Battery Pack
Submitted: Saturday, Oct 16, 2004 at 17:12
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Larry01
Hi All, I am chasing some feedback regarding battery packs to run a fridge. I suppose the most popular is the Waceo packs. I will be running a 60L Waceo on fridge setting 2 or 3 depending on conditions.I am wondering how long say a Thumper would last and how long it would take to recharge using the socket in the back of the crusier. Any info or suggestions would be fantastic
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Reply By: Lone Wolf - Saturday, Oct 16, 2004 at 17:22
Saturday, Oct 16, 2004 at 17:22
Thumper is from memory 48 Ah. fridge will draw roughly 3 Amps @ hour @ 17% - 33 %.
Probably get 24 hours. Charging from the rear plug is slow. You can buy a fast charge kit,
well worth the money.
To give you an example, I run an Outback, and a 100 Ah Deep Cycle as second & third batteries.
The Outback charges thru the Cigar Lighter, and gets only a couple of amps an hour, whereby the Deep Cycle through the Anderson Plug, gets a whopping 35 Amps an hour!
I am sure the Thumper will be good, as long as you can get a good fast charge in it next day.
I am not an electrician, I just like to play, and this is what works for me. I run 2 extra batteries because I use a CPAP each night, as
well as my Waeco 35, and a couple of fluro's.
Cheers
Wolfie
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Follow Up By: Earvin Johnson - Saturday, Oct 16, 2004 at 18:21
Saturday, Oct 16, 2004 at 18:21
Wolfie,
Please excuse my ignorance, but what exactly is a CPAP? It sounds impressive whatever is.
Cheers
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Follow Up By: cokeaddict - Saturday, Oct 16, 2004 at 18:34
Saturday, Oct 16, 2004 at 18:34
Hey Wolfie, interesting sight mate. Enjoyed the read. I am still comming to terms with your "Bedourie" gismo, but I think i got it worked out. Looks impressive though. Was wondering .... looking at the pic of the LPG bottle sitting under the Pot, Im surprised the heat doent transfer down the brass fitting and get too hot. Those bloody bottles always worry me. Especially after witnessing one explode a few years ago. Damn loud i can tell you.
Would you send me your email addy please, I may have a job you can quote me on. You know how to use those
tools in that workshop boy...lol Just kidding mate . hope to hear from you soon ok
cheers Angelo
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Follow Up By: Lone Wolf - Saturday, Oct 16, 2004 at 20:12
Saturday, Oct 16, 2004 at 20:12
Earvin.........
CPAP = Continuous Positive Airway Pressure.
I suffer with sleep apnea, so I have to wear a mask connected to a small blower unit, when I go to sleep. No big deal, most people simply don't like to talk about it, I don't care, it's just what happens to some people as we get older..............
That's the basic version.
Angelo.....
Email addy is on my front page, where it says "Write To Wolfie" in blue hypertext.
Cheers
Wolfie
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Follow Up By: Earvin Johnson - Sunday, Oct 17, 2004 at 17:19
Sunday, Oct 17, 2004 at 17:19
Thanks Wolfie for explaining that. There seems to be alot more people using those devices these days. It's great to see the need for the CPAP does not place too many limits on where you can go
camping.
Cheers
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Follow Up By: Lone Wolf - Sunday, Oct 17, 2004 at 18:16
Sunday, Oct 17, 2004 at 18:16
No limits at all Earvin.
I use a swag, and inside it I place my Blue Apple Outback, small inverter & CPAP. It all sits on my Right hand side, with plenty of room for me to move. The swag is 900 mm. wide.
I've done quite a few nights in succession, and have had no problems.
Cheers
Wolfie
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Reply By: Member - Jimbo (VIC) - Saturday, Oct 16, 2004 at 20:28
Saturday, Oct 16, 2004 at 20:28
Larry,
The Waeco Thumper is only a 48 amp job, which at $500 is not real good value. The quality of the battery enclosed in it is undetermined. Keep in mind you shouldn't dischage a battery below 50% if you want to prolong its life. Effectively the Thumper has an effective 24 amps. Won't run a fridge and your accessories for 24 hours. Your fridge will average more than 1 amp/hour, thus overworking the Thumper.
Below is a copy of my contribution to post 15195. I reckon it's the way to go.
"I've got a great setup. It was installed by Chris at Battery World, Wantirna, Vic. He put a smart solenoid under the bonnet, ran 140 amp cable along the chassis and popped it back into the car attached to an Anderson plug. He then put a 100 amp Lifeline "AGM" battery into a battery box. The battery box has cable running out of it to another Anderson plug so the battery can be removed when not needed or to be used as a mobile power supply. Inside the box he fitted a circuit breaker and two female waeco plugs to the box. He also added a three way cig socket plug with a male Waeco plug on the end to give me three power outlets if needed. The other female plug on the box is used to power my fridge, an Engel which I got him to fit a Waeco plug to as they clip in and stay in. Total cost $700.
AGM batteries have the advantage that they are completely sealed and will accept an extremely high recharge rate, basically whatever you can throw at them. A normal deep cycle will only take about 5 amps, so takes a lot of driving to get them back to full. AGM's of this size are reported to fully charge from near flat in 2-3 hours. "
I have since tested the AGM batt and found it takes around 1 amp per minute from the alternator. That is to say, suck 40 amps out of it and it will be fully charged with 40 minutes of driving.
Hope this helps,
Cheers,
Jim.
The other big advantage is the portability. Went away two weeks ago to some unpowered cabins up the bush and was able to take the battery into the cabin to power the fridge, lights and laptop to fiddle with my photography.
I can't speak highly enough of the setup."
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Follow Up By: Member - Moggs - Sunday, Oct 17, 2004 at 07:27
Sunday, Oct 17, 2004 at 07:27
Jimbo, yes you have the ideal set up - both from simplicity and cost effectiveness.
However you are wrong about the Thumper and it is a little misleading. The Thumper has a true 48AH useable capacity - which I was dubious about to start with - but has proven to be true. My Thumper runs my Waeco CF50 for 2 days and a versalite for 2 nights without any problems at all. It will generally go longer than that if the fridge is full, opened infrequently and also on 2 lights.
BTW, I discharge the Thumper fully all the time- and it is still going strong after 4 years. Don't want to cause any drama but that is the experience of someone who acually uses one, not salesman info from Battery World :)
BTW, when it comes time to replace my Thumper (which has worked exceptionally
well - as it should for the price) I will be printing out your post and visiting Battery World at Wantirna - so thanks for the info.
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Follow Up By: Member - Jimbo (VIC) - Sunday, Oct 17, 2004 at 08:25
Sunday, Oct 17, 2004 at 08:25
Good information Moggs.
To be fair to the bloke at Battery World, he didn't warn me off the Thumper, it was what I understood ot be the case (he actually sells them). Clearly I was not right.
As always hearing first hand accounts of actual experience is the beat feedback. Four years of that type of treatment means it is a better product than I ever thought it to be.
Cheers,
Jim.
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Follow Up By: Member - Moggs - Sunday, Oct 17, 2004 at 08:53
Sunday, Oct 17, 2004 at 08:53
Sorry Jim, I shouldn't have assumed the salesman at Battery World bit.
To be honest, I have been surprised at how
well the Thumper has held up and the length of service it has given. I put it down to using the thing regularly.
I do reckon though that you did the smart thing when you got your set up - the Thumper is not good value for money at all - as I've said before, it is a "lazy man" second battery solution.
BTW, enjoy
Robe - I'm jealous of you guys heading off for some fun in the sun. Maybe we can get together for a Gembrook drive when you get back - been itching to go back (preferrably without so much rain in the week prior)
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Follow Up By: Member - Jimbo (VIC) - Sunday, Oct 17, 2004 at 10:05
Sunday, Oct 17, 2004 at 10:05
Moggs,
Gembrook, I'll be there with bells on.
Thinking maybe Sat 6/11?
Cheers,
Jim
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Reply By: bob - Sunday, Oct 17, 2004 at 10:14
Sunday, Oct 17, 2004 at 10:14
Larry,
If you are after the the ease of a ready made battery pack, blue apple make them in 24 - 105 amp capacity. They have done away with the 48 amp thumper and made it into a 60 amp model. ( same weight, size, looks) rrp $699. I was aware that blue apple is the company that makes the waeco battery packs. (
well according to the salesman). Can also charged at 20 amps with the heavy duty car charging kit. ( 10 amp standard).
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Reply By: Flash - Sunday, Oct 17, 2004 at 10:45
Sunday, Oct 17, 2004 at 10:45
Have just done an extended trip with a mate running his Waeco from a thumper and the results were very ordinary. Yes he fully flattened it till the fridge would not run on a number of occasions. And yes it was each time fully charged using a smart charger running from my generator. For FAR LESS money he could have used a conventional deep cycle battery and gone far longer between charges.
The value is simply not there, convenience.....maybe......value- no way!
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