a truck that has been lifted.As for binding they dont bind but are out of alignment.The tailshaft sets up awobble.It is hard to try and explain what happens when they are out over the net.The vibe you are feeling comes thru the floor under your feet and thru your
seat is that correct and no vibes in the s/wheel.Have you had the d/shaft balanced.Do you have a load in the rear which increases the front d/shaft angle therefore causing a vibe.
Mine has been lifted 50 mm Do a search thru the archives under driveshaft vibrations and see what pops up.
Try and see,
Seeya Locallaw
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Follow Up By: locallaw - Tuesday, Oct 05, 2004 at 13:57
Tuesday, Oct 05, 2004 at 13:57
Gidday again,You said the d/shaft has been dismantled and reassembled check against another 80 series to make sure it is the same and the unijoints are lined as per the manual.As you said take the shaft off and no problems.
Seeya Locallaw
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Follow Up By: war11x - Tuesday, Oct 05, 2004 at 14:02
Tuesday, Oct 05, 2004 at 14:02
Hey Locallaw
the shaft was checked next to my friends one and no differance we even installed his( he has no issues with vibrations ) into my car and yet the noise continues , we also installed my d/shaft into his and his still had no noise / vibrations
TA
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Reply By: locallaw - Tuesday, Oct 05, 2004 at 15:23
Tuesday, Oct 05, 2004 at 15:23
Gidday again,Which now points to tailshaft wobble and tailshaft alignment.
Seeya Locallaw
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Follow Up By: locallaw - Tuesday, Oct 05, 2004 at 15:25
Tuesday, Oct 05, 2004 at 15:25
Whoops forgot Tailshaft wobble and alignment on your truck only.
Seeya Locallaw
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Follow Up By: war11x - Wednesday, Oct 06, 2004 at 07:44
Wednesday, Oct 06, 2004 at 07:44
remember that i installed my friend t/shaft and the issues were still thier , as was
mine in his ,also the t/shaft has been checked and is all set ok ( same as friends and toyota workshop manual)
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Reply By: Member Eric - Tuesday, Oct 05, 2004 at 17:37
Tuesday, Oct 05, 2004 at 17:37
Mate dont stress . ill tell you exactly what it is . When your mechanic fitted your springs , he let the front tail shaft hit the swaybar , it has a minor didnt and is out of ballance , Ballance the front tail shaft and problem will go away
cheers
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Follow Up By: locallaw - Tuesday, Oct 05, 2004 at 18:08
Tuesday, Oct 05, 2004 at 18:08
Gidday Eric,You didnt read his reply.He tried another shaft and was still the same.
Seeya Locallaw
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Reply By: crfan - Tuesday, Oct 05, 2004 at 17:59
Tuesday, Oct 05, 2004 at 17:59
Is it a noise ,vibration or steering wheel wobble ?
Try getting the standard springs put back in, only takes half an hour and if it goes away.it is more than likley the tail shaft angle other wise it is the caster angle and your are getting the vibration the same as shopping trolley caster wheels do.
Pedro
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Follow Up By: war11x - Wednesday, Oct 06, 2004 at 07:58
Wednesday, Oct 06, 2004 at 07:58
Hi Pedro
i have one vibration that runs all the way through the car , not through the steering wheel
and 1 vibration noise when i am coasting down a
hill or just on the throttle lightly ( just taking a the slack so to speak )
i still have the old springs , however after paying for all the kit i would like to try and sort the issues out with the liffted kit as it is only 50 mm and not over the top ,
CYA
Warwick
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Reply By: Member Eric - Tuesday, Oct 05, 2004 at 18:28
Tuesday, Oct 05, 2004 at 18:28
Warwick , were do you live . If you are in
Melbourne , I would be more than happy to have a look . I would like to have a drive to see what noise you have . I have a 5" lifter cruiser with ni vibration what so ever . My drive angles are spot on , so i dont see it been anything like this . Unless your castor kit is fitted wrong , and its up SH*T
creek. Have you had a wheel alighment ? what was the reading ? caster that is. where the CV's go into the hub, is the brass bush ok ? is will make the CV's flop around .
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Follow Up By: war11x - Wednesday, Oct 06, 2004 at 07:53
Wednesday, Oct 06, 2004 at 07:53
Cheers Eric
i live up here on the sunny Central Coast yes we have had the car to a few wheel , balance / alignment shops reading was 1 deg pos
i have thought about the castor bushes as they are the only things that we have not changed in the front end , other then installing them after the stock rubber ones , with a 50mm lift are/ would the stock ones be alright to use ?
or do i need to keep the 2 or 3 deg ones in the car ? as for the brass bush i have read about how some people are removing them and installing the 100 series roller pin bearings in them ,would this be of benifit ?
CYA
warwick
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Follow Up By: Member Eric - Wednesday, Oct 06, 2004 at 08:09
Wednesday, Oct 06, 2004 at 08:09
it will only be of benifit , if your brass bushes are RS
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Follow Up By: war11x - Wednesday, Oct 06, 2004 at 14:12
Wednesday, Oct 06, 2004 at 14:12
Thank you Eric
before the car was liffted thier was no noise / vibrations in the car, after picking up the car the issues started ( 1/2k Down the road) would liffting the car allow the brass bushes to become an issue ? if so how?
Ta
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Follow Up By: Member Eric - Wednesday, Oct 06, 2004 at 17:35
Wednesday, Oct 06, 2004 at 17:35
There is no way in hell, that a 50 mm kit can cause there problems . Did you fit the castor bushes at the same time ?
Let go through this one step at a time and we will sort it out .
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Follow Up By: Member Eric - Wednesday, Oct 06, 2004 at 17:40
Wednesday, Oct 06, 2004 at 17:40
actually , give me a call on 0418364781 . We can have a chat , we will get to the bottom of this
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Follow Up By: war11x - Wednesday, Oct 06, 2004 at 19:26
Wednesday, Oct 06, 2004 at 19:26
Cheers Eric
i will call you tomorrow (7th Oct) and fill you in
Thanks
Warwick
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Reply By: Member - DOZER- Wednesday, Oct 06, 2004 at 18:49
Wednesday, Oct 06, 2004 at 18:49
Ok read through the posts and you have put a 50mm lift in the bus but not had a caster correction yet. +1 is about right for this lift...you should have noticed the steering is very twitchy/sensitive, but not too bad. You should also not have any vibrations, but this is not the case. Swapping driveshafts does no good, it is therefore something to do with your setup or mechanical state of components. Taking out your front shaft stops the vibrations aswell so it is something to do with the angle of the dangle....i have heard many people complain about this vibration before, so you are in good company.
The easiest way to correct the caster back to spec of -1 degree would be 2 degree caster bushes, however, i would suggest you look up the lcool website on www.lcool.org for other ways to do this, keeping your rubber bushes that flex better in the bush, and dont crack the diff housings or prematurely wear out.
Doing this (changing caster) may stop the vibrations....putting spacers under the crossmember may stop the vibrations...they are from 2 unis running at different angles...their vibs are not being cancelled out by eachother as is the usual scenario.
If all else fails, put some spacers ontop of
the springs :-)
Andrew
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Reply By: locallaw - Wednesday, Oct 06, 2004 at 19:35
Wednesday, Oct 06, 2004 at 19:35
Gidday,I rest my case.
Seeya Locallaw
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