Friction Modifier in LSD
Submitted: Tuesday, Oct 12, 2004 at 10:05
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DARREN
Oil guru's.
Just had my 40k service on my 2003 3.0 GU and the mechanic who also has a 3.0 GU took it upon himself to add Penrite friction modifier to the LSD oil to stop the rear typres grabbing when slow cornering. Nice and smooth now when turning up my steep gravel driveway but I am wondering if he should have done this and what the implications of this are:
Will it reduce the performance of the LSD off road?
Will it have an adverse effect upon the diff. clutches or diff longevity?
I recall years ago adding normal diff (rather than LSD) oil to my banjo LSD in an EH by mistake and the result being really bad chatter rather than smoothing it out.
Thanks in advance.
Darren
Reply By: Member - Captain (WA) - Tuesday, Oct 12, 2004 at 10:24
Tuesday, Oct 12, 2004 at 10:24
Hi Darren,
I'm no expert at all, but i reckon that the rear tyre grabbing when cornering was proof that the LSD was working. Now that it no longer does that, its "proof" the LSD isn't working!!! The Nissan LSD is about the best in the business and this is why it chatters on road. When it stops chattering, its lost its effectiveness.
Somehow I don't think even changing the oil and flushing will fix the problem, the friction modifiers tend to adhere to the clutch plates themselves. Probably cheaper to replace with a locker than replace the clutch packs at Nissans prices!.
Cheers
Captain
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Follow Up By: DARREN - Tuesday, Oct 12, 2004 at 10:30
Tuesday, Oct 12, 2004 at 10:30
That's not that warm fuzzy it will be allright response I was looking for Captain, but is what I was thinking re LSd not working (or at least not working as
well).
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Reply By: Truckster (Vic) - Tuesday, Oct 12, 2004 at 10:35
Tuesday, Oct 12, 2004 at 10:35
I think he has errored. As Capt says isnt friction how an LSD works? Not grabbing means the LSD is slipping, which means you may as
well throw it away..
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Follow Up By: DARREN - Tuesday, Oct 12, 2004 at 11:08
Tuesday, Oct 12, 2004 at 11:08
Well I probably won't throw it away just yet, but am very interested in
views from someone who knows lots about oil and diffs.
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Reply By: Peter Guy - Tuesday, Oct 12, 2004 at 11:17
Tuesday, Oct 12, 2004 at 11:17
I have a GU TD Patrol now 6yo/210,000 Ks and I have always changed the diff oils every 40,000 ks and I have always used Penrite LSD diff oil in both diffs.
No problems what so ever.
Never needed to add a friction modifyer.
But I can't see what harm it will do.
Suggest you phone Penrite and their technical people can advise you accordingly.
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Reply By: johnny jackaroo - Tuesday, Oct 12, 2004 at 11:45
Tuesday, Oct 12, 2004 at 11:45
Darren,
The specs in the manual say Nissan LSD oil KL031-1400 or
SAE 140 API GL5 + 10% friction modifier.
Check in you vehicle handbook.
Rob
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Follow Up By: DARREN - Tuesday, Oct 12, 2004 at 12:03
Tuesday, Oct 12, 2004 at 12:03
Thanks for that Rob, feeling a bit better now
Phew......... just as
well I didn't heed the advice above and throw it away.
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Follow Up By: Member - AndrewPatrol - Tuesday, Oct 12, 2004 at 20:38
Tuesday, Oct 12, 2004 at 20:38
yeh but what % did he add?
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Reply By: Member - Andrew(WA) - Tuesday, Oct 12, 2004 at 12:26
Tuesday, Oct 12, 2004 at 12:26
Darren
My understanding of the diff grabbing is that it's a known issue with some GU's
I have a 3.0tdi Patrol and the 'grabbing' in the diff was so noticable that it caused a shudder around round a bouts and alike.
It was most prevelant just before my 40,000k service. Obviously I discussed this with the dealer who explained it was a known issue and they fixed it by using a Nissan approved additive. I don't know what the name of the additive is. Apparently this fixes most but if not, Nissan replaces the diff in extreme cases but only up to 40,000k's, apparently!
Anyway, It seemed to fix
mine. Now done 65,000k's diff OK but haven't done any extreme off road stuff to test it.
I am told it's just the clutch plate tolerances in the diff are little too tight. If I had my way I would have had the diff replaced but what do recon the chances of that are? Getting anything out of Nissan is just a joke. They don't seem to worried about your initial outlay of 50 grand + or customer service. They just want your money.
While I haven't had any real issues that have 'stopped' my car, little things and having to argue a point every time I have an issue has convinced me never to give Nissan my money again. Not that another manufacturer with be any different but I'll give them the chance to prove me wrong. CUSTOMER SERVICE...what happened to it? where do you get it?
Sorry, got off the track there! Anyway Try Nissan customer support and see what they say. You should have an answer by the time your knocking on the door of your 100,000km service or the year 2007, which ever comes first.
Good luck.
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Follow Up By: Bjorn - Tuesday, Oct 12, 2004 at 13:59
Tuesday, Oct 12, 2004 at 13:59
What you have here is an LSD that thinks its a locker. Is this what many Toyota drivers wish they had instead of their slippery slip diffs?
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