Running costs for Prado - diesel vs petrol.
Submitted: Tuesday, Oct 12, 2004 at 16:45
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Bjorn
Has anyone done any research for the average medium term running costs of these two? Or has anyone owned both for a comparison? I'm thinking fuel, servicing and wear and tear items - not engine rebuilds etc, as I'm looking at new or newish vehicle in gx MANUAL. Is insurance and rego the same? (yes, i'm asking here first).
My first feeling was go the diesel, but i need to look at all the info. That v6 seems an incredibly grunty package. Too good to be true, or is it 40% thirstier in the real world?
Reply By: GO_OFFROAD - Tuesday, Oct 12, 2004 at 16:59
Tuesday, Oct 12, 2004 at 16:59
The V6 will work out cheaper in the long run than the diesel, and be much nicer to drive.
try joining the www.lcool.org 120 series or 90 series prado email lists for some good info from owners.
this link may also help with some info.
fuel simpson trip
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Follow Up By: Bjorn - Tuesday, Oct 12, 2004 at 17:17
Tuesday, Oct 12, 2004 at 17:17
the figures at that site suggest prados were thirstier than the big cruisers???
they also suggest that the most economical PETROL prado used 30% more fuel than the most economical DIESEL prado.
did the prado drivers do massive detours on this trip or do they have heavy right feet?
more confused than before!
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Follow Up By: GO_OFFROAD - Tuesday, Oct 12, 2004 at 17:22
Tuesday, Oct 12, 2004 at 17:22
the 78 series had a intercooler and unichip, and he was trying to geta cross on one
tank, which he did.
2 of the prado's had dtronics, and they also had many goes at big red, and interestingly, not 1 of the 100 series made it up big red on the trip either.
The 2 with 30% you mention were auto V6 and manual diesel also.
Like i said, go to www.lcool.org, and speak with some owners, but it will soon become apparent which is the cheaper to run, though not alot in it, and the V6 just drives so much better.
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Follow Up By: Member - Jimbo (VIC) - Tuesday, Oct 12, 2004 at 18:32
Tuesday, Oct 12, 2004 at 18:32
Agree with G_O.
Overall a Petrol is cheaper; cheaper to buy hence less interest, cheaper to service, petrol fuel is around 10% cheaper than diesel fuel.
You need to add up all the costs, not just fuel economy.
As Darren said, drive them and see what you prefer. I think you'll find the performance of the petrol very attractive.
There are of course those who swear by the ability of diesels off road, low down torque, engine braking, availability of fuel in REMOTE areas etc.
Depending on where you do most of your driving it is a personal decision. The reality is most of us do 90% plus on road. My vehicle is a petrol 3.5L V6, similar size and power to the Prado. Great in traffic,0 -100 km/h in 10.5 seconds, great overtaking ability etc.
As I said it's a personal choice.
Cheers,
Jim.
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Follow Up By: Member - Ivan (ACT) - Tuesday, Oct 12, 2004 at 20:30
Tuesday, Oct 12, 2004 at 20:30
Hi Bjorn,
Mine will be the petrol Auto 90 series mentioned by G_O - a couple of reasons:
1. Solid right foot - I had fun ;-)
2. Wife and three kids, a sh*t load of grog etc - I'd hate to think what my weight was
3. Most of the 100 series (though it might not make that much diff), carried less people and less gear than I had
Out of interest:
- made it from
Birdsville to
Oodnadatta without additional fuel over and above the standard fill(carried but not required)
- around town I get 15l per 100km, and up to 20l per 100 if I'm loaded up for a trip (I think it's the wind resistance caused by the high roofrack load )
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Reply By: Member - Jeff M (WA) - Tuesday, Oct 12, 2004 at 18:58
Tuesday, Oct 12, 2004 at 18:58
Yes diesel costs more than regular ULP per litire. Most of the petrol 4wd owners I know end up going for BP Ultimate 98 high octaine fuel which is the same price if not more expensive than most diesel.
Diesel's do use less fuel per litire than equivlent petrols.
Diesel's MUST be serviced every 5000k's for longivity.
Petrol's SHOULD be serviced every 5000k's for longivity
But I don't drive a diesel because I think I'm saving $5 a week in fuel I drive them because I love them.
I've had petrol 4wd's prior to my last two diesels and can't see myself going back. They drive very
well now days (these new fandangle diesels) and still give you the benifits of fuel avialibity, fuel economy and that low down grunt you just don't get out of most petrols. Overtaking and climbing
sand dunes are a pleasure with a modern day diesel and driving around town with an auto diesel is not different to driving a petrol.
Idling over rough terrain in low range with an auto diesel is awsome, just somthing you have to experience to appricaite.
Water crossings, mud and sand are where they excel.
But enough of my dribbling, now it's time for some other comments and for you to make your decision.
Sure there are benifits both ways, I just saw a few people said some commonts on pro petrol, thought I'd offer something from the other side.
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Follow Up By: theshadows - Tuesday, Oct 12, 2004 at 19:30
Tuesday, Oct 12, 2004 at 19:30
5000 kms ill speak to holden they only want to do 15000 kms for
services........for the petrol. mind you my terrano every 10000 will do me.
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Follow Up By: Brew69(SA) - Tuesday, Oct 12, 2004 at 20:25
Tuesday, Oct 12, 2004 at 20:25
Interesting thought about 5000km intervals for petrol. Changed
mine in the GQ on the weekend after 11500kms and oil still looked very clean.
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Follow Up By: Member - Jeff M (WA) - Wednesday, Oct 13, 2004 at 10:49
Wednesday, Oct 13, 2004 at 10:49
Brew69 glad your GQ is running
well, I always changed my petrols at 5000k's, and I know plenty who do. It's not just how clean your oil is when your talking petrols but also how much the oils has brocken down and it's effectivness to lubricate. Is you are using a synthetic then sure you could probally hang off a little longer as long as you are not subjecting your 4wd to dust,
water and mud. Personally my 4wd cops a lot of dust
water and mud, salty air etc therefore I find it prudent to keep my changes short and regular.
It's a personal choice, IMHO if it were my car I'd being doing it every 5k petrol or diesel, who cares about the minimal cost of the oil and filter, takes you 15 mins to do it yourself.
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Follow Up By: Member - Jeff M (WA) - Wednesday, Oct 13, 2004 at 10:50
Wednesday, Oct 13, 2004 at 10:50
Theshadows, Holden would know best, it's not like they have a vested interest in selling engine parts or new cars....
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Reply By: Bjorn - Tuesday, Oct 12, 2004 at 19:12
Tuesday, Oct 12, 2004 at 19:12
from my own research, the v6 prado may chew similar juice to a falcon (which is a bit of a pig on fuel...for a car) but not too bad for a little truck. i would be interested in owner's figures. also, are service 10, 15 or 20 k intervals?
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Follow Up By: Uppy - Member - Tuesday, Oct 12, 2004 at 20:04
Tuesday, Oct 12, 2004 at 20:04
Hi Bjorn,Ive got a 4.2 efi patrol ,I get it service every 10,000 kms at a cost of around $160 if it needs spark plugs,$30 less if it doesnt.Petrols are also great off road go anywhere a deisel will go,good luck with what you decide
regards uppy
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Reply By: Phil G - Tuesday, Oct 12, 2004 at 20:17
Tuesday, Oct 12, 2004 at 20:17
Bjorn,
Just to add a little...
The current Prado diesel is a great motor, but becoming a little dated, and will be replaced in the next 12 months by a common rail TD.
The current V6 Prado is state of the art, and is now sorted out.
Running costs are line ball.
I own a Prado diesel because of its exceptional range offroad, on long desert trips and the safety issues which favour diesel. Also, the motor is
well sorted and proven. Resale is exceptional.
If I wanted a Prado for offroading, I'd get the 2000-2002 model 90series Turbo diesel.
If I wanted a new 120series, and used it for less offroad, its hard to go past the V6.
Cheers
Phil
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Reply By: ledastray - Tuesday, Oct 12, 2004 at 22:30
Tuesday, Oct 12, 2004 at 22:30
Bjorn, looking at the prado's myself, new car price the deisel is $200 cheaper than the petrol which means there is only the servicing prices to compare, but for
mine go the deisel
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Reply By: Tim - Tuesday, Oct 12, 2004 at 22:49
Tuesday, Oct 12, 2004 at 22:49
Bjorn
I have a 01 TD prado and can tell you;
Some insurers won't like the "turbo" bit in the name even though its a diesel.
I believe rego is based on weight
and my diesel uses around 11.5L/100 on average (mixture of short and long trips).
With the roof cage it goes to around 13L/100.
Tim
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Follow Up By: Member - Jeff M (WA) - Wednesday, Oct 13, 2004 at 10:53
Wednesday, Oct 13, 2004 at 10:53
Tim you sure about that, I've had two turbo diesels now and insurance has never been an issue, turbo or not, not only that but my current turbo diesel is also a japanese import and I was expecting a hell of a fight and they just shrugged their shoulders and said "it's not like your going to be drag racing, and the surfs are more popular than some australian models, so parts aren't an issue".
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Follow Up By: Phil G - Wednesday, Oct 13, 2004 at 12:35
Wednesday, Oct 13, 2004 at 12:35
Tim,
I had a similar issue with AAMI who wanted an "older than 25yrs" restriction because of the turbo.
I explained the situation to them, and how gutless diesels really are and they waived the restriction.
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Reply By: Member - Ivan (ACT) - Wednesday, Oct 13, 2004 at 19:39
Wednesday, Oct 13, 2004 at 19:39
This link is worth a look - explains a bit why performance isn't seen straight away (for the Prado anyway)
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