Recovery Points on Bull Bars on vehicles fitted with air bags

Submitted: Saturday, Oct 09, 2004 at 11:52
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Hi there,

Can anyone explain if it is ok to fit rated shackle mounting brackets to my bull bar which is a factory nissan model fitted to a Nissan Navara STR (airbag fitted)?

Pros and Cons?

Your input would be greatly appreciated!

Regards,

Johnny
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Reply By: GO_OFFROAD - Saturday, Oct 09, 2004 at 11:58

Saturday, Oct 09, 2004 at 11:58
would depend on how, where, fit a winch, and you have a rated recovery point on the front then ;-)
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Reply By: Member - Peter Z (VIC) - Saturday, Oct 09, 2004 at 12:09

Saturday, Oct 09, 2004 at 12:09
G'day Johnny,

I have a 99 Jackaroo which I fitted an ARB steel bullbar to. These bars have a couple of strengthened eye holes down low and the ARB guy told me that they are commonly used and are ok for recovery, BUT ONLY for NON air bag trucks.

He said this is becoz in the event of a front collision the bar is air bag compatible becoz of the deformable cradle which attaches the bar to the truck--- so if you use the bar as a recovery point the cradle will probably deform to some extent & so possibly affect it's purpose.

Other more learned people may agree or not agree.
cheers
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Follow Up By: Johnny Nav - Saturday, Oct 09, 2004 at 12:15

Saturday, Oct 09, 2004 at 12:15
I had a feeling that was the case. My local 4x4 parts people are suggesting that I put the recovery point on the bar, however I am very hesitant! They used the arguement that if it is a winch bar, then why cant I fit some eyelets to the front of the bar to used for snatch applications. I would think that a winch recovery would exert a difdferent amount of force for different durations as oposed to a snatch recovery.

I think I'll shy away from the idea unless someone can prove otherwise.

Thanks for the advice Pete!

John
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Follow Up By: Member - Peter Z (VIC) - Saturday, Oct 09, 2004 at 12:36

Saturday, Oct 09, 2004 at 12:36
G'day again John,

Just want to correct one thing in my above reply, the guy who gave me that opinion or info was NOT in fact connected directly to ARB, but is the chief of the 4x4 shop where I bought the bar which sells ARB gear as well as other brands
cheers
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Follow Up By: Phil G - Saturday, Oct 09, 2004 at 12:56

Saturday, Oct 09, 2004 at 12:56
Peter,

Those reinforced eye holes are not rated for snatch recovery. In fact those eyes are disappearing from ARB bars - I believe for safety/liability issues as they can rip out.

Cheers
Phil
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Follow Up By: Utemad - Saturday, Oct 09, 2004 at 16:02

Saturday, Oct 09, 2004 at 16:02
They are disappearing because they are for a Hi Lift jack. You used to need a special bracket to attach to this eye but now they have integrated hi lift points.

As said the two holes either side of the bullbar mounts on the box section are for recovery hooks.
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Follow Up By: geocacher (djcache) - Saturday, Oct 09, 2004 at 22:44

Saturday, Oct 09, 2004 at 22:44
I have a Courier with one of these airbag bars and after much chasing I had it confirmed by ARB Head Office that you can't even use these eyes for the Hi Lift adapter on an airbag bar (for the Courier anyway and I suspect strongly other models) as the deformable mount isn't rated for lifting.

They are pretty much useless. Can't snatch, can't lift. Gently pull and hold winch hook only.

Dave
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Follow Up By: Utemad - Sunday, Oct 10, 2004 at 08:07

Sunday, Oct 10, 2004 at 08:07
Can't snatch or jack with it. Mounts deform when you hit something. Makes you wonder why you bother spending the $1000 or so?
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Follow Up By: geocacher (djcache) - Sunday, Oct 10, 2004 at 20:35

Sunday, Oct 10, 2004 at 20:35
Somewhere to mount a winch, two driving lights and two aerials.....

About $200 worth of space each on that basis....

Dave
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Reply By: Member - KG (QLD) - Saturday, Oct 09, 2004 at 15:09

Saturday, Oct 09, 2004 at 15:09
THOSE EYES ON THE FRONT OF ARB BULLBARS ARE NOT RATED FOR RECOVERY!!!!!!
they are for the attachment of a hi lift jack adaptor.

the bottom of most arb bullbars has on either side 2 x holes which happen to match up perfectly to the recovery hooks that arb sell. this is where i fitted them on the lux.

i havent snatched a vehicle from the front but i have yanked several BIG trees pretty bloody hard (flat stick low reverse)...

to date i havent had an airbag blow up in my face.

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Follow Up By: Member - Peter Z (VIC) - Saturday, Oct 09, 2004 at 15:18

Saturday, Oct 09, 2004 at 15:18
Sounds like I just copped some sales pitch I reckon. Have always thought I would'nt use a bull bar for recovery. the quoted comments were made to me at Outback 4wd Bayswater in Melb.
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Reply By: Member - AndrewPatrol - Saturday, Oct 09, 2004 at 15:20

Saturday, Oct 09, 2004 at 15:20
Why not put em on the chassis? Thats where mine are on a Patrol. in fact I bought a GQ one and fitted it on the other side and so I now have two - more useful than you'd think
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Reply By: Peter 2 - Saturday, Oct 09, 2004 at 18:51

Saturday, Oct 09, 2004 at 18:51
Most late model vehicles are relatively light in the chassis these days to meet impact absorption and airbag trigger targets.
You probablyy should use a chain attached to both chassis rails/recovery points behind the crumple cans.
I've seen a few 100 series that employ this method, distributes the load to both rails avoiding chassis damage.
Personally I feel that too many people snatch way too hard in situations that would be better utilising a winch.
Gone are the days when most 4wd's had heavy duty chassis and recovery points.
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Reply By: Eric Experience. - Saturday, Oct 09, 2004 at 22:23

Saturday, Oct 09, 2004 at 22:23
Johnny.
To understand the problem its best to look at the air bag trigger design. The normal air bag trigger is placed under or near the drivers seat and is set to trigger the air bag if it is acelerated at more than a preset no of g's [2-4] for 1or2 milliseconds, so what you must ensure is that you dont give a sudden jerk on the body. From the above you can see that its not where you attach but the way you recover that matters. Charging with a chian is a nono, but using a snatch strap with gentle run up is fine. If you are paranoid about blowing your bag you can unplug the trigger during recovery, but please remember to plug it in agian afterwards, you should get a srs fail light on if you do. Eric.
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Follow Up By: Johnny Nav - Saturday, Oct 09, 2004 at 23:31

Saturday, Oct 09, 2004 at 23:31
Thanks Eric,

I think that I'll adopt a combination of the advice offered above. Easy does it with the snatch, bar mount shackel brackets to avoid having to access chassis mounted version when in a difficult situation, and I'll look into how to disconnect the airbag trigger.

Thanks guys!

Johnny
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Follow Up By: MrBitchi - Monday, Oct 11, 2004 at 08:16

Monday, Oct 11, 2004 at 08:16
Eric, I'm sure the Pajero (NM) has the airbag trigger mounted alonside the radiator.
John
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