Dtronic? Does it overstress the engine?

Submitted: Friday, Oct 15, 2004 at 14:07
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I been reading about this Safari Dtronic for the Patrol 3.0TD. It looks impressive as it gives consideable improvement over the whole rev range. Power goes up (15%) from 116kw at just over 3500revs to a broader 133kw centred around the same revs. Torque has also jumped (19%) from 354Nm at 2000rpm to 420Nm, with 380Nm being available from just off idle at 1500rpm right through to 3000rpm.

They also state that they get at least 5% better economy and can prolong clutch life by allowing the driver to let the clutch out earlier and then accelerate afterwards.

Does this mean that the engine will be overstressed with this chip installed???
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Reply By: GO_OFFROAD - Friday, Oct 15, 2004 at 14:21

Friday, Oct 15, 2004 at 14:21
What the dtronic does is tune the engine around the euro emissions that the engine is made to abide by, that we dont have in this country.

Given the exhaust runs cleaner, it uses less fuel, and requires less throttle to do the same thing when it makes more power, stressing the engine is more a driver, and how its driven issue .
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Follow Up By: Bob H - Friday, Oct 15, 2004 at 14:32

Friday, Oct 15, 2004 at 14:32
soo.....the question begs to be asked....

if the engine is made to run more efficiantly by nissan, than why the blue blazes do nissan detune the engine for us???????

Bob
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Follow Up By: GO_OFFROAD - Friday, Oct 15, 2004 at 14:42

Friday, Oct 15, 2004 at 14:42
What you need to understand first is, the engine is tuned to suit emissions laws first, not power first, so this means we get engines which run very lean down low to fit into emissions laws, then richen once over 2500 odd rpm, over rich even, to compensate for the low down lean out, and this is where an economy improvement can come from with something such as a dtronic, the rest of the economy improvement normally comes from not having to use as much right pedal to do the same thing once the engine makes more power.

Now most of our 4wd diesel engines are made to meet Euro 3 emissions, which we dont have here, but because Aus is such a small dot on most manufacturers radars as far as sales go, we get what they send us, so we dont always get our own Aus tune version etc.

This is where dtronic helps improve performance and economy when not needing to meet emissions laws.

There is a long, but good article here on the subject

diesel performance chips etc

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Follow Up By: Member - Chris M (QLD) - Friday, Oct 15, 2004 at 14:48

Friday, Oct 15, 2004 at 14:48
The 4.2TDI's are run fuel rich the whole way...When the powerup was done to my truck, the actually leaned it back somewhat even though boost was up.
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Reply By: A Digger - Friday, Oct 15, 2004 at 14:37

Friday, Oct 15, 2004 at 14:37
The improvement in all aspects of performance after a Dtronic is fitted is very, very noticeable. It is particularly so when towing, heavy offroad work or both.

It really is as good as it is claimed to be. I have noticed no improvement in economy but who cares when you get the substantial performance improvement.

If you have $1400 ish it will be the best $$ you could spend on your vehicle. 5 mins to install or remove.

Digger
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Follow Up By: GO_OFFROAD - Friday, Oct 15, 2004 at 14:43

Friday, Oct 15, 2004 at 14:43
It is also, for $1400 odd dollars one of the best acessories you will add to the car, because you get to use, and enjoy it every time you drive it.
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Reply By: Member - Chris M (QLD) - Friday, Oct 15, 2004 at 14:44

Friday, Oct 15, 2004 at 14:44
Gday John,

Remember those figures quoted are at the flywheel, like every quotation, they are also inflated.

As for clutch longevity etc, it all depends on the driver. My next door neighbours clutch will last alot longer than mine as he drives his for only highway, whereas alot of mine is city. Depends on driver, style, city or highway, towing etc etc.

Cheers

Chris.
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Follow Up By: GO_OFFROAD - Saturday, Oct 16, 2004 at 07:08

Saturday, Oct 16, 2004 at 07:08
Interesting concept Chris,
"Remember those figures quoted are at the flywheel, like every quotation, they are also inflated. "

Is this your opinion, or do you have data to back up this claim?
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Follow Up By: Member - Chris M (QLD) - Monday, Oct 18, 2004 at 08:41

Monday, Oct 18, 2004 at 08:41
Absolutely my opinion. But go and drive a TD6 and I guarantee they do not have 114 kw at the flywheel. Actually, is also backed up by pre dyno report before powerup.
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Follow Up By: GO_OFFROAD - Monday, Oct 18, 2004 at 08:55

Monday, Oct 18, 2004 at 08:55
Ok,
your first statement seemed to be more a dig at the dtronics claim of power output, not the vehicle manufacturer itself.
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Follow Up By: Member - Chris M (QLD) - Monday, Oct 18, 2004 at 09:02

Monday, Oct 18, 2004 at 09:02
Nope, just Nissans inflated power ratings ie. 114 or 116kw. Same with the old 4.2 TD42's in the GQ's as well.
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Reply By: Rosco - Bris. - Friday, Oct 15, 2004 at 15:06

Friday, Oct 15, 2004 at 15:06
I for one have thought long and hard about this little item. The only thing holding me back is the possibility of warranty issues arising. I understand they can be removed but no one has been able to convince me the plug in 'puter at the stealers won't be able to check back into memory.

At the end of the day, if you have a prob, let's face it, regardless of make if they can weasel out of a claim they will.

Once out of warranty I would seriously consider one.

Cheers
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Follow Up By: Peter McGuckian - Friday, Oct 15, 2004 at 16:59

Friday, Oct 15, 2004 at 16:59
I wouldn't worry about the dealers. I've loaned my chip to my local dealer to try out and they too are impressed. They've also had warranty cliams on motors with chips that Nissan have honoured.

Great piece of gear that makes sooooo much improvement.

Peter
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Follow Up By: GO_OFFROAD - Saturday, Oct 16, 2004 at 07:07

Saturday, Oct 16, 2004 at 07:07
They cant detect it even when its fitted with diagnostic gear, and by looking to see if it has one is the only way they will know, if you dont spend 10 minutes removing it first.
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Reply By: GUPatrol - Friday, Oct 15, 2004 at 15:12

Friday, Oct 15, 2004 at 15:12
Read this article, it explains most of what you want to know:
http://www.bankspower.com/Tech_whyegt.cfm
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