Battery minimum voltage without damage
Submitted: Tuesday, Oct 12, 2004 at 17:23
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Member - Alan S (NSW)
Hi, Can anyone tell me the minimum voltage I can drain a Cranking Battery to without damaging it and why?
I am looking at installing a low voltage cut off for my second battery but am not sure what to set it to,
Thanks
Reply By: Member - Jimbo (VIC) - Tuesday, Oct 12, 2004 at 18:18
Tuesday, Oct 12, 2004 at 18:18
Al,
Have a look at this site.
http://www.windsun.com/Batteries/Battery_FAQ.htm#AGM,%20or%20Absorbed%20Glass%20Mat%20Batteries
The accepted practice is to drain as little as possible out of it to extend its life. Apparently going below 50% (12.06 volts) regularly will stuff the battery quickly.
Cheers,
Jim.
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Follow Up By: Member - Alan S (NSW) - Wednesday, Oct 13, 2004 at 08:04
Wednesday, Oct 13, 2004 at 08:04
Hi Jim,
Thanks for that, lots of useful information there.
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Follow Up By: Member - Jimbo (VIC) - Wednesday, Oct 13, 2004 at 21:59
Wednesday, Oct 13, 2004 at 21:59
Great site isn't it.
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Reply By: Peter 2 - Tuesday, Oct 12, 2004 at 19:03
Tuesday, Oct 12, 2004 at 19:03
Most of the available battery cutoff's kick in at around 11 volts or just below.
Most of the ones' in portable frigs operate at about that.
Operating any appliance below recommended voltage doesn't do it any good especially motors and refrigeration compressors, never mind the loss of efficiency.
Any battery is degraded every time you flatten it below a certain point.
Deep Cycle batteries supposedly handle deep discharge better than a cranking battery. Gel cells definately do.
Having had dual battery systems in 4wd's for over 25 years I'd suggest that lead/acid deep cycle batteries for the average 4wder are a waste of money, better to go with cranking batteries. If you want to spend the money you can't go past Sonneschein gel cells for aux batteries, I usually get a 10 year life out of them.
If going for cranking batteries the Korean ones are as good as any and have a 2 year replacement warranty. Which as yet I haven't had to use in over 10 years of using them.
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Follow Up By: Member - Alan S (NSW) - Wednesday, Oct 13, 2004 at 08:07
Wednesday, Oct 13, 2004 at 08:07
Hi Peter,
You said" Any battery is degraded every time you flatten it below a certain point". That's exactly what I am trying to figure out. I have just installed a dual battery system using a cranking battery as a second battery. Trying trying to find out what I can safely dischage the battery to.
Thanks,
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Follow Up By: Peter 2 - Wednesday, Oct 13, 2004 at 17:57
Wednesday, Oct 13, 2004 at 17:57
What I've always done is run the frig if stationary for a few days until it won't run due to its cutout detecting low volts (usually around 11 volts)and that is effectively the limit. Doing this to a battery regularly will degrade it a minor amount each time but you will still get a reasonable life out of it. I've never noticed any lesser life from batteries that I've done it to over the years.
What kills them is flattening them completely, which if your frig doesn't have a low voltage cutout will kill it too.
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Reply By: Phil G - Tuesday, Oct 12, 2004 at 20:04
Tuesday, Oct 12, 2004 at 20:04
I also run a low voltage cutout (Jaycar kit) which can be adjusted foir any voltage I like. I set it at about 11.9 volts. If it cuts in, the voltage at the battery is usually about 12.1 volts because the cutout is located near the fridge and there is a small voltage drop in the 8g wire to the fridge.
I use a cranking battery as my second battery and it lasts longer than any "deep cycle" I've used in the past, recharges more quickly and is relatively cheap to purchase. I have no reason to change from twin cranking batteries - I'm using the vehicle every day, so the cranking battery is always getting recharged, and the new engels are very economical on power.
Cheers
Phil
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Follow Up By: Wok - Wednesday, Oct 13, 2004 at 05:53
Wednesday, Oct 13, 2004 at 05:53
Phil.
Which Jaycar kit please?
Thanks
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Follow Up By: Phil G - Wednesday, Oct 13, 2004 at 12:30
Wednesday, Oct 13, 2004 at 12:30
Wok,
Theres two kits available.
I currently use the newer Jaycar kit which uses transistors instead of a relay and costs about $40. It only draws about 8 milliamps.
I used to use the older relay kit, which was also adjustable, and worked fine. Drew about 30 milliamps, and is still available at Dick Smiths.
Both were easy to build with some elementary electrical and soldering skills.
Other option is to buy a ready made one - Projecta have a "sure start" thing that's set at about 11.9V and available at KMart and auto shops for about $30. Theres also lots of others available ready made.
Cheesr
Phil
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Follow Up By: Gajm (VIC) - Wednesday, Oct 13, 2004 at 15:41
Wednesday, Oct 13, 2004 at 15:41
The Projecta "Over discharge battery protector" which is the plug in ciggarette end type, cut off at 11.2 volts.
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Follow Up By: Member - Jimbo (VIC) - Wednesday, Oct 13, 2004 at 21:58
Wednesday, Oct 13, 2004 at 21:58
Gajm,
11.2 volts would suggest less than 10% charge.
That will root your battery in no time flat.
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Follow Up By: Gajm (VIC) - Thursday, Oct 14, 2004 at 11:32
Thursday, Oct 14, 2004 at 11:32
Thanks Jimbo, I can't afford to be throwing batteries away early.
I will look at the kits instead.....I actualy thought it was cutting off around 11.8 for some reason, and this thread is what made me go out and check it.
Without the warning I would have still figured it was doing it's job and kept using it
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